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Jeps 28th May 2014 03:22

I read 1984 when I was about 17 and it actually messed me up a bit. I came away from it really depressed. I have recently finished reading Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and whilst she was a complete and utter whack job I can't help but agree with a lot she said.

As far as young people worshiping Ludlam, as a young person I'm not surprised however, I cant say I know anyone that does. Perhaps thy are scared off by my borderline anarchist rhetoric:ok:

Worrals in the wilds 28th May 2014 04:28


When I told one of them that it is estimated Marxism is responsible for more deaths than Hitler this was dismissed as rubbish...
Someone needs to read a bit of history :rolleyes:. Please tell me he's not at university...

That said, it's not a mainstream POV even amongst young and/or uni types, any more than being a Holocaust denier would be considered mainstream right wing.

Post election, by and large even the Greens have been working hard at sounding mainstream. Much to the disappointment of many regulars :}, SHY and their other extremists have been kept (mostly) out of sight.

500N 28th May 2014 04:32

Two dads was in the paper yesterday, typical photo.

Then in The Australian "ONE thing Sarah Hanson Young is certain of is that nothing is ever the fault of the Greens."

I thought it summed them up well !

500N 28th May 2014 04:50

What is interesting is after what we said about the student protests,
someone wrote a good piece on how they should be fighting it !

The students are revolting in all the wrong ways.


Melbourne PR firm Hootville says the fight against uncapped university fees is being lost in the spin war.



Jeps 28th May 2014 04:52

The thing that bothers me about SHY and other lefties like her is the patronizing way they speak about how good they think they are. The whole "Yes, I would do the right thing, but nobody else would hence we need to be taxed more, have more laws and more government force".

Everytime she speaks its like shes educating the great unwashed about the world and how to act.

500N 28th May 2014 04:57

Jeps

This was in the paper yesterday and IMHO sums up what you are saying.

"The look" of Two dads !

Border protection deny running 'prison ship' for asylum seekers

Worrals in the wilds 28th May 2014 05:00


...is the patronizing way they speak about how good they think they are.
True, but that's also exactly how I find Abbott, Hockey and Co. They're actually making me cranky at the moment whenever I hear them speak, and I don't usually get all that worked up about politics.

TBH I think a lot of it depends on how much you disagree with the person's political POV. The more you disagree, the more arrogant/patronising they appear. If you agree with them, you naturally assume they're speaking good sense.

500N 28th May 2014 05:04

Worrals

re " They're actually making me cranky at the moment whenever I hear them speak, and I don't usually get all that worked up about politics. "

You sound like my GF.

david1300 28th May 2014 06:00

500N/Worrals - beware the Internet romance :=. Dr Phil says it never works out well :p

Hempy 28th May 2014 06:45

Having a political bent is one thing, blindly supporting a political party or entity purely because they represent the ideology of your bent regardless of what they are actually doing is another..

Worrals in the wilds 28th May 2014 09:28

I agree.
Regular inmates will recall my ranting wrt the Labor Party, particularly the former Queensland Government. However, the LNP replacement has been absolutely frigging awful. Likewise the current federal government; I was a Liberal voter through most of the 1990s (until Work Choices) and a union supporter at the same time. So were a lot of people, though most of them won't admit to it these days :E.

Why? IMO because the current Liberal federal and state governments are far more polarising and far more antagonistic towards their former middle of the road to leftie supporters. Likewise, I think the former federal ALP government alienated a lot of moderates who considered themselves either right wing Labor or centralists who usually voted Labor.

The recent trend (and I'm sure it's at least partly driven by the two major print news agencies :suspect:) has been for the major parties to capitulate to their extremists. Therefore, instead of Howard v Beazely (both fairly centralist and both fairly reasonable) we have Abbott v Gillard, who are both nucking futs. :mad: These are our two options, both of whom are unpalatable to the middle of the road majority voters. The polls appear to back this up; over the past few years the PM approval ratings have been plumbing depths previously known only to underground miners. :} I've concentrated on the leaders because it's easy, but IMO the gaggle of Ministers (from both sides) have done little to show that they're anything more than their leader's mouthpiece; those who do/did tend to disappear fairly quickly. Again, this is a new thing. We can all recall MPs from the 1980s and 1990s who vehemently disagreed with their leader. I suspect some of them were stage managed into being bad-guys by the party machines, but still... they were heard and they survived. The political messages from both major parties were not nearly as homogeneous as they are today.

I'm not a fan of the current fashion for micro-parties and independents. For the most part they're disgruntled party people with chips on their shoulders, one-horse ranters or bona fide circus acts :ooh:. However, when I look at the major parties I can see why the circus acts are gaining so much support; for the most part I don't think it's true support (ie this party/person represents my position) but more of a total dissatisfaction with the two mainstream parties, and the dropkicks they think are fit to run for parliament.

Hempy 28th May 2014 09:38

Mate, not too sure Shorten would completely agree with your assessment ;)

Worrals in the wilds 28th May 2014 09:53

Probably not :E. My support of Shorten was qualified at best; basically summarised as 'he's not Albo'. That said, so far I think he's doing okay.

Hempy 28th May 2014 10:25

What happened to this guy? ;)

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...y/anderson.jpg

Fair analogy of his service to the electorate tbh..

On eyre 29th May 2014 00:44

Largely responsible for all the security crap we have to put up with I understand !!

parabellum 29th May 2014 01:15


That said, so far I think he's doing okay.

You are kidding aren't you Worrals?

Clare Prop 29th May 2014 01:50

He's doing OK as an opposition leader, saying "no" to everything...(pot, kettle etc). He (or his speech writers) certainly knows how to churn out totally predictable cliches day in day out to keep his minions nodding in the background.

I am interested to see how he will turn out without Mummy In Law as GG's protection as the RC into union corruption rumbles along.

parabellum 29th May 2014 03:03


He (or his speech writers) certainly knows how to churn out totally predictable cliches day in day out to keep his minions nodding in the background.
So true, as described recently,


"A deliberate, frenzied campaign of disinformation"

alisoncc 29th May 2014 03:40


He's (Shorten) doing OK as an opposition leader, saying "no" to everything...
I understand he took lessons from Abbott, et. al., when Abbott was in opposition.

500N 29th May 2014 03:55

The Age/SMH had an article on exactly that the other week and exactly as you said, Shorten saying No and doing what Abbott did when he was in Opposition !


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