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rh200 20th May 2014 00:57


Mr Costello said Labor deliberately increased funding after 2017 knowing it would lose the election, saying it was “common for retreating enemies to blow up supplies and infrastructure so as to deny them to enemies that are advancing against them”.
Good to see I'm not paranoid, that was the impression I was having as well. Instead of a royal commission into the insulation scheme, maybe one into the previous governments economic decisions would be better.

parabellum 20th May 2014 06:49

In the UK, if you are a member of a union that passes a part of the members contribution on to a particular party, you are allowed to 'contract out' of the political levy and I think you give an equivalent amount to a recognised charity. Is that the same in Australia?


If you had switched on Q & A after it started last Monday and didn't know differently, you would have been forgiven for thinking that Jones was a fully paid up member of the hard left ALP and a member of the panel, not the Question Master.


The last government signed up to several contracts that were totally unfunded and committed the LNP government to pay for them, they have no interest in Australia and Australians, they are solely interested in themselves, the ALP and being in power. (Posted after Saltie's post below)

Saltie 20th May 2014 06:52

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
 
At the time, when Labor was still in power, my wife put it another way - that Labor was planting an enormous minefield for the Libs to deal with.

500N 20th May 2014 07:23

Labor would have left a massive minefield through incompetence, not by design, although they would have liked to have been able to say it was by design !!!

rh200 20th May 2014 07:30


Labor would have left a massive minefield through incompetence, not by design, although they would have liked to have been able to say it was by design !!!
I tend to agree, but Krudd is such a sleazy, slimy self contented, obsessed with his own self importance peace of sh!t, I wouldn't put it past him.

500N 20th May 2014 07:36

Look back, Hawke, Keating etc weren't too bad at running the country but I have yet to see a Labor leader since who even has a clue.

KRudd was as you say, all about him, Gillard was so out of her depth it wasn't funny. It would have been OK if she had a really, really strong person behind her and in treasury / finance but alas, that was not the case.

owen meaney 20th May 2014 07:53

You are more than paranoid if you believe the previous federal government set out to destroy Australia, financially or otherwise.

The changes the current federal government is bringing in are to the detriment of many people, young and old. With people at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale losing far more in straight dollars than those at the upper end.

I would guess that most of those posting here are employed, and able to provide no matter what changes are afoot. Spare a thought for those on the edge.

Or as old mate said in the pub last night " let the hungry eat the homeless and no more welfare problems"

Worrals in the wilds 20th May 2014 08:47


Spare a thought for those on the edge.
Agree, owen.
I am concerned about the six month welfare wait for under thirties. On the Gold Coast the youth unemployment rate is 17%, and it's even worse up north. This has not been helped by the current state government, on the contrary it's gotten worse. Nor does it include the 'under-employed', who only get a few hours work a week but would like more.
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Unlike mining boom times, it's not like the average company is struggling to fill empty positions. There simply aren't the jobs available, particularly for low skilled workers. What are they supposed to do for six months, be supported by their parents? What if they don't have parents who can do that? Do they live in cardboard boxes?

The government's demonisation of welfare recipients has been very distasteful. Of course there are welfare cheats and they should be hunted down and brought to account. This is done by various federal public service agencies; the same public service that's about to be gutted.

However, many people are receiving benefits because they are legitimately disabled or can't find a job, much as they'd like one. Contrary to whatever Hockey and Co believe I think most Australians are well aware of that, and they don't like to see needy people collectively portrayed as liars and cheats.

Howard and Costello were very astute politicians, and they were always careful to avoid demonising poor people. IMO the 'Howard's battler' spin was a key factor in their repeated election victories. These guys have done the opposite, and the results of that strategy is demonstrated by the polls. They need to remember that most Australians (whether rich, poor or in between) believe in the Fair Go principle, a principle that Abbott, Hockey et al are trashing as fast as they can.


In the UK, if you are a member of a union that passes a part of the members contribution on to a particular party, you are allowed to 'contract out' of the political levy and I think you give an equivalent amount to a recognised charity. Is that the same in Australia?
I know of a couple of party affilliated unions that offer it, but it's fairly unusual.

Many unions are not party affiliated (as an aviation example neither the AFAP or the ALAEA are) so I assume they don't levy their members for political funds. Maybe they make one off donations? Dunno. :confused:

Again as an example, just over twenty Qld unions (or the relevant state branches) are currently affliated to the ALP.
Links | ALP Queensland
That's from over forty unions who are affliated with the ACTU, though not all of these are active in Queensland.
Unions | ACTU National Union DirectoryACTU National Union Directory

SOPS 20th May 2014 09:42

That McTernan guy is back in the UK. He appears on radio commenting on UK politics.

Saltie 20th May 2014 13:09

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Hope he knows a damn sight more about UK politics and the mindset of UK voters than he demonstrated he knew about Australian voters while he was here. He should have been gaoled if, (as I strongly suspect he was), he was the one who orchestrated the Aboriginal "activists" attacking Tony Abbott lakeside in Canberra on the incident where Julia Gillard lost her shoe.

I think he was the man responsible for the whole Class Warfare slant in Labor's attacks on the Coalition policies. What works in the UK doesn't 't necessarily work here.

Worrals in the wilds 20th May 2014 22:38


What works in the UK doesn't 't necessarily work here.
Agreed. The countries are quite different, as evidenced by their different media styles.

gupta 20th May 2014 23:12

And we have a challenger for the most vapid & ignorant senator.
Stand aside Two Dads, make way for Senator-elect Jacqui Lambie (PUP)
That performance on 7:30 report was an absolute shocker.

At one point she came up with a new plan to tax the banks, but then admitted she hadn't raised it yet with Clive, but was prepared to announce it on national TV!!!

It was disturbing (& a little frightening) to realise that she is in the Senate and making decisions for the next 6 years

500N 20th May 2014 23:21

"make way for Senator-elect Jacqui Lambie (PUP)"

Isn't she the one from Tasmania ?

If so, she is a fire eater !

gupta 20th May 2014 23:29


If so, she is a fire eater !
Whaaat?
Fried & scrambled brains more like - NFI

Watch the whole interview & you'll be cringing under the table

rh200 20th May 2014 23:32

Yep where on a winner, thanks for the words of wisdom Tanya, what the f#$%k does she think have been trying to do for the last how many months.


At one point she came up with a new plan to tax the banks, but then admitted she hadn't raised it yet with Clive, but was prepared to announce it on national TV!!!
And thats the problem with politics, to many half wits who don't have a clue. But I think the system we have now, is sadly the best you get.

The fact is you can have all these bright ideas to try and solve the problems of the world, but in fact most people including pollys, don't have the brains to thinks on several levels. And that is to understand the second third and forth order effects of decisions.

The law of unintended consequences is a b!tch, ignore it at your peril. The problem is the masses will tend to vote for populisim, so things like taxing tall poppy's generally goes down well.

500N 20th May 2014 23:38

I didn't watch that interview but have seen her before.

By fire eater, I meant she is happy to open her mouth and sprout stuff, she did it in the interview I watched a few months ago.

She canned the opposition !

gupta 21st May 2014 00:01

I think you've supported my point Mr Nitro

Now she's bagging the Govt- a real loose cannon

500N 21st May 2014 00:09

Yes, I was supporting your point :ok:

I think we agree on what she is like.

gupta 21st May 2014 00:24

No probs Mr N :ok:

But take the risk & watch - mind you it's 10 min of your life you won't ever get back.

500N 21st May 2014 05:18

Defence Minister calls a spade a spade ?
 
I see the Defence Minister calls a spade a spade and the union get upset over it ?

56,000 in uniform and 20,000 public servants to support them ???????
FFS, that's almost 40% !

"A union director has called on Defence Minister David Johnston to apologise to the ranks of civilian public servants he is about to sack after labelling them "fat and happy" in a radio interview.
He made the comment on ABC Radio Riverina a week after the budget which observers now say will reduce staff numbers by 2500, as opposed to the 1200 widely reported using the budget's headline figures.
It also comes as 150 staff will be cut from the Defence Science and Technology Organisation.
Senator Johnston told presenter Chris Coleman there was a "huge increased responsibility" on Defence to get better value for money.


"We've currently got 20,500 public servants running about 56,000 uniforms, now I still think that's a little bit fat and happy," Mr Johnston said.





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