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bob johns 13th May 2012 14:21

bob johns
 
Further to my previous post when the Red Wh--E and the Whine Swine get the flick they will more than likely be appointed to the UN as Australian delegates ,get their snouts firmly into the trough of international largesse and make more mischief for Australia than they do now. This will continue to occur until Australia stops this mob of parasites interfering in Australias domestic affairs. The UN . Sink of corruption, at worst,traveling cocktail party at best and somehing we cant bloody well afford.

sisemen 13th May 2012 14:38

That scenario is hardly likely Bob.

For a start Rudd has got his feet so far under that table that it would take dynamite to remove him and, given his enmity with Gillard and Swan, he's hardly likely to let either of them take a UN role - and the Coalition will undoubtedly accede to his wishes.

What is more likely is that the pair of them will "retire" to the roles that they do best in a more "civilian" environment. McDonalds will undoubtedly welcome Swanny's expertise at the drive through counter and Gillard will obviously do well as the mail clerk at the Ministry of Incompetence. However, the danger is that it may extend the personal qualities of the pair.

bob johns 13th May 2012 15:07

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siseman . thanks for that ,but Why do we need , clapped out ,embittered ex pollies doing ANY thing at That Sewer(sorry, UN ) we dont need that shower of shit dictating to us, who would be one of the best countries in the world(or at least it was when I was growing up)before Goofy and political correctness fcuked this place up. This place is wide open to a take over;or a give up and hope it dont hurt too much . Ill bet the old Diggers will be spinning in their graves if they could see the gutless surrender of ,our principles, our culture , and , god forbid, our nation .--Rant over

Clare Prop 13th May 2012 15:52

Abbott's reply to the budget.



ABC iview

Lex Talionis 14th May 2012 02:26


Pauline Hanson and David Etteridge were GAOLED ( and subsequently aquitted ----charges quashed as WRONG )
Bob just to clarify things a little.

Were you in favour of Pauline Hanson being GAOLED [sic] or that she was later acquitted?

and this unmitigated filth continues to infest our leadership (?) A pox on the lot of them.!
By this statement are you referring to the extent Mr Abbott had to play in the downfall of Pauline Hanson or the denial from Mr Abbott that he was not involved with any financial deal to support legal action against Pauline Hanson.
Bob you might want to read this article
It seems as though several Liberals keep changing their mind when being questioned as to the veracity of their statements.
Howard Minister Mal Brough like current opposition member Pyne have changed their recollection of events when questioned as well.
Bob I agree with you that the standards of politics in this country is abysmal but that it is on both sides of politics and not just the ALP.

My fear is that when Labor loses the next election and Mr Abbott is the PM it will be a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire for all of us.

sisemen 14th May 2012 02:31

Well, at least we'll be charred and not covered in boiling oil.

Lex Talionis 14th May 2012 02:33


Well, at least we'll be charred and not covered in boiling oil.
More like cremated if Mr Abbott continues as he has done since he entered politics.

Howard Hughes 14th May 2012 02:45


Don't fret. It'll be a case of out of the frying pan and into the cool stream of responsible government.
Unless of course Mr Abbott gets into Government, realises what a fine stream of funds the carbon tax provides and then renegs on his promise!:eek:

We'll be right back where we started...;)

Lex Talionis 14th May 2012 03:04


We'll be right back where we started...
Spot on Howard and as we all know about Mr Abbotts idea of core and non core promises which is a little trick he learnt from his old Boss JH.

Mr Abbott has a lot of money to find for his promises and as yet he has not told us where he will get the money from just as he failed to do in the run up to the last election.

Andu 14th May 2012 04:33

Can you enlighten me, Lex? Why the (sic) after 'GAOLED'? American spell checker?

Meanwhile, yet another boat arrived yesterday, taking it to over 560 for the week. WaY-ne's soopa budget was factored on an irregular immigrant arrival rate of 450 a month.

Edited to ad: Oops, sorry, I'm guilty if hyperbowl :) . It's 556 (according to the Andrew Bolt bl*g) or 472 "in less than a week" according to the article below. Maybe the "over 560" figure I heard on the radio included crew?

Flow of illegal boats to Australia becomes an armada | thetelegraph.com.au


THIS year is shaping up as the biggest ever for illegal boat arrivals after the navy yesterday intercepted the fifth vessel in six days.

The arrival of 99 asylum seekers and two crew northeast of Christmas Island came less than 24 hours after a vessel carrying 60 people was intercepted north-northwest of Ashmore Island.

Including the arrival of 311 people on three boats last Sunday, that means 472 asylum seekers and crew have been caught trying to reach Australian shores in less than a week.

So far this year, 35 boats have arrived, carrying 2753 people. The calendar year record, set in 2010, is 6889.

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said 2012 was " trending as the biggest ever for arrivals".

"This financial year is already the largest on record with over 5800 people arriving - with seven weeks still to go," he said.

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen again blamed the opposition, saying the latest vessel was the 30th since the Coalition refused the government's offer to work together to stop the flow.

RJM 14th May 2012 04:51


My fear is that when Labor loses the next election and Mr Abbott is the PM it will be a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire for all of us.
Lex, I read your posts. You make some good points and some bad, and I think you sell Abbott short. Ignore the mantra that Abbott is an unpopular, negative idiot who has a problem with women, and consider his recent budget in reply speech as evidence of his suitability for the job of PM.


You probably won't enjoy it, but ignore the 'hear hear's and compare the substance of it with Gillard's usual efforts, which are full of attacks on Abbott and tactical pleas and denials aimed at recovering a few votes.


GAOLED [sic]
'gaol' (UK) = 'jail' (US)

bob johns 14th May 2012 05:14

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Both sides of politics had blood on their hands over the gaoling of Hanson and Etteridge. Not a good look for either side and particularly Beattie and his tame judge (I would bet that there would never be a Royal Commission into that)To what amounted to them being Australias first political prisoners. The purpose of my post was not to discuss those two but to emphasise what I percieve to be a double standard when ALP pollies get caught with their pants down hand in the till or whatever crime or perversion they get caught in (and god only knows how many more that aint been caught yet) any one remember All Grassby and how Goofy put out a trough for him when he got the flick from his seat ? I hate to say it but I too am afraid that the incoming govt wont be able to help themselves with the cash inflow from the carbon tax we have just got to hold them to their promise to repeal it ,any way the way this shower of sh!t in CB are going they might not last long enough to seeit in ( I wish)

Lex Talionis 14th May 2012 05:43

Bob,I could not agree more that we are being let down by politicians from both sides but my point here is to show that Mr Abbott is just as duplicitous as Gillard and any other politician.

We will not be out of the woods when Labor is thrown out,not by a long shot.The problem here is that so many only see the problem as belonging to the ALP and that Mr Abbott is some kind of saviour and above the same kind of tricks that we see on a day to day basis.
Mr Abbott has been caught out many times yet all I see here is that only Labor is guilty of this sort of behaviour.

Unrepentant yesterday when he spoke to the Herald, Abbott now says sorry for responding to Deborah Snow's request for the reason he lied to the ABC with: "Misleading the ABC is not quite the same as misleading the parliament as a political crime."

Abbott last night: "It is not acceptable to mislead the public. I should not have responded flippantly to the SMH's question and I am sorry that I did so."
I too am unimpressed with the performance of the ALP but cannot see any difference in the opposition.
RJM,can you explain to me why so many people were unimpressed with Mr Abbots reply to the budget apart from you and his being caught out not telling the truth on a number of occasions.
So many here delight in being critical of Gillard,her accent,her whatever but the thought of Abbott walking around representing us is a nightmare.

The problem is that the only real alternative to Abbott is Hockey and I admire his attempts to stop the constant muckraking but in a lot of ways he is a lot like Peter Costello in that I don't think he has the fortitude to put his hand up for the job.

The other problem here is that so many seem to be content to forget the recent past.They will go on and on about Peter Slipper and the way it is being handled by Gillard and what she is doing to save herself.

The problem is that they will not want to remember the Mal Colston affair.

The Liberals lured Labor's Mal Colston to rat in the Senate with the offer of the deputy president's job. Colston accepted, but was forced to stand down from the chair when his former party brought allegations of rorting his travel allowances against him.

But unlike Slipper in the House of Representatives, Colston still had a vote in the Senate. For a while Howard virtuously rejected it, but then found he needed it and grabbed it – at a time when Colston, unlike Slipper or Thomson, had actually been charged with defrauding the government and was awaiting trial.

Howard's excuse? Well, the man was entitled to the presumption of innocence, wasn't he?

Andu,RJM,Sisemen any sense of déjà vu gentlemen ? :E

sisemen 14th May 2012 09:02


Andu,RJM,Sisemen any sense of déjà vu gentlemen
Nah. Seen it all before.


We will not be out of the woods when Labor is thrown out,not by a long shot
And why would that be Lex? Mayhap because this shower of scheissen has led us so far into the woods that it will be bloody difficult to get out of them?


I too am unimpressed with the performance of the ALP
Certainly not what you, your previous incarnations or your compatriots were used to saying.

CoodaShooda 14th May 2012 09:31

Lex
Just out of interest, what has labor done to earn your apparent support?

I have significant reservations about a liberal government's potential to deliver; particularly when you factor in the level of debt they will inherit.

But to allow labor to continue to grow the debt while using the loans to buy votes just makes no sense to me.

Lex Talionis 14th May 2012 10:11


And why would that be Lex? Mayhap because this shower of scheissen has led us so far into the woods that it will be bloody difficult to get out of them?
It's simple sisemen,the scheißen as you so eloquently put it inhabits the opposition to the same degree as it does the ALP.That's what I meant by the cliche of 'Out of the frying pan and into the fire'.
I've given a number of examples of Liberal politicians not telling the truth to the same degree as you say the ALP does but most here tend to ignore those facts and instead ask why I support Labor.
The answer is that I don't support Labor and if you had read my previous posts you would see that.

Andu,RJM,Sisemen any sense of déjà vu gentlemen
Nah. Seen it all before.
So you do remember the Mal Colston affair :E

I have significant reservations about a liberal government's potential to deliver; particularly when you factor in the level of debt they will inherit.
Just out of interest Cooda,what would you do if the budget is in surplus?
I don't know if it will but for a moment assume that it is.
What will you do then?
Would you support a government that has turned a deficit into a surplus even if it was a Labor government?
Can you explain the difference between the Mal Colston affair and the Peter Slipper debacle?

But to allow labor to continue to grow the debt while using the loans to buy votes just makes no sense to me.
Cooda,what government does not buy votes with a budget?

Abbott tried to do it at the last election and he is still promising things to a certain section of the community which support the Liberals.

My point is as it has been all through my life is to vote for the party that will be the least damaging because in my experience they are all in it for themselves.

Andu 14th May 2012 11:05

Lex, I don't think I'm the only one by a long shot on the right wing reactionary side of politics who would be very - make that extremely - happy if Tony Abbott put himself in front of a microphone tomorrow and said something along the lines of: "Because of the size of the debt we will inherit from Labor, (or pick any excuse - or, (gasp!), don't even make one), I have to break a policy promise that I made earlier. Australia cannot afford my promised full pay maternity leave plan so I withdraw this promise."

HotDog 14th May 2012 11:53


My point is as it has been all through my life is to vote for the party that will be the least damaging because in my experience they are all in it for themselves.
You have obviously got it wrong last time.:ugh:

RJM 14th May 2012 12:22


...the thought of Abbott walking around representing us is a nightmare.
Yeah? How about the nightmare of the leader of the Greens getting her paws anywhere near the levers of power? Remember that Gillard gave the Greens $10 billion to...er...well, $10 billion not to support the Libs. :rolleyes:



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