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parabellum 4th Dec 2013 22:30

So, we have Ethel, Fleigs and Ken all in a concerted 'hit' at the LNP, looks like Sussex Street has been out recruiting!

Worrals in the wilds 4th Dec 2013 22:35

Fair go, Parabellum! :)
Ken and Fliegs both regularly contribute to JB and/or other parts of PPRuNe about a number of topics, and are as entitled to post their political opinion as you are.

We don't accuse you guys of working for the Coalition every time a bunch of you post at the same time. :suspect::}

500N 4th Dec 2013 22:51


C'mon, this is the Right version of the ABC :O

RJM 5th Dec 2013 01:57

I wish they'd stop calling mercenary-minded thieves and traitorous bastards "whistleblowers".

Charlie Foxtrot India 5th Dec 2013 02:02

All opinions are welcome for debate here.

What isn't welcome is personal attacks on other ppruners or stupid "yes but" straw man stuff, we haven't seen either for a good while :D

Carry on!

bosnich71 5th Dec 2013 03:25

Contributors to this blog such as Fliegs, Ethel, Ken, Mitch etc. are, in my view, welcome.It is a pity that most were not in evidence during the past 2 or 3 years when the Labour Party was doing so well running the country. We could have done with their views on political matters then. Who knows it may have swayed a few votes in Labour's direction. Not that it would have made any difference to the overall result of course.
Their appearance now is a bit like the Australian media who have suddenly found out that there are cricket matches being played.

500N 5th Dec 2013 03:31

It is interesting how some of the above names have suddenly come out from behind the sofa now the Libs are in power ;)

7x7 5th Dec 2013 06:12

MELANIE PHILLIPS: The outrageous truth slips out: Labour cynically plotted to transform the entire make-up of Britain without telling us | Mail Online

Worth reading in full, before asking yourself how much of this apples to Australia over the last six years, with, in Australia's case, the same result being sought by the Australian 'sister' Pardee to the UK's LaboUr Party though wilfully not making any attempt to stop 'self selecting' immigrants from the very same sources as the UK Labour Party brought into the UK by legal - if hidden - means.

But the most shattering revelation was that this policy of mass immigration was not introduced to produce nannies or cleaners for the likes of Neather. It was to destroy Britain's identity and transform it into a multicultural society where British attributes would have no greater status than any other country's.

A measure of immigration is indeed good for a country. But this policy was not to enhance British culture and society by broadening the mix. It was to destroy its defining character altogether.

It also conveniently guaranteed an increasingly Labour-voting electorate since, as a recent survey by the Electoral Commission has revealed, some 90 per cent of black people and three-quarters of Asians vote Labour.

Now we know it was no such failure of policy. It was deliberate. For the government of which Straw is such a long-standing member had secretly plotted to flood the country with immigrants to change its very character and identity.

7x7 5th Dec 2013 07:32

News (on commercial radio) that a man went berserk in a Broadmeadows mosque during morning prayers, killing one, another not expected to live and a third stabbed.

Eight police required to subdue him.

And on the ALPBC News tonight (NSW)? Not a mention.

Worrals in the wilds 5th Dec 2013 07:33

Never fear, ABC online is on it.
Melbourne mosque stabbing: One dead, two injured after stabbing at Broadmeadows mosque - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
EDIT: I shouldn't be trite, reading the article it sounds like a horrible incident. Triteness removed...
The Murdoch press have also covered it online, though I don't know why it missed the TV news. Up in Qld we had several non-event stories about Top Shop opening on both ten and nine; I don't know why a killing failed to make the grade. :confused: Too late maybe?
No Cookies | Herald Sun

500N 5th Dec 2013 07:40

It was in Melbourne, that's why.

Qld'ers don't acknowledge anyone down south ! :O

Ken Borough 5th Dec 2013 10:18

Thanks for the support guys - it's good to know that there are some fair-minded people around! :ok:

Ad hominem attacks say more about the initiator than they do about the target, and generally are made when argument is weak or non-existent: they really are not acceptable in any environment. If a valid argument cannot be logically put, it's surely better to not say anything rather than resort to what is basically a schoolyard bully! Most of the radio shock-jocks and right wing scribes survive by dent of their habit of shouting, yelling and personal abuse rather than reliance on the strength of their argument. One doesn't have to go far to appreciate what I mean.

Fliegenmong 5th Dec 2013 10:26

"Contributors to this blog such as Fliegs, Ethel, Ken, Mitch etc. are, in my view, welcome.It is a pity that most were not in evidence during the past 2 or 3 years when the Labour Party was doing so well running the country"

Bossy , mate I have been around a long time, offering a much needed counter in a forum titled War in Australia!

I was missing for 3 - 4 months because pi$$ed one night I took the bait of a self confessed troll....you live and you learn......but I was silenced for the whole lead up to the election...perhaps deservedly (Can't remember :}) :ok:

"It is interesting how some of the above names have suddenly come out from behind the sofa now the Libs are in power"

I've been here when I haven't been banned though :ok:

.........CFI, thank you for your moderation! :ok: In fact I would go so far to say thank you for my banning me rather than closing a thread, as I seem to recall some accusing me of trying to do just that!, and I can assure you that was never my intention!!

I've heaped scorn on the previous gummint in my posts, watched on in stunned disbelief as they insisted on chaotic self destruction....just as I watched Costellos financial ineptitude before them......but I'm able to do that., and it sometimes makes me think that 'War in Australia' thread could be renamed the LNP 'Willy waving' thread! :rolleyes:

Now then Lads & Ladettes.......is anyone going to venture an explanation as to why it is a good idea to make deals with the Greens, as has the Hon. Member for Warringah Um Ah TA Budgie smuggler?? :}:D....I still haven't seen one yet.....

Your truly
Emu Smuggler :E

dubbleyew eight 5th Dec 2013 10:45

votes in the house are passed when the number voting 'for' exceeds the number voting 'against'

it aint rocket science lad.

is it just me or have paul howse and the entire labor movement been bought by the american corporatocracy? the comments over joe's correct decision regarding graincorp just amaze me.

Fubaar 5th Dec 2013 10:56

Fleigs, I can't understand the outrage. It's politics. You do deals with the devil to get legislation passed. The only dark side is what you might promise the devil to get his/her support. The Libs don't seem to have had to make overly unpalatable promises to the Greens in this case. It certainly isn't anywhere near the "marriage" the Labor made with the Greens in 2010, where they sold their souls to form a minority government.

What I found unforgivable in that was that it was unnecessary. There was no way in the world the Greens would have allied themselves with the Coalition. Labor could have had the Greens' co-operation without having to sell their souls - the only explanation that makes sense to me is that Julia Gillard was quite happy to see all the crazy Greens demands instituted. She could never have got 90% of them past her Labor colleagues, but "forced" to push them through because the Greens demanded it? Oh we'll, oi just had to.

david1300 5th Dec 2013 11:00

The "deal with the Greens" is hardly a big deal. If it wasn't for the desperate hand-wringing of the lefties it would be a non-existent issue and wouldn't even be newsworthy. The Greens proposed/agreed to vote for NO debt ceiling and in return the govt of the day makes a statement to parliament if the debt level rises by $50 billion.

Personally I would have preferred hearing the union cries when public servant staff cuts would have been proposed to keep under the old debt ceiling, but that would just have been political games anyway. Better this way and getting on with the business of governing.

Fliegenmong 5th Dec 2013 11:50

Fleigs, I can't understand the outrage. It's politics. You do deals with the devil to get legislation passed.

Jools did deals with devil to get legislation passed, and the outrage was gaddamn DEAFENING!!!....but when the coalition do deals with the devil, you justify it by saying 'it's politics' .... in a few terms time, are you going to be happy with the explanation it's politics' ???

Davo, the 'Nayshuns' economy is in dire peril because of the previous gummint (apparently)....the present gummint wants to increase the country's debt even further....the Green Loonies are not keen for the Nayshun to get further in debt......the compromise is we ditch a debt ceiling, and the gummint of the day just let us know when they go a further 50 mill in to debt.? Seems all well and good to me, in lieu of a spending limit., just give us a heads up when you are going to bust another 50 mill.....

Debt ceilings are of no consequence according to some....yet a debt ceiling crisis instigated by the GOP in the US recently seems to have politically backfired somewhat. :rolleyes: Perhaps the (far) right in the US should look to what the Green/LNP joint venture (JV :E) is and adopt that??

It is delicious irony though, surely not lost upon you, an economic agreement between the loony fringe dwelling Greens and the LNP??

I'm mostly surprised it happened before 2013 was even out! :eek:

RJM 5th Dec 2013 13:48

Flies, it's simplistic to say that the govt wants to increase debt. They want room to manoeuvre while they bring the debt down. Historically, conservative govts have reduced debt, while the Left has increased it. The health of the current account isn't the only measure of good governance, but it's a very important one, and is one that the recent Left govts managed very badly by any school of economic thought.

The fact is, the R/G/R govts were not good governments in most respects. The continuing outrage of some of its supporters at being soundly beaten in the last election is hard to understand. Australia has until 2016 a conservative government. It is a democratically elected, legitimate government - more 'legitimate' than Gillard's Labor/Greens/Independent coalition.

Anyone can object to it, but they should do so for sound reasons, not just out of childish pique. Not to accuse you of that, Fliegs, but have a look at some of the Leftist commentary around the media. They should grow up.

Andu 5th Dec 2013 19:55

Not even thinly disguised Young Labor organisation GetUp! has a petition running to save "our" ABC, while at the other end of the scale, there's this petition Review of the ABC Petition also running demanding an inquiry. I suspect there'd be a few here who'd like to add their names to one of those petitions, perhaps more to the second one than to the GetUp! one.

Fleigs, your outrage sounds (to me at least) an awful lot like the apparent outrage of many of the hacks in the MSM and virtually everyone at the ALPBC who simply cannot seem to accept that the Labor Pardee is no longer in government. (Notice that I didn't say "running the country"? Because I don't think they ever were, unless you substitute an "i" for the first "n" in the verb in that last sentence.)

Some politician said a long time ago that it's all in the numbers. If you don't have the numbers, you get nothing done. I can live with the Libs doing deals with the Greens if the end result is positive (or what I consider to be positive) for the country. Virtually every deal Labor did with those same Greens, in my opinion, was negative in the extreme for the country, (although, as has been noted above, Julia Gillard might not have thought so).

I do not consider having to be more transparent in reporting debt levels (if that's the only price the Libs had to pay) to get the Greens' support to be an unacceptable price to pay.

The Coalition today has just developed another sudden migraine - (it's too big to be just a headache) - with the bomb that's just been dropped today, the announcement that GM Holden plans to stop car production in Australia by 2016. That's going to keep Labor foaming at the mouth as they attempt to drum up outrage over Christmas.

I can't even begin to imagine the effect this news is having at a lot of breakfast tables in Geelong and Adelaide.

500N 5th Dec 2013 20:24

Labor can take some of the blame for the Car Industry, after all,
how much serious looking at it was done in the last 6 years when
they were in power as opposed to just throwing money at it.

Like how could they restructure the car industry, how could they
set up other industries that can take workers from it, build other
industries around it but in a different area that is expanding ?

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