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RJM 21st Jan 2014 11:26

Queenslanders have always had a penchant for the heavy hand, IMHO.

In 1975, I was one of a rowing crew of five who drove to Qld towing our boat and tent.

At the rowing event, at one stage the guy on the loudspeaker asked spectators to keep clear of the competitors' area. It seemed a casual enough request. 5 minutes later, he repeated the request, adding, 'We don't want to have to bring the police in'.

That surprised me. Then the same threat was made to us when we were asked at 2am to move on from a caravan park where we'd stopped late the previous evening. The problem was that we had a boat on a trailer and a tent, but no caravan. 'Just until morning,' we asked, but no. The park was for caravans only, not tents. Get out or we call the police.

Certainly in 1975, the police in Qld seemed never far from anyone who wanted anything done.

Fliegenmong 21st Jan 2014 11:31

Certainly in 1975, the police in Qld seemed never far from anyone who wanted anything done.

So you have made the obvious connection the RJM? :hmm:

Ethel the Aardvark 21st Jan 2014 12:52

Can you leave me and my knitting club out of this please.
I had my heavy duty size 11 needles confiscated at the brisbane bingo club only the other day,

RJM 21st Jan 2014 13:32

Ah, JB-P and his bent coppers, Fliegs - but the locals seemed unsurprised, while we from the lawless south felt a bit uncomfortable about the cops being everyone's go-to just to solve minor problems.

Airey Belvoir 21st Jan 2014 14:03

Watched an old episode of New Tricks on ABC tonight - I didn't realise that Honor Blackman had landed a long-term acting job as our Gov General.


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Airey Belvoir 21st Jan 2014 14:23

And just for Fliegs' benefit....http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/evil.gif



I suppose any 'journalistic' / media outlet that doesn't tow the LNP line

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500N 21st Jan 2014 16:00

When we first came to Aus (1978), Pom and Wog were two very common words. Now, hardly ever here Wog but as someone else said, you still here Pom. Kiwis seem to still cop it as well :O

RJM - Thanks for those figures, very interesting.
In a few months every Gov't in Australia is likely to be a Liberal Gov't !


Since the GG was mentioned, we must be close to an announcement of the new GG, the only bit I have seen was over Xmas where General Peter Cosgrove kept getting a mention.

Bikie Laws article.
I thought it was a good article put in laymans terms. It does seem a bit JB-P era.

500N 21st Jan 2014 16:56

Well, it seems we now state the obvious !
They must love it when a plan comes together :O

Defence experts are playing down tensions over Australia's accidental breaches of Indonesia's waters and say Jakarta's vow to boost its southern sea patrols could even work in Australia's favour.

"A greater Indonesian navy presence in the seas south of Java would actually increase their responsibility for patrolling for asylum-seeker vessels heading off from their territory, a Defence source said.

Benjamin Schreer, a senior analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, who has written on Indonesia's military, said Jakarta's tough language was aimed largely at a domestic political audience.
There was little chance of escalation or miscalculation by commanders on the seas because the two countries' navies knew each other well thanks to past joint-exercises and personal networking between officers.
''The protocols are well-established,'' he said. ''I also think there is sufficient trust established between these two navies who actually know each other quite well.
''You can even see it in a positive light and say the greater presence of Indonesian ships in the area means they can work with us on monitoring ship movements.''"


Naval breach: Australia could gain from increased Indonesian patrolling

500N 21st Jan 2014 17:03

"I didn't realise that Honor Blackman had landed a long-term acting job as our Gov General."

As long as you don't call the GG by Honor Blackmans other name ;)
She would not be impressed !


Interesting dit re the GG I the book by mark Donaldson VC, The Crossroad.
He had to cancel his honeymoon to go and get his VC in Canberra and after
he got it, the GG had heard about the canceled honeymoon and said to him
that she was away in Afghanistan for the following week so he and his family
could stay in the Queens suite at Gov't House, staff and all for the week since it was empty.
"There'll be no one here" and to "treat it like your own" !!!

Now that is an offer than not many people would ever have received
or taken up.

Andu 21st Jan 2014 18:44

Airey, can I assume you switched captions on the Barbie/Honour pics on purpose?

Fleigs, I couldn't let a comment you made on the last page go unremarked.


being ex military, campby is most unsuited to a leadership role in the general populace..
That might go down well in your highly educhaded latte-sipping inner ciddy circles, but in (dare I call it) the real world, perhaps not so well.

Re the reports that an increased Indonesian Navy presence south of Java, (brought about by that "we've been brought to the very brink of all out war!!!" incident precipitated by those "incompetent" RAN sailors or a "cowboy" Tony Abbott that Ethel told us all about in outraged tones), could it be that someone in Canberra - and in the current Government, not the Labar Pardee - might have got something right?

Over to you for your reading of that particular situation, Ethel...

Just lucky, were they, with this "obviously unintended consequence"?

500N 21st Jan 2014 18:51

If you want an understanding of the Australian and Indo military ties,
reading General Jim Molans book gives a good insight.

He was Defence Attache twice in Indonesia and the links and personal relationships between him and many senior officers were a help when we
went into Timor.

So you can bet that plenty of personal phone calls can and do occur
between the higher ups of each Defence Force, probably something
the Labor pardee forgets.

Plus we train a fair few of the Indonesian Officers.

Worrals in the wilds 21st Jan 2014 21:55


Seems like the Labour party unionist are supporting criminal bikie gangs in Qld now and are planning to splurge hard earned members funds to fight Newman's new laws. I thought that money was for supporting the workers. Typical leftie ideals to crap all over the things that made them.
If you are an MUA member and you disagree, feel free to ring them and say so. If you're not a member then it's really not your business ;).

The LNP love running the 'members should be outraged' line, which apparent concern contrasts with their general disdain for unions and their members :bored:.

The Qld government is proposing to deny trade certificates to 'associates' of bikies. An associate is determined by whatever the coppers feel like at the time. This will deny people the ability to work in their trade even if they've committed no offences and can't even be proven to be a member of an OMG.

That is why the trade unions are getting involved; to protect their members' ability to work. Newman and Bleige have gone absolutely troppo with power over the whole bikie thing, and the coppers are even worse. Even Joh's government weren't this dumb. Joh was, but fortunately he had some good people around him. These two are bozos, and they're surrounded by even more bozos.

500N 21st Jan 2014 22:01

I am not normally a supporter of Unions but agree with you Worrals.

"That is why the trade unions are getting involved; to protect their members' ability to work. Newman and Bleige have gone absolutely troppo with power over the whole bikie thing, and the coppers are even worse. Even Joh's government weren't this dumb. Joh was, but fortunately he had some good people around him. These two are bozos, and they're surrounded by even more bozos."

And by the old 200 rule, especially now social networks are around,
word will spread far and wide very quickly, a lot faster than in the past.

IMHO, it can be single things like this that makes people do a mental switch
and cost Gov'ts power at the next election.

Takan Inchovit 21st Jan 2014 22:30

If supporting or associating with organised crims is deemed permissible in the unions (read labour party) then that shows us all where their real loyalties lie. Notice how the bikies have been infiltrating footy clubs down south?

I'd rather have jackboots outside my door than a bikie thug waiting to collect a debt.

Give em heaps I say.

Disclaimer: Dont go thinking I am Newman supporter either. The major parties are not empathetic to our local issues unless it is in the southeast corner.

500N 21st Jan 2014 22:49

Takan

I am not saying don't give them heaps but plenty of ways to do it
without pissing everyone off and doing it that it actually achieves
something.

ie The Tax man having a close look at things has paid big dividends
according to some reports and hits the crims / bikies right where it
hurts, in the hip pocket.

I do agree with stopping them and searching them because it stops
them "carrying" et al. But as the article says, denying them the right
to be a tradey then puts added pressure on them to turn to more crime.

chuboy 21st Jan 2014 22:58

Takan: I don't suppose you heard about the bloke who's ended up in the watch house for associating with criminal bikie gangs... He was delivering them a pizza. No, that is not a joke.

Consider whether you might be blinded by hatred for "the unions".

parabellum 21st Jan 2014 23:23


they need more like that in their cricket team
.


As the Australian cricket team more and more resemble the cosseted prima donnas in the English Football Premier League that remark is a bit rich!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif


And when it comes to dishing out thick lips let us not forget that it was that Australian hero, Warner, who picked on the smallest and youngest member of the English team to take a swing at in a Manchester pub!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/tongue.gif


As far as the Jesuit's article is concerned then if he isn't prepared to accept that the majority of illegals who turn up by boat, with out papers, are frauds he is obviously on a different planet and his writings are pointless, a frequently found problem with today's clergy.

Airey Belvoir 22nd Jan 2014 00:00


Airey, can I assume you switched captions on the Barbie/Honour pics on purpose?
Standard fare for Private Eye! "Are they in any way related. I think we should be told"


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500N 22nd Jan 2014 00:02

This is one group of Asylum seekers you can now be sure will never make it to Australia, even if they apply though normal channels.

Interesting photos of the "burn" injuries and bruise and funny place for a bruise
from kicking.

Look very much like rowing / paddle burst blisters to me like I have had
in the past.

African asylum seekers say Australian navy tortured them

Takan Inchovit 22nd Jan 2014 00:11


But as the article says, denying them the right
to be a tradey then puts added pressure on them to turn to more crime.
I consider they are being denied the 'right' to be a bikie or gang member, not a tradie. Ultimately the individuals decision and tough titties if they want to be with the crims.

It is mind-boggling how supposed average citizens are using minor inconveniences to their lives as an excuse to rally support for the crims and also a union which is leftist biased).

Chuboy, not so much as hatred, but severe distrust ... and with good reason. Maybe Pizza places will be next on Newmans hit list.

Sorry Para. I dont watch soccer ...and the pom probably deserved it. :p

Have to go, heard a Harley pull up outside.


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