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Worrals in the wilds 7th Aug 2014 23:47

Don't forget that Rudd and Hockey ran their own variety show on Sunrise for years...:hmm:
And yes, Brandis did himself no favours; he would have done better by bringing a departmental nerd along to the interview and letting said nerd do the talking. I actually thought that C Pyne's recent interview on women's education (nursing or teaching, ladies! Take your pick :yuk:) was much more irritating than the Brandis balls up, but unfortunately he's been upstaged.

Solid Rust Twotter 8th Aug 2014 07:04


Every 'reality' show (the only reality is how scripted they are, and I know this because I know crew on these shows) assumes that we are morons.

And in the majority of cases they wouldn't be too far off the mark, IMO.

Ethel the Aardvark 8th Aug 2014 08:01

You are only as strong as your weakest link, Brandis and now Abbetz are just doozies.
I think it is turn for Turnbull to have a go at the helm, I don't think he would roll over and act like the current US lap dog Blabbott!

Andu 8th Aug 2014 09:03

Ethel, here's a free tip you might like to run by your GetUp!/ALP focus groups. The louder you cry for Tony Abbott to be shunted aside, the more it reinforces the opinions of those on the other side of politics to your employers that he's getting it largely right.

If you really want to succeed in getting the Libs to dump Tony Abbott, start telling the world that you think he's getting it all right. Two weeks after you start using that strategy, the Libs will dump him like the proverbial hot potato.

I think I'm not alone on the conservative side of politics in feeling that Tony Abbott is as much a disappointment as he has been a success. Disappointing because he continues to prevaricate and has not acted decisively in a half dozen areas that are crying out to be acted upon decisively.

Listing just some of them:
- electoral reform (a major overhaul required here, starting with computerised rolls and photo ID when voting to prevent multiple voting)
- the ABC (no explanation required)
- cleaning out the overly politicized senior ranks in the public service
- deporting without delay the many thousands of immigrants who have come here under false pretences over the last seven years. The recently released information - three years old!* about the corrupt female Indian immigration officer now living openly in India with the 3 million dollars she scammed from would-be immigrants she provided with falsified visas is just the tip of a very large iceberg.

(*Why was it not released earlier, like when the Labor government was in power - when it was first revealed???)

I'm sure others could list as many more areas they feel Tony Abbott needs to address PDQ.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Aug 2014 09:36

I think Abbott's doing great :E;). Up in Queensland, rumours are circling that LNP Premier Campbell Newman may get rolled by his own party; rumours that have struck fear in the hearts of local Labor types, who risk losing their best selling point. :suspect::} Seriously, I find Abbott much less irritating than his ministers. Nor do I mind J Bishop, though B Bishop makes my primary school nuns seem positively benign :uhoh:. Pyne's latest announcement that increased university fees won't impact negatively on women, because women study nursing and teaching rather than law and dentistry (notwithstanding the fact that three of the seven current High Court judges are female) has made a lot of extra work for my TV/PC nerf ball. :*


- electoral reform (a major overhaul required here, starting with computerised rolls and photo ID when voting to prevent multiple voting)
I'd start with reforming the Senate voting system, but neither major party is very keen on that. As for computerised rolls, if it worked as well as most other government computer systems we'd end up having to delay the election for a month while some contract boffin on $100 an hour reinstalled the whole thing using a pile of floppy disks. Or they'd buy a cut price system from China and we'd find that we'd all been reclassified as Serfs. :} ID requirements were instigated for the last state bye election in Stafford, but it didn't help the Libs :ouch:. However, Stafford is a relatively wealthy, inner city seat. How ID requirements will work in disadvantaged and/or rural areas remains to be seen. Holding photo ID is not mandatory, but it is mandatory to vote. I worry about disenfranchising people simply because they don't have a driver's licence or rate notice, neither of which are legal requirements. Personally I quite like the Indian finger dye system; simple yet effective :cool:, and we could readily identify all the slugs who can't be bothered to get out of bed and vote.


- cleaning out the overly politicised senior ranks in the public service
As a former APS inmate (under Howard's government) I don't think political types are the main problem; yes-people and grovellers do far more damage. The senior public service is populated with people who succeeded within the APS by being expedient. Not politically expedient (that would imply that they had some personal principles :hmm:) but simply expedient. People who will do and say anything (or worse, refrain from doing or saying anything) to get promoted, even if it's bad for the department and completely against its aims and objectives. IME, anyone who joins the APS with an ounce of integrity, passion and enthusiasm gets minced by the expedient types, until they either 1. become bitter, twisted and de motivated, 2. have a change of faith and become expedient themselves or 3. leave. This results in a public service comprised of a moribund collection of cynics and lazy people, led by a motley crew of aspirational and largely incompetent wannabes who'd cheerfully microwave kittens if they thought it would get them a promotion. :uhoh:

- deporting without delay the many thousands of immigrants who have come here under false pretences over the last seven years.
Include all the British and Irish tourist visa overstayers who turned up for three months and then oozed into the background, and you'll get no argument from me. Likewise the Kiwis who made false declarations about their lack of criminal convictions on their initial entry. The system has more holes than a colander, and this is thanks to the aforementioned expedient senior public servants who knowingly allow this to continue.

SOPS 8th Aug 2014 11:26

I've just read about the corrupt Indians. Unbelievable that the were just allowed to hop on an aircraft and escape. What the hell is going on?

Andu 8th Aug 2014 11:42

And the crooked Indians were allowed to transfer a million dollars to their overseas account after the police raid and before they bolted.

Shades of Capt Emad - whose wife and daughters are still here occupying three separate government-supplied (make that taxpayer-supplied) houses.

Worrals, nice counter to my rant. Your comments about the Public Serfdom are spot on, or at least were when I was exposed to them quite a few years ago. But I remain convinced that Tony Abbott needs to start kicking selected butt and making some big changes to the status quo set in place by Labor.

I've been stuck at home today and listening to the ABC news, given the air time and priority he is given in every news bulletin, you could be forgiven for thinking that Bill Shorten is our Prime Minister. The ABC needs a major clean out.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Aug 2014 12:06

Or maybe we need a more newsworthy PM. :E
I've been stuck at home with the Ekka flu reading too many FB links that make me cross. Maybe we should swap news feeds, then we'd both be happier...:\ At least I have sick leave which is more than many Australians do. Otherwise I would have had to show up and infect everyone else, while being 100% unproductive. :sad: By modern standards I'm one of the 'lucky' ones; a permanent worker with entitlements such as sick and annual leave. One of the privileged...:(
Unemployment jumps to more than 10-year high


Unbelievable that the were just allowed to hop on an aircraft and escape. What the hell is going on?
OCP. Outwards compliance processing, though no doubt these days it's got a fancy new name. In short, unless you owe the Tax Office/Child Support a large amount of money, have been indicted for murder or stabbed someone in the passenger queue you're probably going to be allowed to leave Australia. Getting back in (without being carted off in chains) may be more problematic, but in the meantime if you're making a one way trip out you'll probably get away with it. Expedience all the way! :ooh:

So it was in Howard's time, and I have no doubt the situation is similar these days. Effective border control (particularly outward border control) costs more money than either the government or the electorate are willing to contribute. At least we still have outward border control; the British abolished it years ago, and castigated us for continuing it.

Whenever you hear the current government laud public service budget cuts, remember what services they are actually cutting. They will speak about rationalisation, efficiency and the like, but what they are really cutting is the backroom boys/girls who either sit at their computers or pull apart shipping containers and hunt down these cheats. They will be cutting staff from AUSTRAC, the ATO and the various border agencies. They will be cutting investigators and analysts who find these people. They won't dare to cut too many basic uniformed grunts from the front line, because we all notice that. The cuts will be from behind, and will ensure that more cheats and rogues escape justice. Then when these rogues do escape justice, they will duck for cover and blame the Opposition, the same as the Opposition did when they were in government.:ugh: They will piss and moan; cajole and whimper. However, what they will fail to do is adequately fund the border agencies so they can catch these cheats. It's cheaper for them to accept the system's failures and blame the other side for their own shortcomings.
These are the cuts they will claim that you voted for.

SOPS 8th Aug 2014 19:12

Well, isn't this a lovely bunch that have grown up in Australia. And I bet it's all been done on welfare. I could never understand it before, but I do now, how revolts happen and groups are persecuted.

Concerns Australians being recruited to militant group ISIS - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

500N 8th Aug 2014 19:25


OCP. Outwards compliance processing, though no doubt these days it's got a fancy new name. In short, unless you owe the Tax Office/Child Support a large amount of money, have been indicted for murder or stabbed someone in the passenger queue you're probably going to be allowed to leave Australia.
That still doesn't answer why a convicted terrorist, under 24 watch AND on airline watch lists can leave without being red flagged.

What IF he had decided to do something ?


They mouth off about stopping people going to Syria et al, yet one of the prime suspects for doing that is allowed to walk out.

Yet I know that they can red flag names on exit, entry or importing things so it can't be brain surgery.

SOPS 8th Aug 2014 19:35

500N....what about the idiots I linked to above? They have just been allowed to "walk out the door". They should have been jailed or deported ages ago. Or when they tried to get on a flight, no doubt bearded up, they should have been stopped and sent straight to Naru, ready for deportation.

Saltie 8th Aug 2014 21:10

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
 
ABC reports the Muslims threatening to boycott Fairfax media unless they re-instate Mike Carlton. If there was any doubt Carlton is pure poison, this news should dispel that doubt.

Worrals in the wilds 9th Aug 2014 03:46


That still doesn't answer why a convicted terrorist, under 24 watch AND on airline watch lists can leave without being red flagged.
Was he on a do not process order, or just a watch list?
And I agree that we should be very concerned about these militants. If they come back here after beheading children and so forth they'll be nothing but trouble.

Andu 9th Aug 2014 07:01

Worrals, I think you'll find that more than a few people who have to deal with our fellow Australians of Lebanese descent on a day to day basis would tell you that quite a few of them don't need to go to Syria to be nothing but trouble.

bosnich71 9th Aug 2014 10:31

No one has mentioned the article ref. Julia in today's Australian. I would have thought that most on here would have been all over it like a rash.

7x7 9th Aug 2014 10:40

Here it is bos.


Office of PM always warrants scrutiny
THE AUSTRALIAN AUGUST 09, 2014 12:00AM
Hedley Thomas
National Chief Correspondent
Brisbane

A FORMER top criminal defence lawyer and senior prosecutor has reviewed reams of evidence about the AWU slush fund scandal at the ongoing Royal Commission, resulting in his legal opinion that Julia Gillard has problems best resolved by a jury.

Russell Hanson, QC, who helped run several royal commission-style probes before his retirement, based his detailed review on sworn witness statements and oral testimony at the commission, as well as key documents including Ms Gillardís exit interview from the law firm Slater & Gordon in 1995.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...1227018506482#

SOPS 9th Aug 2014 10:45

Well now, isn't that interesting. Let's see where this goes.

500N 9th Aug 2014 10:50

bosnich

"No one has mentioned the article ref. Julia in today's Australian. I would have thought that most on here would have been all over it like a rash."

I went and looked, couldn't see it.

What is the title of the article ?

Can you provide a direct link please ?

Worrals in the wilds 9th Aug 2014 11:02

Has every former top silk in the country gotten a retirement job with News Corp :rolleyes::}? In Queensland we've had Tony Fitzgerald and Tony Morris slugging it out in the Courier, now here comes another one.
Maybe their investments are all down and they need to earn some extra pocket money. :}

From the accompanying editorial:

The Australian is not suggesting Gillard is guilty of any offence.However, as Hanson notes, there is enough evidence to suggest that the matter should now be properly considered by a court and a jury.
Agreed, rather than by the court of partisan print media who are in the business of selling newspapers to Tory Types. If the police decide to press the matter then good luck to them and again; that is their decision to make, not The Australian's.

The fact her role in this has not been considered formally by a court is alone a matter of concern and of itself raises important issues concerning government and politics in Australia.
If I were the Victorian Commissioner of Police I'd be pretty cranky about that comment. The Aus makes a fairly clear inference that the coppers were subject to political pressure and cowed accordingly. I'd like to see some actual proof of that, rather than simply taking the editor of The Australian's word for it :hmm: any more than I'd trust the word of the SMH's editor in chief wrt Tony Abbott.

Andu 9th Aug 2014 11:23


The Aus makes a fairly clear inference that the coppers were subject to political pressure and cowed accordingly.
Worrals, that's exactly what most people I mix with have been saying for two or three years now.

If Julia Gillard did not have some seriously damaging skeletons she is attempting to keep well and truly hidden in her closet in regard to her purchasing and renovating her Fitzroy home, her work for the AWU with the Kalgoorlie miners' orphans' and widows' missing funds (in excess of a million dollars) and the cleverly misnamed AWU slush fund, surely she would have demanded her day in court the moment these whispers became common knowledge? Common knowledge, that is - everywhere - except in the ABC and the MSM, who studiously and steadfastly ignored every one of these stories, stories, which, if there were around the political neck of a conservative politician, nor matter how thin the evidence, would have been on every front page and heading every evening television news for months on end.


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