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chuboy 19th Jun 2014 02:24


Originally Posted by Saltie (Post 8527142)
saying Tony Abbott is a lame duck PM because he won't go to an immediate election.

He is happy to declare to the media that he has a mandate from the populace to do whatever it is the Opposition is opposing on any particular day. What has he got to lose by going to an election? ;)

I don't think Tony is silly enough to call a double dissolution. But the trigger is there which could make for some interesting developments in the coming months.

Many months ago someone here posted saying they thought one of the good things Labor achieved in their term was pushing everyone far enough to the Right to vote for Tony and his crew. I am starting to suspect that this is not the case. Many plebs on the ground obediently voted "Rudd and his mob" out - now they have been reminded of what conservative government has to offer and don't like it. They don't care to hear that it's bitter medicine either (whether it is or not). And they certainly don't sit any further to the Right - next chance they get they will vote in different government.

It's more or less what's happening with the QLD State Govt, but on a Federal level and with 18 months time delay.

On another note, I see George Brandis is still bending to Rupert Murdoch's every snivelling whim, proposing these silly anti-piracy laws to protect the Foxtel nest-egg :rolleyes:

500N 19th Jun 2014 02:27

Chuboy

The only change I'd add is if the economy takes off and every is better off than they are now, then less likely to vote in Labor. But at the moment, they would vote in Labor.

Just my HO.

Andu 19th Jun 2014 04:18

I'm in NSW, and after sixteen years of Labor and then three years of 'Labor Lite' under Barry O'Farrell, I have to say that it felt like a breath of fresh air when the budget was announced a few days ago. The cynic in my reminds me that all the promises made in that budget have been made repeatedly before, so I'm ready to be disappointed (yet again) when all the promises turn out to just that - promises. But I couldn't help but feel that the adults are back in charge. I live in hope that this proves to be true and we don't get to see all the millions spent only on feasibility studies that never get beyond that.

BenThere 19th Jun 2014 04:35

Seems to me Australia is doing better under the current government, which certainly has my respect for its positions on global warming, immigration control, and its general sound conservative principles.

Would Australians really want to restore Rudd/Gillard?

bosnich71 19th Jun 2014 05:12

Chuboy .....
I would suggest that you log on to Michael Smith's blog and read up on the Royal Commission into unions that is at present taking place. Whilst I realise that this would entail you opening both eyes it would at least give a little more respect to your views on this blog if you actually entered into a debate with reference to the tactics used by both the unions and present members of the Labour Party shadow cabinet.
Could it be that you are part of the problem? Are you a Labour Party member, a union member perhaps ? If so do you find union bullying, branch stacking ,vilification of whistle blowers, misappropriation of members monies etc. etc. acceptable?

rh200 19th Jun 2014 05:33

The problem is the message is not getting through to the pundits.

The fact is if we had Labor and keep getting Labor, it was all going to fall in a heap. There is no doubt about that, Labor was just spending. It would have kept going until it ended up being that bad we would have to implement measures that even some of the left governments in Europe have had to implement. The point is we don't want to get to that point.

When Howard and his mob was in, we had outrage etc at the budgets, but then things got better.

The main message needing to get out was we where going to be really screwed if we kept going the way we where.

Pinky the pilot 19th Jun 2014 05:46


Would Australians really want to restore Rudd/Gillard?
Not this Australian! And I never voted for Labor then either.


Can we get a boat, put Burnside on it, and point it towards the South Pole? And put Milne and Two Dads with him for company.
What a lovely thought!:ok:

Takan Inchovit 19th Jun 2014 05:55


What a lovely thought!
.. and give them a ship load of heating oil and ask them if they wish to use it.:}

500N 19th Jun 2014 06:06

Takan

The thought of Milne and Two Dads and oil grosses me out !

Captain Sand Dune 19th Jun 2014 06:50


Difficult, (but not impossible), to believe a QC/SC can be so blindingly stupid.
One thing Julian Burnside is not is stupid.
Firstly, he is happy for the illegal immigrants to live in regional areas, so they’re not in his back yard.
Secondly, should an illegal immigrant not be deemed to be a bona fide refugee, guess what – they’re already in country and guess who will cheerfully offer to take the case to court? For a taxpayer funded fee of course.
Yep, a win-win situation for our Julian.

The fact is if we had Labor and keep getting Labor, it was all going to fall in a heap. There is no doubt about that, Labor was just spending. It would have kept going until it ended up being that bad we would have to implement measures that even some of the left governments in Europe have had to implement. The point is we don't want to get to that point.
Labor knew they would lose the election, hence they made promises they knew they didn’t have to keep and would have been impossible to fund. Clever tactic really.

Would Australians really want to restore Rudd/Gillard?
That would never have happened. But there’s lots of Australians with a very short attention span and an addiction to unfettered welfare that would vote in Shorten.

500N 19th Jun 2014 06:57

One thing I am glad is that they are not "in the community".

Very hard to get someone out once they taste the cushy life.

I didn't mind some of these remote centres but the cost of having
them in such remote areas is too high.

Still reckon offer them a few (5 ?) years at Woomera before processing
and see how many last as I reckon it would be the pits of a place to live
in a camp - very hot, very cold and nothing to look at but red dirt and stones !

SOPS 19th Jun 2014 07:12

And below is an example of the loonies that Burnside wants to welcome more of.


Sydney man Mohamed Elomar, believed to be fighting in the civil war in Syria, issues death threat against ISIS critic - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

500N 19th Jun 2014 07:18

I heard on the radio the Gov't has cancelled 150 passports and are looking at more, including cancelling visas and revoking citizenship :ok:

Some of these guys are going to get a nasty shock when they try to fly back to Aus.

They cancelled the Rebels MC Leaders visa and he is in Malta so can't come back. He has lived in Aus for 45 years :rolleyes:

7x7 19th Jun 2014 07:29

The government can't do a thing about revoking the citizenship of a citizen born here, as too many of these crazies will prove to have been.

They can cancel a passport, causing the returning citizen a bit of a delay in his travel plans while he gets a new passport, but wait for the first claim for compensation by some clown who was unable to travel on the day he wanted to. "Raaaacism" and "discrimination" will be all you'll hear on the ALPBC when the first of these cases hits the courts.

On to another topic, this, if it proves to be true, could prove to be interesting.

http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/...6-yr-old-girl/


Bill Shorten arrested and interviewed by sexual crimes squad regarding alleged rape of 16-yr-old girl


Bill Shorten was arrested and interviewed by Victoria police regarding an allegation that he raped a 16-year-old girl in 1986. I have been told that it happened on or around the 28th March 2014. I only found out a few days ago about the arrest although I have known about the investigation since last year. It is a bit like the Australian Rules player Majak Daw who the media has only reported in the last few days as being accused of rape even though he was arrested in May.
Imagine how well reported this story would be if it was a conservative senior politician who was the subject of the story.

SOPS 19th Jun 2014 07:31

Excellent move. I now await the howling from Two Dads and company when these "poor repressed individuals" can't come home to mummy.

500N 19th Jun 2014 07:52

Maybe some one needs to make sure they don't come back !

Ever.

chuboy 19th Jun 2014 08:00


Originally Posted by bosnich71 (Post 8527909)
Chuboy .....
Could it be that you are part of the problem? Are you a Labour Party member, a union member perhaps ? If so do you find union bullying, branch stacking ,vilification of whistle blowers, misappropriation of members monies etc. etc. acceptable?

I beg your pardon, no I do not. Union corruption and underhandedness is inexcusable and I hope all those involved have come out in the wash when the RC is done and dusted.

I take you, and everyone else in this thread, as a person with enough intelligence to accept that political views occupy a spectrum; just because somebody disagrees with (say) a $7 GP co-payment doesn't mean they are union heavyweights content to extort their members for personal benefit. Are my expectations too high? :ugh:

Say what you will about the need for "experienced politicians" in our cabinets - I couldn't disagree more. All the career pollies (from both sides) who would happily sell their own mother if it meant another term on the gravy train have got to go if Australia is to remain a pleasant place to live in the years and decades to come. But I digress...

All this to say, the Liberal Party are not exactly noble bastions of representative democracy either. They are demonstrably "ready to listen" to anybody with pockets deep enough. There is a general consensus that the major political parties are as bad as each other these days when it comes to dealings that take place under the table, behind closed doors. Just because we didn't want Rudd and Gillard, doesn't mean we wanted Abbott. Satisfaction with the government remained high after the election for the shortest period ever. The polls speak for themselves.

The conservatives here ought to be worried to be honest - if Tony carries on his crusade the way he has been he may scare the plebs away from right wing governments for a long time ;)

500N 19th Jun 2014 08:17

For those not in Victoria, look up in hold about the shyte fight in bendigo over the huge mosque that went to council.

One objection was the influence of Islam !

parabellum 19th Jun 2014 12:25

Criticising the Abbott government now is very, very premature, they have only been in the seat since September and it is historical that all the bad news comes about now. That gives two years to generate some good news based on the results of the severe measures that are slowly being implemented now. The longer Shorten and his gang can delay that process the better their chance of minimising the good news.


Abbott may go for a DD but not until the current measures are showing tangible positive results, then, maybe, he will go for it and win.


Chuboy - agree 100% with what you say re 'Professional Politicians,' they are the antithesis of democracy.

Andu 20th Jun 2014 02:57

Another doubtful defence purchase by Australia?

The Designer Of The F-16 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is - Digg

(copied from the war on terror thread)


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