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bosnich71 11th Mar 2014 06:17

Funny thing about the 'University' lefties is that they never go off and live in one of their worker paradises do they ?
On another Pprune thread, about what happened in RAF Germany when the wall between East and West Germany was finally removed back in the 80s',guys who were in Germany at the time talked of large numbers of Trabants heading towards the West of the country but,funnily enough,no reports of Mercedes going East.
Equally while I was there in the 60s' there were constant news reports of people attempting to escape from East Germany, and some dying in the attempt, but not a lot about others going in the opposite direction.

500N 11th Mar 2014 06:25

Bos

Yes, that was an interesting observation re WG / EG.

And you are correct, they certainly don't flock there !

Lone_Ranger 11th Mar 2014 06:41


I once heard a bloke who identified himself as a socialist actually say words to the effect that 'the average person is not capable of understanding politics correctly. They need us to explain it and make the decisions for them.'
Sounds like a helpful sort of chap.............was it clearer to you after the explanation?:E

Captain Sand Dune 11th Mar 2014 06:42


Funny thing about the 'University' lefties is that they never go off and live in one of their worker paradises do they ?
Interestingly, three chaps called Burgess, Maclean and Philby did exactly that when they left the UK for Soviet Russia around the end of WWII. Probably because they would have died an early death had they remained in the UK.:E
In sure they lived a wonderful life in the USSR.:hmm:

Pinky the pilot 11th Mar 2014 07:19


.............was it clearer to you after the explanation
I'll put it like this; After he spouted the usual phrases re the struggle of the workers/proletariat/whatever, the benefits of complete Government control of production, distribution and exchange, blah blah etc etc.....

It was as clear as mud!:mad::ugh:

By this time he had attracted a bit of an audience around the campfire and when asked by someone about his opinion of the ideal form of Government for Australia (You can see this coming, can't you?:ooh:) he replied that it should be a "non-repressive government!'' (His exact words)

'Oh yes, and what type of Government is that?' he was asked and his prompt reply was
"A Socialist Government!"

He then looked around him in complete bewilderment, as he simply could not understand or comprehend why everyone, and there were about a dozen or so around the campfire, howled with laughter!

Except for one middle aged bloke, originally from what was then Yugoslavia who simply scowled into his beer and muttered a few obscenities.

SOPS 11th Mar 2014 07:53

MTOW...as I have said on here many times, my sister is left or the most leftist lefty. Her and all her friends are the same. They, and only they, know what is best foe everyone.you can't question their opinions in any way whatsoever, if you try, you are just interrupted or dismissed out of hand. And they have real problems understanding that not everyone believes their huggy fluff lefty solutions for the world.

bosnich71 11th Mar 2014 08:13

500N ... the British forces in West Germany also employed, literally,thousands of D.P.s' who were all originally from the East. The ones that I spoke to were all ex Werhmacht/ Luftwaffe and seemed to have all been in Russia ... and had no intention of going anywhere near the place again.I felt quite sorry for them actually and since the wall came down I've sometimes wondered if they went back "home", if they survived until then of course.It would have been interesting to have sat in on a conversation between them and the likes of Gillard and some of the "socialists" of today.
I had quite a few conversations with the camp barber,Herr Kutt, and although he was a Westie he also said that he fought in Russia.I told him, once, that my Dad must have been telling me Porkies because he reckoned that there were Germans in Nth. Africa and Italy who had been trying to kill him and yet I was yet to meet any German who had actually been in action against the British.
C.S.D....With regard to Burgess and his mates I just knew that someone would raise their names but I thought that really they weren't 'workers' in the proper sense of the word just Traitors and only went off to Russia as it was a better alternative to 25 years in the Scrubs. or worse.
Pinky ... with ref. to the average person cannot understand politics etc. the sad part is that there are those in the E.U./ U.N. who think exactly that. Democracy indeed.

Captain Sand Dune 11th Mar 2014 09:10

Not trying to be a smart*ss, mate!


The bald headed singer has been told to prepare to front the inquiry into the insulation fiasco.
A coincidence that the moon faced one is out of the country?

Worrals in the wilds 11th Mar 2014 09:41


I once heard a bloke who identified himself as a socialist actually say words to the effect that 'the average person is not capable of understanding politics correctly. They need us to explain it and make the decisions for them.'
Sounds familiar, particularly wrt ageing university/workplace lefties who don't realise that 1. most people never bought it but just nodded along quietly and 2. even the people who did have either moved on or become part of the problem.

It's a particularly lazy attempt to shut down a debate without actually putting forward any argument :bored:. It worked on impressionable young undergrads (well some of them, anyway :}) but these days, most intelligent people either laugh or roll their eyes. That's because IMO most people do understand politics, which is why they neither trust nor like politicians.

The gen Y/Zs in particular resent being told to believe something just Because, and most of them immediately switch off. This has been a big problem with (some) union recruitment campaigns, because the old intimidation and 'do what we say' techniques simply don't work on intelligent young-uns. Presenting them with a decent argument that outlines the pros of collective bargaining, representation to management and a decent set of benefits gets a much better response. Whether it's about unions, Labor or leftieism in general, the 'shut down debate' technique only alienates potential supporters. The left organizations that have moved on from that (and there are many) are now more successful than the 1970s dinosaurs.

IMo most of these ageing 'we know best' guys/girls are more of a hindrance to the labour movement than a help.

500N 11th Mar 2014 10:00

"That's because IMO most people do understand politics, which is why they neither trust nor like politicians."


And IMHO, regardless of ideology, KRudd and Gillard put the Labor / Left back many years because of incompetent leadership and it will have stuck in young people's minds which MAY cloud judgement in future elections.

CoodaShooda 11th Mar 2014 10:00

I'd suggest it applies equally to the inner workings of conservative parties too, Worrals.

Current newsworthy item up here is a male member of the Country Liberals parliamentary wing using both 'f' and 'c' bombs in the same sentence, directed towards a female colleague.

He's been outed by the sisterhood. Not sure how much longer this mob can hold together as a cohesive government.

To balance the ledger, the local branch executive of the AEU has agreed to give its President $15,000 towards his campaign for the upcoming by-election.

The AEU claims not to be affiliated with the ALP; so that's alright then. Never mind the National Executive has criticised the NT Branch. They are just "union time servers", apparently.

Shades of Craig Thomson, methinks.

500N 11th Mar 2014 10:02

"A coincidence that the moon faced one is out of the country?"

"Moon face" in Australia is Bert Newton.

Peter Garrett was known as "egg head" amongst my group.
It sure is shaped like one !!!

Worrals in the wilds 11th Mar 2014 10:22


Current newsworthy item up here is a male member of the Country Liberals parliamentary wing using both 'f' and 'c' bombs in the same sentence, directed towards a female colleague.
Charming. Unfortunately both major parties (and movements) contain fundamentalist bullies who'll do anything, say anything and stop at nothing to get their point across. :(

The more moderate members struggle to mitigate the public damage, while having to stop short of criticising one of their own (a mortal sin in politics). Meanwhile, the electorate grows more disgruntled with both sides of the debate and gets closer to dismissing the major parties as a bunch of partisan [email protected]

The danger with this POV is that the reasonable voter starts to think that the minor parties have the answer, which by and large they don't. Mostly they can only influence the preferences, which just makes the process messier.

500N 11th Mar 2014 10:26

"Mostly they can only influence the preferences, which just makes the process messier."

Or make the term of the Gov't so unstable by needing to do "deals"
that the whole thing turns into a cluster !

As shown in the last few years.

Worrals in the wilds 11th Mar 2014 11:20

Exactly.
I've been looking into the Australian Independent phenomemon recently, and I've found that there are very few (if any) true independents. When it comes to state or federal politics I've found that every candidate/MP I looked at had a former party endorsement, was involved with a party or was a local government member and affiliated with a party.

I'm sure there's a true successful Independent pollie out there, but I just haven't found them yet. My definition is a person who has no former affiliation with a registered party whether major or minor (ie the establised minors like the Greens, FF, the DLP or similar).
Suggestions welcome...:8

CoodaShooda 11th Mar 2014 11:28

The NT has a genuine independent representing the Darwin rural area.
They are a cynical, independently minded mob out there.
He held balance of power in the last government and went with Labor.

He considered the CLP was too arrogant and divided.

Events since they regained power in 2012, suggests he was right.

Unfortunately, he also gave us uncontrolled borrowing, rising debt and counterproductive social experiments. A genuine labor experience. :E

Worrals in the wilds 11th Mar 2014 11:37

No Labor/ ALP union affiliation?

500N 11th Mar 2014 11:37

"The NT has a genuine independent representing the Darwin rural area.
They are a cynical, independently minded mob out there."

Do you mean "Humpty Doo" :O


I reckon the saying "they're a weird mob" sums up HD well !!! :O

CoodaShooda 11th Mar 2014 12:38

No affiliations.

Former farm hand at a chicken farm. Had a tilt at local gummint and got a local profile.

Worrals in the wilds 11th Mar 2014 23:39

My apologies then, I stand corrected. For some reason I thought the NT's Independent was a former Nat.

It certainly is unusual, though in fairness there are a few who came from local government. Queensland's Liz Cunningham is another one, and I think there's one from Sydney.


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