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BenThere 5th Jun 2014 15:01


Solid rust etc. ..... air fares home can't be that expensive from U.K. to wherever as airports in Britain are full of "refugees" who are either going to or from the places they fled from in fear of their lives etc. etc.
Ever occur to anyone that once immigrants get the welfare check started, they can go back home and live like gods at your expense? Free money is quite an incentive.

Andu 5th Jun 2014 22:27


I don't know who is the bigger embarrassment, Two Dads or Clive.
Clive will have to put quite a lot of effort into pipping Sarah from her pozzie at the very top of the stark raving loony tree. With his recent behaviour, he might be getting a rather close view up her proverbial skirt*, but he's nowhere near knocking her off the top branch yet.

*(Perhaps a really unfortunate turn of phrase and an mental image probably best not dwelt upon, even passingly.)

Ethel the Aardvark 5th Jun 2014 23:20

If only Abbotomy had the intelligence and speaking confidence of Turnbull, Roll on the DD or leadership challenge

gupta 5th Jun 2014 23:25

Hey Ethel (now where have I heard that phrase? oh yeah, "The Streak")

Time to change the record maybe.

The ones who keep pushing Malcolm to the front of the bus are the ones that wouldn't ever vote for the Coalition no matter who leads.

CoodaShooda 6th Jun 2014 00:00

The NT Branch of the PUP is rapidly disintegrating over a claimed total lack of financial support from Clive.

Alison Anderson is reportedly looking to establish her own party, Larissa Lee is facing criminal assault charges that could potentially see her dismissed as an elected member, one of their two senior advisers has been sacked for trying to negotiate a return of the rebels to the CLP (after designing their original break away) and the former CLP President who signed up to Clive a month ago has resigned in disgust.

I knew they wouldn't last long.....but 4 weeks? :rolleyes:

Whether he wants to or not, Abbott is going to have to run with a double dissolution within 12 months of the PUP entering the Senate or face the prospect of negotiating agreements that will do to Brand Liberal what Gillard and the Greens did to Brand Labor.

Worrals in the wilds 6th Jun 2014 01:06


Whether he wants to or not, Abbott is going to have to run with a double dissolution within 12 months of the PUP entering the Senate or face the prospect of negotiating agreements that will do to Brand Liberal what Gillard and the Greens did to Brand Labor.
And if he does that he's got to win a double dissolution :ooh:. Gillard had the same problem; in fact it's all a bit of a hamsterwheel at the moment. :uhoh:

500N 6th Jun 2014 01:19

At the moment, I don't think Abbott would win.

I know that is a big call but I honestly think that.



Cooda
It doesn't surprise me re the PUP in NT. NT is a C/Fck when it comes to politics.

The Abo pollie on the Radio yesterday was talking about racism - White racism !!! LOL
I had a chuckle over that.

MTOW 6th Jun 2014 01:22

Cooda, with a bit of luck, once the PUP very deservedly goes the way of the Democrats, (remember them?), then individual ex-PUP representatives will sit as true independents and (shock! horror!) actually vote in the best interests of their constituents, which occasionally, just might include voting in favour of bills presented to Parliament by the Coalition Government.

There'll be a very healthy dose of self-interest involved in their doing so, for I suspect they are fully aware that if they have to present themselves for re-election any time soon, they'll be well and truly turfed off the gravy train I suspect they're getting very used to by now.

Worrals in the wilds 6th Jun 2014 01:55

To be fair, the Democrats have hung in for quite a while (1977 - present) and are a fairly respectable (if small) political party, with standard processes for selecting candidates, elected party leaders etc etc. Even at the height of their influence they didn't carry on like Palmer.

PUP remind me more of One Nation; a disorganized rabble of disgruntled ex Nats/Libs led by a charismatic lunatic who has a good knack for getting on the telly a lot, but rather less of a knack when it comes to running a political party :ouch:. I predict that the party will have a similar lifespan to One Nation, though of course I've been wrong before. :}

CoodaShooda 6th Jun 2014 02:55

Palmer's only interest is Palmer.

If PUP becomes a roadblock in the Senate, Abbott's only choices will be to do blatantly self-serving deals with him, which trashes the brand, or take a risk at going to the polls while some voters might still remember how well labor governed last time.

A lot of swinging voters currently voicing their displeasure through opinion polls may well swing back when faced with making a decision that actually means something.

chuboy 6th Jun 2014 03:49


Originally Posted by gupta (Post 8509502)
The ones who keep pushing Malcolm to the front of the bus are the ones that wouldn't ever vote for the Coalition no matter who leads.

Well Bolt and Jones have done their fair share to keep the topic floating around in the media so I'm not so sure about that...

500N 6th Jun 2014 03:55

PUP will partly back down and Abbott will do a deal with him.

No DD will happen.

Solid Rust Twotter 6th Jun 2014 05:40

In the case of a double dissolution, who would be considered as an alternative choice to Abbot and the Libs? Got no skin in the game but have been sort of following things there (got family in Queensland), and no one stands out as someone who could do what he's achieved in the short time he's been in office.

bosnich71 6th Jun 2014 05:48

By the time that a D.D. comes along the present leader of the opposition may well be standing in front of an enquiry of sorts which could mean that the leadership of the opposition may change before that of the government.

Worrals in the wilds 6th Jun 2014 05:49


and no one stands out as someone who could do what he's achieved in the short time he's been in office.
No, even Gillard didn't annoy quite so many people this quickly. :E She also stayed away from pensioners, which is usually a sound political move if your future plans include getting re-elected.

However, if you vote Liberal you won't care for Labor and if you vote Labor you won't care for Liberal. About 80% of Australians almost always vote the same way.

If you're asking the question as one of the small majority who periodically vote either way then the polls would suggest that 1. The Libs' recent budget isn't at all popular, 2. Many people from both sides of the grandstand are starting to wonder if there was a bit of truth in the Aboott/Mad Monk stories :eek: and 3. Labor have been forgiven by many people. The 'under new management' image may be helping them; neither Gillard nor Rudd are anywhere to be seen, which makes it easier for Labor to push the 'we've changed' thing. Of course a lot of the current management were also members of the former management, but note that they're largely being kept shoved under the rug and safely away from the media. :suspect::}


By the time that a D.D. comes along the present leader of the opposition may well be standing in front of an inquiry of sorts which could mean that the leadership of the opposition may change before that of the government.
Or Tone may get the Julius Caesar treatment from his own people, i.e. a free set of steak knives from behind. Word 'round the campfire is that a lot of small l Libs aren't too happy at the moment.

Solid Rust Twotter 6th Jun 2014 06:08

Cleaning up behind Labor was never going to be painless. Perhaps sense will prevail with memories of the chaos and media whoring of the Labor term remaining fresh. Sadly, media influence will not allow that.

owen meaney 6th Jun 2014 07:55

It seems to be a change of philosophy rather than cleaning up "labours" mess.
Polls indicate that the Australian people don't like the new paradigm, and simply don't believe the premise that Australia is going broke.

On the topic of anniversary of DDay and operation Overlord, a thought provoking essay by Matthew Dal Santo
Obama's rhetoric follows leaders to Normandy - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Worrals in the wilds 6th Jun 2014 08:01


Sadly, media influence will not allow that.
Particularly when the Libs have media influences like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt. Seriously, if they're not on the ALP payroll someone should organize it. :}:E
The Murdoch press has been rampantly pro-Liberal since midway through Gillard's last term. As they own pretty much every major city daily paper in Australia (and have used those daily papers to consistently push the Coalition at both state and federal levels to the extent that their editorials have become embarassing :rolleyes:) I don't see that the 'media are lefties' argument holds much sway at the moment. Certainly the ABC are leftie, but they are far less influential than the dailies. The TV networks are more or less centralist (ten leans left, seven leans right, nine plays the field) and Fairfax veers from left to centre depending on the paper, but overall I wouldn't call the current coverage pro-Labor overall. Not by a long shot.

CoodaShooda 6th Jun 2014 09:38

A minor correction, if I may, Worrals.

My understanding is that Murdoch does not own the majority of publications but does win on circulation. Possibly because more people want to read what his journos and editors have to say.?

Solid Rust Twotter 6th Jun 2014 09:52

Murdoch has also been known to punt for Labor in the past. It may be that the experience left a bad taste?

In these parts media generally trends towards the left, with an inordinate amount of fluffists infesting the industry. Bit of an arty/champagne socialist thing, one suspects. Rare to find it going the other way.


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