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Clare Prop 2nd Apr 2014 10:27

WTF is a "Religious Leader Visa"????!!!

Edit, just googled it, phew!

The Religious Worker visa (subclass 428) is closed to new applications. You cannot apply for this visa.

https://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/428.aspx

SOPS 3rd Apr 2014 01:17

Now I am getting :mad: cross. Coming to my country in a boat is unlawful. How dare you challenge the government I elected, doing a job I asked them to do. Who the hell are you? An illegal country shopper,that's what.

These greeny huggy fluffs seem to like to take to the streets in protest, perhaps it's time we did as well. It's time to regain our country.

High Court agrees to hear challenge to processing of asylum seekers on Manus Island - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

500N 3rd Apr 2014 01:23

SOPS

Agree.

Give him an alternative, yup, we'll process you right now, "OK, Processed, application rejected, we have an aircraft ready to go, see you later, Bye bye and don't come back !"

Clare Prop 3rd Apr 2014 02:02

Shouldn't he be suing Rudd? He has pretty deep pockets, after all Therese has just made a sale worth about 200 million bucks.

Ken Borough 3rd Apr 2014 03:09


Coming to my country in a boat is unlawful.

Erm. Who said? Even if you are an asylum seeker, it's quite lawful to come to Australia by boat. Lots of tourists also come by boat, quite lawfully. The continued claim that asylum seekers arrive illegally is just so much rubbish. The pity is that certain politicians have been saying it for so long that many shallow-thinking Australians believe them, and then repeat it as though it's the gospel truth. :ugh::ugh::ugh:.

500N 3rd Apr 2014 03:23

Ken,

Either way, they are still trying to jump the queue and / or circumvent established procedure for applying for Asylum.

Yes, you can come by boat but paying someone to get you in, cutting a fine line.

Anyway, most don't want them coming in like that and seem quite happy with the fact the boats have stopped.

Regardless of what the huggy fluffies tell us, which they
have been saying it for so long that they think it is the gospel truth :O (Just like "stopping the boats" is a bad policy even though it saves thousands of lives ;))



PinkusDickus 3rd Apr 2014 05:11


Erm. Who said? Even if you are an asylum seeker, it's quite lawful to come to Australia by boat. Lots of tourists also come by boat, quite lawfully. The continued claim that asylum seekers arrive illegally is just so much rubbish. The pity is that certain politicians have been saying it for so long that many shallow-thinking Australians believe them, and then repeat it as though it's the gospel truth
Put me down as a shallow thinker in that case.....

Pinky the pilot 3rd Apr 2014 07:03


Put me down as a shallow thinker in that case.....
Likewise.

And FWIW, I have even heard a Lawyer describe the boats as illegal. Make of that what you will.

Ken Borough 3rd Apr 2014 07:26

The following was written by one of Australia's most outstanding and respected legal minds: Julian Burnside. I realise that some here do not respect him, but I'd rather he in my corner arguing my case than the totality of his critics, here and elsewhere.


Are asylum seekers "illegal": What offence do they commit?

Julian Burnside

Are asylum seekers "illegal"? Scott Morrison desperately wants everyone to think so, and has directed Department staff to say so.

There are two points to make. First, Morrison is keen to use the word "illegal" because it implies criminality; that in turn makes it politically possible for the government to mistreat asylum seekers: it reduces them to a lesser class of humanity. After all, we lock up criminals.

Asylum seekers DO NOT commit any criminal offence by coming here and seeking asylum. You should not believe anyone who says otherwise.

Scott Morrison seeks to justify his use of "illegals" to refer to asylum seekers by pointing to Article 31 of the Refugees Convention.

He is wrong, and probably knows he is wrong.

It is true that the Convention speaks of "Refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge". It requires that they not be penalized "on account of their illegal entry or presence".

But the fact that the Convention recognises that some countries may make it an offence to arrive and seek asylum does not make a scrap of difference to the content of Australian law.

The Coalition’s rhetoric is calculated to make the public believe that asylum seekers have broken the law. The only way to test that is to ask what law they break. The answer is: None.

If Morrison was honest about this, he would have to admit:

that boat people do not break any law by coming here, without papers, and asking for asylum;
that calling them “illegals” is calculated to make the public fearful of boat people;
that making the public fear them makes it possible to promise to mistreat them.
Incidentally, the word “illegals”, used as a noun to refer to refugees, was first used in the 1930s in reference to Jewish refugees. It had the same disreputable purpose then as now: to give governments an excuse to treat them badly.

Regardless what the Refugees Convention says, asylum seekers DO NOT commit any offence by coming here as they do.

Morrison should be asked directly to identify any offence committed by asylum seekers: the only honest answer is: none.

John Eacott 3rd Apr 2014 07:47

Whereas that bastion of anti LNP propaganda, the ABC Fact Check, comes down on the side of......Scott Morrison :ok:


The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

500N 3rd Apr 2014 07:55

Ken

Julian is biased !

He can say what he likes, it is the govt who determines what is what !

Ken Borough 3rd Apr 2014 09:11

The courts of the land decide what's right and what's wrong. The Govt can pass all the laws it likes but the courts will determine their validity if called upon and there's nothing any Govt can do except change the law if it's found to be invalid. Rule of Law, anyone?

500N 3rd Apr 2014 09:22

Which is exactly what the Gov't is doing (changing the law), moving the goal posts whenever it needs to. And it needs to, the lawyers have had it too good for too long when it comes to AS appeals.

Or just totally ignoring the "law" if that is what you can call the UN Conventions !

bosnich71 3rd Apr 2014 11:35

I've said it before and I'll say it again,Burnside is a grub. Just like tht other Grub in U.K. Robertson who also makes a very good living appearing for Illegals at a great cost to the British taxpayer. And as for his hypocritical missus,Lette, well the less said about her the better.

parabellum 3rd Apr 2014 13:01


Erm. Who said? Even if you are an asylum seeker, it's quite lawful to come to Australia by boat. Lots of tourists also come by boat, quite lawfully. The continued claim that asylum seekers arrive illegally is just so much rubbish. The pity is that certain politicians have been saying it for so long that many shallow-thinking Australians believe them, and then repeat it as though it's the gospel truth



Total tosh Ken. The boat people, 90% at least, have already passed through two and more countries where they could have sought asylum and chosen not to do so, consequentially they are immediately outside the protection and descriptions of any UN conventions. This aspect Burnside chooses to ignore in his sermons various.


For a fraction of the cost of a leaky boat these people could have come by scheduled service to any Australian international airport and either sought legitimate entry or asylum. Instead they paid a small fortune to pass through several safe countries and seek out a boat to try and reach Australia, having either sold on or destroyed their documents, in order to cover their true identity and seek entrance to Australia, that, Ken, is illegal. Employing any subterfuge to enter Australia is illegal. Burnside evades this aspect every time it is raised.

500N 3rd Apr 2014 13:06

But the left totally ignore those points, especially the coming through at least two other countries :rolleyes:

But Ken, like the other lefties keeps sprouting on that they aren't illegal !!!

SOPS 3rd Apr 2014 13:32

The huggy left continue to ignore the above facts. Why? Because it does not fit their lefty agenda. End of story.

Clare Prop 3rd Apr 2014 13:55

Meanwhile, after listening to Waleed Aly's hilarious interview with Clive Palmer and now Clive is on Lateline (wearing bright orange make up) and just told Tony Jones to "shut up", I think we do have the Monster Raving Looney Party here in Australia after all! :D

500N 3rd Apr 2014 14:01

"The huggy left continue to ignore the above facts. Why? Because it does not fit their lefty agenda. End of story."


SOPS

Just like the 1000 dead / drowned.

Acceptable collateral damage for the left even though they try to "save" the Asylum Seekers !

Clare Prop 3rd Apr 2014 14:06

I think it is just because they can't think for themselves, they have to blandly repeat the ALP Green propaganda. I see it a lot among younger people here. They think Scott Ludlam is some kind of demigod.

I actually thought he was quite reasonable until he sank to the "ad hominem" style in his famous speech a couple of weeks ago. I found myself standing next to him at a ska gig recently and was going to tell him so but decided to enjoy the band instead.


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