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MTOW 26th Dec 2013 01:30

War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
 
...to continue when/if we become a republic? It would save a lot of argy bargy about who should get the (purely ceremonial) gig.

alisoncc 26th Dec 2013 01:41


And long may that procedure continue, ex Head of Armed Forces, long enough to become a tradition.
And if he does a "John Kerr" and removes the government, we could have a peaceful coup with the military running the country.

Ken Borough 26th Dec 2013 01:59


. And long may that procedure continue, ex Head of Armed Forces, long enough to become a tradition.

Why, and why?

I'd have thought the last thing we need is an ex military type as HoS. What attributes make them better than others, apart from blind adherence to instructions/orders, right or wrong? At least the Cosgrove rumour is better - but only just - than the earlier suggestion that the next G-G would be an ex MP whose name is unspeakable in polite society!

Captain Sand Dune 26th Dec 2013 02:34

Looks like you've answered your own question, Ken.

rh200 26th Dec 2013 02:38


we could have a peaceful coup with the military running the country.
Actually that would be an ex, and I don't think they can run the country, I think they have to appoint someone else until elections.


I'd have thought the last thing we need is an ex military type as HoS. What attributes make them better than others, apart from blind adherence to instructions/orders, right or wrong?
I'm glad you asked that question, and I think you answered your own.

In effect the position is a nothing position, that has only any real meaning if it comes down to a, hopefully extremely rare set of circumstances, and have to intervene.

What this means, is staying above the politics regardless of your personal feelings and political leanings, no matter how passionate you may feel about a situation. This can be extremely hard for most people to achieve.

The military, although not immune to basic human instincts, rely on doing your duty even to the point of having to die because of it, regardless of what your personal feelings are on the particular situation. Its only in extreme, and hopefully well defined situations they get a choice. They spend the vast amount of their lives following that docterine.

I personally can't think of people more qualified to do the job. That doesn't mean someone else can't do a better job, or someone from the military won't be biased, your just rolling the dice in you favor that they will.

7x7 26th Dec 2013 02:53

You make some very good points very well, rh200. However, I can't see it ever getting up, however sensible it might be. (I like the way it would 'de-politicise' the selection, a point that worries quite a few thinking people.)

The loony Left, led by the likes of GetUp! and the Greens, would foam at their collective mouths at the very thought of such a (in their minds) "obvious Right Wing reactionary" as a retired military man occupying such a post.

Ken Borough 26th Dec 2013 02:54

I've not answered my questions at all. In fact, I've asked more. What I did say was that the ex-General would be better than a certain ex-MP.

Takan Inchovit 26th Dec 2013 06:40


What I did say was that the ex-General would be better than a certain ex-MP.
So you dont think Jooles is up to the task?

alisoncc 26th Dec 2013 07:01

How about Kevin for GG.

rh200 26th Dec 2013 07:33


How about Kevin for GG.
:eek::eek::eek::ugh:

Thanks for that constructive input:p was after an example of the type of person we wouldn't want, I'd prefer Julia.

Kevin would always be trying to interfere, because he knows best and its all about him. He might actually be apolitical, and would try to sack any government who didn't implament his policy's.

Worrals in the wilds 26th Dec 2013 11:09


So you dont think Jooles is up to the task?
How about Kevin for GG.
What is this, Scary Movie 6? :ouch::ugh:
I mean seriously, let's just not go there. :suspect:. General Cos for GG; uber respectable and everyone likes him. If he actually wants it this time I reckon he'd be great. He also did a fabulous job in North Queensland after Cyclone Larry :ok:.

As for the pollies, from both sides of the House...thanks for coming, we'll be in touch.. :E We've got your number and email address written down right here. :} surely there are enough cushy jobs available for ex-pollies already without adding G-G to the list. Also, by the time they become ex-pollies everyone's already sick to death of them. :}

Deaf 28th Dec 2013 01:44


General Cos for GG; uber respectable and everyone likes him.
As a Qantas director since 2005 he has to have some responsibility for the current circus

Ken Borough 28th Dec 2013 01:57

Judging by the philosophy of many who post here, I've concluded that there are present a lot of people who served in the Armed Forces. Am I right or wrong?

Declaration: I spent a couple of years a few decades ago in the School Cadet Corp - that's been my only connection with 'The Military' apart from some contact in my professional life as a civil civilian.:ok:

CoodaShooda 28th Dec 2013 03:48

Sorry, Ken

I hold Centre Left views despite declining an invitation to join the RAAF many years ago, my grandfather being the second man in Sydney to enlist in WW1 and following on in WW2, my eldest son having served in the Army, my daughter having been Cabin Manager on the Defence charters between Darwin and Dubai and my youngest son recently graduating from ADFA as a RAAF Pilot Officer. :E

Captain Sand Dune 28th Dec 2013 04:52


Judging by the philosophy of many who post here, I've concluded that there are present a lot of people who served in the Armed Forces. Am I right or wrong?
Yep!! Joined 1980, was out for 7 years (the grass on the other side of the fence needed too much mowing) and re-joined.

What I did say was that the ex-General would be better than a certain ex-MP.
G'wan!!!! Don't keep us in suspense there Ken!

Ken Borough 28th Dec 2013 05:17

Cooda - no need to apologise. In fact, no one needs to apologise for the views they hold! Not only that, they should be respected for being strong enough to put them, often in the face of ad hominen attack. I'm probably just to the left of centre like you but it seems to me that there's a trend to the Right by ex-military types. Don't get me wrong: I'm simply making an observation rather than criticism. :ok:

Capt SD, I was referring to an erstwhile but unlamented Member for Bennelong. His spouse in her role as wife of the Governor-General would have been insufferable. The APS in Canberra had a special name for her. :rolleyes:

Captain Sand Dune 28th Dec 2013 05:41

Don't think you've got anything to worry about there.

My first memory of the republican debate was when PK was PM, which now makes me think that having ex-pollies as a GG is akin to allowing the fox to guard the chook shed.

Clare Prop 28th Dec 2013 06:42

Only one option, or is it three options?


Airey Belvoir 28th Dec 2013 07:25

Clare - one old Queen as head of State is enough - we don't want another http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/evil.gif


Yep. I've done my time in the armed forces - 30 years - but that doesn't automatically make me a right wing "misogynist nut job". I would be very, very wary about making such generalisations Ken.


There may well be some well to the right of centre but most of the comment on this and previous threads was a result of an early realisation that the expectation of a Rudd led utopia was a crock which was only made worse by Gillard.


The political test is an old one but every time I do it it comes out left of centre, if a smidge on the authoritarian side (that's probably the military background). Here's my result. You can test yours on:


The Political Compass - Test


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CoodaShooda 28th Dec 2013 09:22

Thanks for reviving that link, Airey.

I'm apparently either Ghandi or the Dalai Lama, which might surprise some of our contributors. :E

Ken
Had Ms's Gillard and Roxon had their way, expressing a personal viewpoint would have become an illegal act.


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