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Mimpe 28th Feb 2014 23:18

some folks are better left outside the tent I would have thought….its not as though Sen Conroy was trying to be helpful...

Captain Sand Dune 1st Mar 2014 00:19


….its not as though Sen Conroy was trying to be helpful...
He was - to the LNP!

PinkusDickus 1st Mar 2014 00:40

I'm happy for Conroy to keep acting like the total d**khead he is.

He's a constant reminder to all and sundry as to why not to vote Labor.

CoodaShooda 1st Mar 2014 00:44

Cue the great unanswered question of our times

"What has labor done to warrant your support?" :E

500N 1st Mar 2014 02:29

From the Age article re the returning troops parade in Darwin !

It's good that he rearranged his time to go, shows a bit of leadership
but WTF wasn't he going anyway ? Sending troops OS is a bi partisan
thing anyway, I would have thought it would have been the right thing
to do regardless, especially since Abbott seems to have won over the ADF.

The mind boggles at how these Pollies come to make decisions.


"Mr Shorten's 11th hour decision to attend personally is being interpreted among service personnel in the Top End as a positive gesture.

It follows friction between Labor and the uniformed services caused by Senator Conroy last week when he used a parliamentary inquiry to accuse the Commander of Operation Sovereign Borders, Lt General Angus Campbell of participating in “a political cover-up”.

Fairfax Media understands Mr Shorten, aware of the ill-feeling generated by the Conroy controversy, was eager to mend fences and ensure Australian defence force personnel were in no doubt as to the strength of bipartisan support for their efforts.
Accordingly Mr Shorten was able to re-arrange his affairs and hastily boarded the last Jetstar flight from Melbourne to arrive in the Top End late Friday.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/welcome-back-pm-greets-diggers-in-darwin-20140301-33seb.html#ixzz2ug5tkb3S"

7x7 1st Mar 2014 04:00

Re Stephen Conroy's intemperate remarks to Gen. Campbell: I think most commentators are missing the point. Conroy achieved exactly what he was looking to achieve with those remarks. The report on the deplorable results of his 'red underpants' brainchild, the NBN, was about to be released. It was damning of Conroy's stewardship in the extreme - 3% coverage for a 7 billion (that's BILLION!!!) dollar outlay, and many of the 'lucky' 3% complaining that it is giving them major problems and poor delivery.

Apparently, Conroy's NBN experts did not buy anywhere near enough satellite bandwidth [maybe not the right word] - about a quarter of what's required, but you'd hope that with only 3% of potential customers on board, that would not yet be an issue. If it is, the amount of bandwidth they've bought is considerably less than a quarter of what's required.

So how many punters out there know anything of this? Not too many, I'd be guessing, for the ever-obliging MSM concentrated on the insult to Gen. Campbell and completely ignored the NBN report.

Mission accomplished, and very successfully, as far as Conroy is concerned.

Captain Sand Dune 1st Mar 2014 04:34

I think you give Conroy too much credit.

Pinky the pilot 1st Mar 2014 10:30

I give Lt General Campbell full credit for self discipline and restraint.:ok:

If it were of me that Senator Conroy had spoken those ill advised words I would have arranged for a private meeting between Sen. Conroy and some former members of a certain Regiment.:eek:


Conroy achieved exactly what he was looking to achieve with those remarks. The report on the deplorable results of his 'red underpants' brainchild, the NBN, was about to be released. It was damning of Conroy's stewardship in the extreme -
Exactly. Politics writ large.:*

CoodaShooda 1st Mar 2014 11:52

I agree with 7x7.
Conroy had a brain snap at Zikowski (sp?), calling him a liar, at an earlier hearing where Z released the stats on the NBN's non performance under Conroy.

$7 billion to achieve 3% of the target. Even allowing for start up costs, that's not too flash.

He was looking to distract the media - and succeeded to a point. But he didn't think through the consequences of his actions.

I don't doubt Turnbull will raise the NBN issue again, once the media are prepared to listen.

Conroy is a dead politician walking, unless Shorten gets chopped first.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Mar 2014 19:30


"Mr Shorten's 11th hour decision to attend personally is being interpreted among service personnel in the Top End as a positive gesture.
Good that he finally went, but jeez he looked like a knucklehead on the Channel 7 news, when they asked him why he changed his mind. He failed to answer the question three times, then accused them of not listening to his non-answers. :ugh: What's wrong with saying 'I listened to the people, changed my mind and I'm so glad I came'? It was like a horrible, horrible Rudd flashback. :{

And I'm normally a fan.

That said, I don't think he's going anywhere. Albo showed that he hasn't got the numbers and IME Shorten's reasonably popular with supporters. No-one else stands out except Pilbersek and I don't think the ALP is very keen on Labor Left female leaders at the moment, even if they carry a 95% majority in their seat and the combined political skill-set of Chifley, Hawke and Mahatma Ghandi. :E:}

500N 1st Mar 2014 19:34

Agree he looked a knucklehead.

He should have just kept his mouth shut and been seen.

Takan Inchovit 1st Mar 2014 19:37


He should have just kept his mouth shut and been seen.
Nah, then he would be seen as lying. :E

Andu 1st Mar 2014 19:44


He was looking to distract the media - and succeeded to a point. But he didn't think through the consequences of his actions.
I can't agree entirely with the second part of your comment, Cooda. To me, it's a clear indication of the utter contempt people like Conroy (and Smith; and Gillard; and Rudd; and...) have for the military. I don't believe he gave a second thought to any damage his planned distraction would do to his standing with the military, because he wouldn't lose a second of his precious time considering his standing with the military.

Forty years ago, a majority of the Australian population under the age of fifty probably would have shared his view (some won't remember, but we were all 'baby killers' back then). However, thankfully, that attitude seems to have changed somewhat - although, as welcome as the Darwin parade was, I'd like to see a bigger 'welcome home/well done' parade for the Afghan veterans in Sydney and/or Melbourne within the next few months rather than fifteen years after the event, as it was for the Vietnam veterans.

Sydney probably doesn't have time for a parade for our veterans. Too busy with closing off half its city streets staging the Gay Mardi Gras.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Mar 2014 19:58


Too busy with closing off half its city streets staging the Gay Mardi Gras.
I'm sure there's room for both (though probably not on the same day, that could get very ugly :ouch::}). However, I agree re the generational change from the Hanoi Jane era compared to now. Smith et al haven't realised that the oldies never bought it, the middlies have changed their minds and the youngies don't understand it. Haranguing the military is now deeply unpopular with most people, and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably spending too much time at Party/Union/University function. :suspect:

I say harranguing rather than criticising, because there are times when the military both deserves and needs criticism. The recent 'what part of no frat don't you understand' debacle at ADFA and its subsequent handling is an example of this. Any organization has failures and room for improvement, and the ADF is no different. Nor should it be immune from public criticism, because otherwise it becomes unaccountable. However, the criticsm should be polite, objective and based on facts rather than foundless accusations.

owen meaney 1st Mar 2014 20:55


No-one else stands out except Pilbersek
Tanya is the outstanding politician on the Oppositions Front Bench IMHO
As a fan I have noticed her abxence from the media recently
Only Shorton and Albanese fronting.

CoodaShooda 1st Mar 2014 21:08

We aren't in disagreement, Andu.

I was referring to the political implications for the labor party's public image in general and dropping Shorten into it, in particular.

Shorten and Conroy are not friends. Their alliance is based on keeping Plibersek out.

Andu 1st Mar 2014 22:47


Their alliance is based on keeping Plibersek out.
Good article by Samantha Maiden on that topic today in the Sunday Telegraph.

CoodaShooda 1st Mar 2014 22:50

That was quick. It usually takes journos a couple of days to pick up on what we're discussing here. :E

Captain Sand Dune 1st Mar 2014 22:55

So Labour may have gotten rid of Rudd and Gillard, however they still hold the ADF in contempt and continue to squabble among themselves, ie no change then. Keep it up, d*ckheads.

500N 1st Mar 2014 23:05


Good article by Samantha Maiden on that topic today in the Sunday Telegraph.
That is a good article and not just about tanya.

What else she said also says a lot.


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