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I16 21st Dec 2013 10:46

My new friend tells me tonight that "it is now very good that someone in government is now listening to what the people say"
About time I replied who are they?
"Le Spooks" she said.

bosnich71 21st Dec 2013 11:10

So, 116, the "spooks" weren't listening for the past 6 years then ?

Worrals in the wilds 21st Dec 2013 11:18


Just Remember, it was Labor that made more and more people right wing !
And Howard's government made more and more people left wing, as is (IMO) the Newman Government in Queensland. I've heard a surprising number of normally apolitical people express concern about the state government's approach to the law, environmental issues and public service cuts; people who normally don't give a toss about anything newsworthy except footy.


The problem is that one hand we have the greenies who want us to live on lentils and tofu burgers and live in caves.

On the other hand we have big business and developers who want a casino and shopping centre every 500 metres and try to track us with our mobile phones as we walk around.
Mitch, agreed. The political wheel of fortune...:8
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Both sides get into a rut and start to think they are answerable to their political masters; be they big business on one side or the unions/lefty ideologists on the other. Of course this isn't true; ultimately both sides are answerable to the electorate :cool:. When they really forget that, a landslide loss is the outcome. Labor under Gillard/Rudd and the Libs under Howard learned this the hard way :ouch:.

Currently the Libs are in favour, at least federally. At a state level (in Qld) I'd say they've spun the wheel a bit too hard and freaked a lot of reasonable people out with their 'we're in charge here so get stuffed' approach, particularly wrt law enforcement. With a by-election imminent in Redcliffe, time will tell which way the wheel is turning.
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galdian 21st Dec 2013 21:01

Whilst always reading these pages (with pleasure and amusement) I seldom post, HOWEVER:

- I find it amazing that the destruction caused by Labor over 6 years (lets emphasise that...6 YEARS!) is still being downplayed or minimised by many, the recent "revelations" of the true state of monetary affairs (whilst standard political "we didn't know it would be THIS bad" practiced by both sides) should silence once and for all any who try to defend the 6 years as anything other than pandering gross incompetence;

- in less that 4 months (lets emphasise that...4 MONTHS!) there are those who write off TA as unelectable as has "done nothing", the fact he has 3.5 years to do SOMETHING, maybe even many multiple SOMETHINGS that may be noteworthy IMHO makes talk of his "failure" a tad premature.

And apparently some think Bill Shorten is the answer!! :eek:

If Bill Shorten is the answer I'd hate to hear what the f**king question was. :}

Besides - Bills too busy cleaning all the blood off his hands - apparently when you have SO MUCH over so long a period it soaks in and is a real bugger to remove! :ok:

Andu 21st Dec 2013 21:44

I hope we see your input more regularly, galdrian. I'm with you 100% on the bill Shorten enigma. If he's the answer to any question, WTF could that question possibly be? (With the possible exception of a no longer young woman telling a copper at a line up: "That's him; number three; the one with the big... forehead".)

Re Tony Abbott: like it or not, we've been conditioned - since Whitlam with his "Cabinet of Two" (does anyone remember Lance Barnard?) - to a new government coming in swinging with both fists to undo the ills (as it perceives them) of the previous government. I wish Tony Abbott well if he thinks he can re-educate us all to accepting a gentler or more subtle unravelling. However, his apparent efforts to be "a Prime Minister to all", to include that section of society who will never accept him whatever he does, seems (to me at least) ill-advised.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" might be a good truism in politics, but, as I've said repeatedly here, perception is hugely important. Giving Greg Combet a job leaves me gasping, and Natasha Spot-Destroyer, (sic) only somewhat less so. If he's getting all his ducks arrayed carefully in line before letting loose with both barrels at point blank range (perhaps when the current Senate is no more), I'll be the first to eat humble pie and congratulate him.

However, his apparent unwillingness to show the talking heads, senior management and the board at the ABC that they have strayed - and continue to stray - well outside the bounds of their charter as a national broadcaster does not fill me with confidence that such a plan is actually in place.

I can't tell you how much I hope I'm proven to be wrong.

parabellum 21st Dec 2013 23:44


If he's getting all his ducks arrayed carefully in line before letting loose with both barrels at point blank range (perhaps when the current Senate is no more), I'll be the first to eat humble pie and congratulate him.

I think waiting until the Senate has been cleaned up is his only option, better to leave the ALP impotent than have them trump every piece of legislation proposed?


I think the ABC will get it's comeuppance, right now they are being allowed to work through their internal procedures, eliminating any prospect of them screaming 'foul' when the final action comes and heads roll, hope so, anyway!


Personal view but I think the 'First 100 days' check is for popular consumption by the crappy media, the first year would be a better measuring stick.

7x7 22nd Dec 2013 01:08

I wish they'd set up an investigation into making it easier for couples to adopt Australian children.

Because of the well-meaning (but TOTALLY misguided) policies brought in over the last 40 years, (sometimes very) young teenage girls now keep their children, (all too often that's 'children' PLURAL, to God only knows how many different fathers), and those children are almost without exception brought up in poor circumstances. (Yes, I know it's a terrible wrench to give up your child, but maybe someone should accept that the child's interests, and not the mother's, should come first.)

Meanwhile, couples who can afford to educate and give a child a decent life bring in children from overseas, giving them the Australian dream while too many Australian children born to single mothers or into dysfunctional families end up living the Australian nightmare.

I know there's no easy answer to this, but the current situation is has truly terrible consequences for almost all of the children born into it. (I know there are exceptions, but they are a small minority.)

7x7 22nd Dec 2013 03:06

Another entry for the "you couldn't make this up" list.

No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au


HE may be a frail, disabled man who is confined to a wheelchair, requires oxygen to breathe and cannot speak much English, but Housing NSW *believes he is the state's biggest public housing bludger.

Ali Navazi, 50, is the suspected owner of a property empire spanning up to 11 homes across the city worth millions. The Court of Appeal has ruled he had to repay almost $200,000 to taxpayers for rental subsidies Housing NSW believes he should never have received.

While thousands of people are struggling on the public housing waiting list, Navazi was allegedly buying up property with a friend and renting it out to pay off the mortgage, housing authorities claim.

Mr Navazi and his legal team strenuously deny this *allegation, saying it's a fabrication they will take to the High Court.

"They also think I have $1 million in my pocket," Mr Navazi told The Sunday Telegraph. The battle between the wheelchair-bound man and the government has been playing out since 2009.

The $200,000 he has been ordered to pay is the highest amount ever owed for alleged public housing payments.

Mr Navazi came to Housing NSW Tenant Fraud Unit's *attention in 2009 when a former tenant tipped off investigators that Mr Navazi, who also goes by the name Nowronzali Navazihakani, owned 11 properties with a friend, *Mohammed Djavad Zaree.

In court the department could only prove he co-owned two properties, one on Grafton St, Dee Why, which sold for $355,000, and another on Old Pittwater Rd, Brookvale, which was bought in 2004 for $685,000. Housing authorities told the court rental bonds had been submitted with Fair Trading for both properties, meaning they had been on the market for rent. This was a major breach of policy.

Community Services Minister Pru Goward said the case was a "slap in the face" to housing tenants.

But Mr Navazi and his lawyers are defending his actions.

He bought the Brookvale property as a trustee for his sister, who lives in Iran and *assists him with medical payments because his Centrelink benefits do not go far enough for his debilitating condition. She gave him the money to buy the property, he said, *because she lives overseas and cannot have her name on the property title.

The matter first went to the Supreme Court, which ruled in favour of Mr Navazi. This was overturned by the Court of *Appeal last week. Mr Navazi has been ordered to leave his property, which had been renovated to suit his disabilities.

His lawyer Luke Geary, of Salvos Legal, said the department had evidence proving Mr Naziri had never received any income from the properties and the "11 properties" claim was a fabrication.

"The evidence clearly shows he held the properties only as a trustee and not beneficially," Mr Geary said.

Airey Belvoir 22nd Dec 2013 07:33

Presumably the Court will be calling as witnesses the 650 tenants of the 11 homes?

Takan Inchovit 22nd Dec 2013 08:07

I just blew up my calculator trying to work that one out. :}

Andu 22nd Dec 2013 08:17

Bunks stacked four high in every room of all 11 properties would be my guess, and what's the bet he or members of his extended family are also pulling some angle to get benefits for accommodating multiple asylum seekers under the plan Gillard dreamed up to get asylum seekers out of detention centres?

Oh, and check the roof space as well. That was a favourite place for extra bedrooms in London flats occupied by people from the Subcontinent back in my youth - and not just the roof space of their own flat, but all the neighbouring flats in any row of terraces.

SOPS 22nd Dec 2013 08:47

Probably tie he was sent back home, due to committing fraud in Australia. ( if found to be true)

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Dec 2013 11:47


Bunks stacked four high in every room of all 11 properties would be my guess,
There's a bit of this around Brisbane at the moment, particularly in the cheaper suburbs. Friends of mine who live in the aforementioned cheaper suburbs (I'm a high flyer :cool::}) report plenty of 2/3 bedroom units now have hot-bed setups for four or six per bedroom with a few more in the living room. The giveaway is usually lots of taxi cabs coming and going at all hours. :hmm:

This contravenes local regulations but is hard to prove, as everyone legs it over the back fence when the Brisbane City Council / QFRS car pulls up in the driveway :suspect:. Nothing really changes, except I guess these guys actually work for a living...:}
He Died with a Felafel in His Hand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Student accomodation rackets are also alive and well; some enterprising slum landlord buys a few ordinary suburban units and installs foreign students by the dozen on some sort of shelving. There's lots of money to be made when what we consider a small apartment is fairly palatial by Asian standards, particularly if the bed comes at the right price. The firies hate it with a passion but again, it's hard to prove who's actually living there at any given time. :(
Dunno how you stop it.

Captain Sand Dune 22nd Dec 2013 21:44

Looks like you've answered your own question then, Mitch.
You're right though: this incident typifies why we have people risking their lives to sail on dodgy vessels to get to Australia. Because we have a welfare system that is so easy to rort.
However imagine the howls of outrage if the government (ANY government) were to try and tackle the elephant in the room and reduce welfare expenditure.

SOPS 23rd Dec 2013 13:47

As a side note...it is interesting to note that the UK is considering removing citizenship of those going to Syria as ' freedom fighters'.

Ken Borough 24th Dec 2013 07:01

Happy Christmas to my fellow stirrers! May we continue to live happily in such a peaceful country.
:D :D :D

Clare Prop 24th Dec 2013 09:16

Mitch what you are describing is what temporary protection visas are for....if you go "home" you can't come back, not ever.

But of course the bleeding hearts in the Senate won't let that happen because it would interfere with their plans for the New World Order...sorry I mean it's against their humanitarian principles.:ugh:

Andu 25th Dec 2013 21:56

Peter Cosgrove to replace Barbie as GeeGee.

Captain Sand Dune 26th Dec 2013 01:45

Well that's the tip anyway. In any case, it will be good to see the return of some dignity and gravitas to the role.

parabellum 26th Dec 2013 01:47

And long may that procedure continue, ex Head of Armed Forces, long enough to become a tradition.


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