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alisoncc 8th May 2014 01:46

Hit the top end with the Debt Deficit TAX. Hit the bottom end with payments to GP's for those without insurance. Hit students with increased costs and faster pay back times. And how about an increase in the Fuel Excise to round it all off. The last should get everyone who travels on business. Cut subsidies to the automotive industry - we don't need to manufacture anything. Allow QANTAS to move overseas in it's entirity. Don't need the skills their employees contribute. But increase employment in service industries. We can all take in each others washing to make a quid.

500N 8th May 2014 02:04

I think Tony Abbott is scaring the country and denting consumer confidence.

And I don't think he needs to do that to achieve what he is trying to achieve.

I do think they were putting the "worst case scenario" out there so that
they could come in on budget night looking a bit better but think they
may have over done it a bit.

alisoncc 8th May 2014 02:22

But 500N, thought you were one of the Abbott fanboys. Interesting job losses being quoted on the midday news.

500N 8th May 2014 02:23

I am, or certainly if the choice is between the two majors.

But he has done a few things that have raised my eyebrows.

alisoncc 8th May 2014 02:40


Hit students with increased costs and faster pay back times.
And even more will head off overseas as soon as they qualify so they won't have to repay their HECS fees.


And how about an increase in the Fuel Excise to round it all off. The last should get everyone who travels on business
If you really want to slow an economy down increase the tax on petrol. Guaranteed everytime. Add in Napthine's increase in registration costs - anyone want to buy my bicycle? Awfully long way to the top end on a push bike 500N.

CoodaShooda 8th May 2014 03:55


I think Tony Abbott is scaring the country and denting consumer confidence.
I've been hearing and seeing a lot of commentary about Abbott destroying the country but I haven't actually seen or heard anything from the man himself.

It seems to me that the libs indulged in a bit of traditional "kite flying" but underestimated the power of the modern media and its enormous appetite for negativity and scandal.

They've lost control of the message, whatever it is.

Abbott in Opposition refined the model of political negativity but, with labor following his lead, a predominantly antagonistic media and no control over the Senate he's got a snowball's chance of successfully selling whatever it is he's trying to achieve.

But I'll wait to see what is actually in the Budget before getting all emotional over it.

500N 8th May 2014 04:02

"It seems to me that the libs indulged in a bit of traditional "kite flying" but underestimated the power of the modern media and its enormous appetite for negativity and scandal.

They've lost control of the message, whatever it is."


I think you might be right.

bosnich71 8th May 2014 04:20

Meanwhile the Plods in Sydney are investigating the two wealthy blokes who had a roll around on the floor the other day .......... Jeeeezus !

500N 8th May 2014 04:23

I can't believe that the Police are bothering with those two.
As though they don't have enough to do !

Ken Borough 8th May 2014 07:45


I can't believe that the Police are bothering with those two.
Well. Why shouldn't they? Here we have two blokes who should have known better belting the sh!t out of each other in a very public place. Were it Larry from Laverton versus Fred from Footscray, you can be one or both of them would have already been charged. There is no doubt, on what's so far been reported, that one of the pugilists had been laying in wait for the other to show. Malice aforethought was there. Some would call it mens rea. Both were compus mentis. I for the life of me can't see why the police ought not be involved. They are, after all, clearly 'keepers of the peace'.

bosnich71 8th May 2014 08:04

Ken ...." was it Larry from Laverton" etc.

Problem is,Laverton which is attached to Werribee ...population 100,000 plus and growing... has only one Divvy Van out there in the wee hours.The local plod shops are not manned 24/7 as they should be,if you ring them you get a recorded message to press various numbers by which time the villains have fled the scene, and so on and so forth.Hence my frustration with the plods p*****g about with this little roll around,talk about girls with handbags,it was a lot less serious than the average AFL biffo and they really are girly.
Life in Laverton and Footscray is obviously crime free or Channel Nine and the rest of the luvvies would be telling us all about events there wouldn't they? Just like they are about the rich men's 'punch up" ....smiley added.

Andu 8th May 2014 08:11


Were it Larry from Laverton versus Fred from Footscray, you can be(t) one or both of them would have already been charged.
Ken, I'm afraid in this case, you're wrong.

The situation with these two uberrich ****s is exactly the same as it has been with Craig Thomson versus the the HSU, along with Julia Gillard's ex-squeeze (Wilson? - and possibly Gillard herself) versus the AWU.

In both those cases, the ***ing THIEVES have remained free for years because the sinned-upon parties have refused to lay charges.

Gyngell and Packer have released a joint statement that makes it highly unlikely either will lay charges against the other. The police, keen to be seen to be doing something so they can't be accused of going soft on the pair because they are uberrich ****s, are looking for an other option like disturbing the peace or public affray or some such lesser charge via eye witnesses. Which of course, with the lawyers that that pair can afford, will certainly be thrown out in court.

Getting back to the topic of main game in town, am I the only one who thinks that Tony Abbott is seriously misjudging how badly he will suffer politically over this proposed deficit tax? I'd be guessing that the Labor strategists are trying not to pinch themselves for fear that this is just an impossibly implausible dream where every one of their prayers has been answered by an incredibly beneficent God.

They're going to milk this every bit as effectively - maybe even moreso - as the Libs did Gillard's carbon tax broken promise, and the fact that 99% of us will not be hit by it won't matter one bit.

If he's going to do it, he might as well get some return for it and sting everyone right down to the lowest wage earner with it.

Worrals in the wilds 8th May 2014 08:17

The coppers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
If they don't act, people will say that these guys got away with it because they're rich and famous. If they do act, people will say that it's because of the media attention and if they weren't well known no-one would have been the wiser, particularly as neither of them have made a complaint.


Getting back to the topic of main game in town, am I the only one who thinks that Tony Abbott is seriously misjudging how badly he will suffer politically over this proposed deficit tax?
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https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...9c31c5yXZ51Rsg
Hey, we needed some good news. :E :}

This strikes me as another example of the flawed theory; 'if we do it early, people will forget.' Qld Labor and now the Qld LNP are learning that it's not actually the case; people just spend three or four years sharpening their ballot pencils and getting even crankier.

This has to be alienating the Liberal true believers, particularly if the paid parental scheme is still on the table.

EDIT: Channel nine just used the phrase 'celebrities and other world leaders...' Maybe David Gyngel could go and punch the writer. :ugh:

Andu 8th May 2014 08:29

My sympathies, Worrals. Your situation wasn't all that different to the Brit who rang to tell the cops his house was being burgled and got the runaround from them. So he said he'd just shot one of the burglars and within minutes, there was a helicopter overhead and a dozen armed response coppers swarming all over his house.

I lived in a suburb between Werribee and Laverton for some (long) years... (That place with an 'X-ing' as part of its name.) There has to be a word one step beyond 'feral' to describe some - make that too many - of the people who exist there (and even moreso in Laverton). I think that particular suburb (the X-ing place, not Laverton) holds the unenviable record for the highest percentage of residents on unemployment benefits in the land.

It also holds another unenviable record for the local members its residents have elected.

500N 8th May 2014 09:03

Andy

Xing, has improved markedly since your time, except who was elected !

We went from the top person in labour to the bottom !

Worrals in the wilds 8th May 2014 09:11


My sympathies, Worrals.
Cheers Andu. I edited the original post so your reply may now seem a bit cryptic :suspect:, but yeah, an attempted car-jacking wasn't on my Things To Do list that morning. If any of them had gotten in the way of my car it would have been a lot more high profile, but they weren't that dumb. Too bad, really :mad:.

The coppers were sympathetic, but to misquote the telly; there are a million stories in the Naked City; this had been one of them. There are only so many coppers to go around, so wasting their time and energy on the Great Punch Up seems a bit pointless.

bosnich71 8th May 2014 10:28

I presume that the rich man's biffo took place in NSW. If so that's the state that comes up each Monday on Channel Nine news,here in Victoria, as having had multiple shots fired into houses or various blokes. The local chief Bobby appears on the news looking all serious and vowing to catch those involved etc.etc.. This has been going on now for some years, can anyone in Sydney inform the rest of us if there have ever been any arrests? Perhaps the shooters are just lads from one of our more excitable minorities and the plods aren't really interested. If so could channel 9 stop wasting everyone's time by reporting such events and could the law get back to the serious stuff such as rich men rolling about on the floor.

P.S. nothing wrong with Hoppers Crossing nowadays.The suburb used to be known as "Swappers Crossing" but that was back in the 70s'/80s' when the place was predominately inhabited by RAAF personnel. Now that they've departed for the East the suburb has become quite genteel. Smiley added.

Worrals in the wilds 8th May 2014 10:44


Perhaps the shooters are just lads from one of our more excitable minorities and the plods aren't really interested.
Or they're drug dealers shooting other drug dealers. It's like those TV news 'home invasion' stories where Mr Innocent's door gets kicked in for absolutely no reason by a bunch of dudes he's apparently never met before, but he doesn't want to make a complaint. Occupational hazards...:hmm:

Andu 8th May 2014 11:37

bosnich, Swapper's Xing was my own experience of the place (well, almost), just after arriving there. Just after we moved in, the neighbours invited us over for drinks, where we found four or five other couples, all of whom were from the street. Host had large glass bowl in hand, offering it to me. A little nonplussed, I couldn't work out what the bowl was for, but then realised he wanted me to put my keys in it (which already had half a dozen sets of keys in it).

I demurred.

We didn't stay long, and were never invited back.

7x7 9th May 2014 00:08

Is this stretching Political Correctness just a bit too far?

No Cookies | Herald Sun


IMMIGRATION Minister Scott Morrison is reviewing legislation that protects a child sex predator who is now targeting footy training, a school, parks, playground and the Melbourne Sports and Aquatic Centre.

Ali Jaffari, an Afghan refugee who cannot be deported thanks to his permanent protection visa, is on the sex offenders register.

Jaffari is under police investigation over his behaviour towards young children at footy training and Auskick near Albert Park.

South Melbourne Districts Junior Football Club sent an email to parents warning them to be extra vigilant and not leave any child unattended.

The club reported the matter to Victoria Police and supplied a picture of the man taken by a coach, with the force confirming it was investigating last week but asking the Herald Sun not to publish details until now so as not to compromise the case.

Mr Morrison told 3AW radio today that Jaffari’s permanent protection visa made it “very difficult to deport him”.

“Jaffari was given a permanent protection visa by the previous government, if he was given a temporary visa I would have a bit more wiggle room,” he told 3AW.

“Under the current law, we have to pursue this under the ‘general character provisions’ not the ‘criminal conduct provisions’ because this requires a custodial sentence for immediate action.

“I’m hoping we can get something done, a decision being able to be made on this in a matter of weeks if not sooner.”

Mr Morrison said “the law is not as strong as it should be in this case” and that he was “working on that in parallel”.

On Thursday TV and radio personality Kate Langbroek tweeted that Jaffari was loitering at her children’s school and MSAC.

“So there’s a pedo hanging around our kids’ school. Seriously. And at MSAC. Apparently he has ‘a right to pursue fitness’. Holy moly,” the tweet read.

Jaffari, 35, has also loitered at a Beaconsfield Parade playground where he was confronted by an irate parent.

And one mum said Jaffari followed her two children after dark in Albert Park, staring and touching himself. “It was truly frightening,” she said.

Jaffari was convicted and placed on the sex offenders register for 15 years over the assault of a boy at Geelong’s Eastern beach in August but received just 300 hours of community service.

Jaffari kissed the boy on the neck, told him he was “sexy” and rubbed himself against him.

In January he was accused of child stealing and unlawful assault of a four-year-old girl at a Geelong West oval.

“He then grabbed the child’s hand and began to lead her away before she looked up, saw it wasn’t her father, started crying and pulled her hand away,” police prosecutor sergeant Brooke Shears told the court.

When interviewed, Jaffari told police: “For us, is not an issue.”

Magistrate Ron Saines stood the matter down in March, advising police if he were hearing the matter he would have reasonable doubt finding Jaffari guilty, citing cultural differences.

The charges were dropped.

Police have urged anyone who spotted suspicious behaviour to call 000.


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