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Andu 29th Oct 2013 00:48

I suspect it will be the last visit to Tarin Kwot by a western leader for some time, (unless someone gets in very soon), because within eighteen months, the people running it will not be welcoming to any politician from the West (except maybe Jimmy Carter).

The very fact that we are bringing all the interpreters and their families who worked with the Australian military back to Australia because it is openly accepted that to leave them there would be a death sentence is an unmistakable acknowledgment that the Taliban will soon be running Afghanistan.

It's a pity the ordinary Joe in Afghanistan has to suffer, (as he - and particularly she - will), because I have absolutely no sympathy for the crooks who are currently running the Afghan government. The current President will be living in luxury in a multi-million dollar pad in Manhattan within a year with a bank account most of us could only dream of.

John Eacott 29th Oct 2013 00:51

Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 8122773)
Is it possible that Abbott is trying to change the stereotypical image of an Australian PM by leading from the front?

He's not 'trying' to change: he is changing the image and IMO, doing it very well :ok:

7x7 29th Oct 2013 00:58

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

THE Australian War Memorial has abandoned a proposal to remove the words "known unto God" from the Tomb of the Australian Unknown Soldier after the personal intervention of Tony Abbott.

The memorial's governing council decided at its meeting in August to replace two inscriptions on the tomb at the Canberra memorial with words from a speech by Paul Keating.
Am I the only one who suspects that Brendan Nelson has been taking lessons in 'instant (ill-conceived) thought bubbles' from the Gillard/Rudd school?

500N 29th Oct 2013 00:59

A very astute observation from someone from afar across the board.
But this is spot on
"Abbott takes his role seriously as a leader focused on Australia's interest."
and I think he might have taken a leaf out of the US book. He certainly handled Indonesia well, IMHO.

Yes, he certainly is changing it and IMHO, have taken the Agenda back FROM the media and now sets it himself.

Re other visits, once you start to lose the support structure (air cover, helo cover, force on the ground outside of the wire) you wouldn't want to fly a C-130 in there.

500N 29th Oct 2013 01:04

re the war memorial, I thought you had good people like General Cosgrove on it ?
Surprised if you have ex mil people on it that they allowed this to go through.

Considering how many good ex mil and ex business people we have available,
why we need ex pollies, god knows. Unless they have served, what do they bring to a place such as the war memorial ?

Andu 29th Oct 2013 01:17

500N, for quite some years now, the PC brigade have been attempting (not without some success) to weasel their way into the AWM management, with attempts to introduce exhibits detailing the Aboriginal 'war against the white invasion' and to 'de-mythologize' the Australian soldier and the whole concept of ANZAC. It must be over 25 years ago now that these people engineered the removal of retired AVM Jim Fleming as Director of the AWM when he resisted such moves.

500N 29th Oct 2013 01:27


I just looked it up on line, interesting. I had forgotten that.

Nice to see Abbott intervene on the current issue.

7x7 29th Oct 2013 01:27

Michael Smith calling for Brendon Nelson to resign. Some of the comments in the thread are rather emotive (and agree with Andu's assertion about Lefties in the AWM management).

Brendan Nelson's resignation letter should be submitted today - how did the National Press Club miss this? - Michael Smith News

500N 29th Oct 2013 03:14

I see the Greens (Milne) are bitching about Labor possibly ditching the Carbon Tax and saying that they are "throwing in the towel".

Trying to make themselves relevant and keep in the news more like it !

I think Labor / Shorten are just being practical, why hold onto something
everyone hates and one of the reasons that cost them Gov't !!!

Worrals in the wilds 29th Oct 2013 08:09

Good to see Abbott and Shorten together in Afghanistan being civilised towards each other.

Kudos to Abbott for organizing/allowing it, and hopefully it marks a return to grown-up Australian politics from both sides of the House.

500N 29th Oct 2013 08:18


I thought that was a very good picture of the two of them.
The one of them "chatting" on the aircraft was pretty good as well.

Pity it's not an Aussie General behind Abbott but I suppose a Para will do :O

They even had the colours right on the wreaths :O

parabellum 29th Oct 2013 12:17

Abbott does look like he enjoys himself when visiting troops and likes
to get his hands on gear !!!
Just has to keep away from Channel 7 journos who like to try and catch him engaging in 'soldier' talk to soldiers and then quote him out of context.:mad:

SOPS 29th Oct 2013 12:17

BenThere..in Tony Abbott we have a real leader, a person not interested in self interest, but for the good of the whole country. Unlike those other idiots we had to put up with for 6 years, whose mantra was, power at any cost.

Thank goodness for Tony:ok:

Fliegenmong 29th Oct 2013 12:47

"BenThere..in Tony Abbott we have a real leader, a person not interested in self interest, but for the good of the whole country. Unlike those other idiots we had to put up with for 6 years, whose mantra was, power at any cost."

:D:D That's too good!! The guy who when trying to negotiate with Windsor Oakeshot et all.after the last, all the best he could come up with was "I'd do anything to be Prime Minister"., nothing about the betterment of the country.... he's getting a free ride from an uncritical MSM and that is to be expected, they know what they have to gain from ensuring TA is adequately 'cotton wool balled'

It's LNP Revisionist history in action I suppose....

This from back a bit now,...back from when I was banned anyway....

Joe Hockey's L-plates are there for all to see

It seems poor Joe has been in negative opposition mode for so long, he doesn't recognise possible good news when he sees it. That IMF unemployment forecast is an improvement on what the RBA and Treasury have been saying. The budget back in May guessed unemployment would be 6.25 per cent by June and the pre-election economic and fiscal outlook forecast it would stay there for another year.

Don't get me wrong....Joe is a likeable enough fella....but as out of his depth as Swanny was at a time., just as Costello was out of his depth before him.

SOPS 29th Oct 2013 15:20

The good thing on this forum is that we can all express our own views

500N 29th Oct 2013 15:35

If only Tony had compromised a bit when dealing with Oakeshot and the others,
how different it would have been.

Though I think he is ready for being PM now whereas before he might not have been and could have done what Bracks did, nothing !!!

BenThere 29th Oct 2013 16:18

Thanks, Fliegenmong. I'm flattered, but concerned you may have been deflected from the thrust of what I'm about.

First off, the MSM is no friend of Tony Abbott. If you think otherwise I can only conclude you are unobservant.

Secondly, the marginal seats that gave Labor temporary control of government are irrelevant now, and I'm highly suspicious of any supposed quote of PM Abbott that he would give anything to be PM. He's too classy and principled for that.

7x7 29th Oct 2013 21:17

Thread drift alert! This has absolutely nothing to do with Australian politics, except that I've copied it from an Australian political blog, but it is too priceless not to share.

From the Pickering Post:

We could all learn so much from this elegant and gracious lady.

You might recall that John Hinckley was the seriously deranged young man who shot President Reagan in the early 1980′s.

Hinckley was absolutely obsessed with movie star Jodie Foster and, in his twisted mind, loved Jodie to the point that to make himself well known to her, he attempted to assassinate President Reagan.

There is speculation Hinckley may soon be released as having been

Consequently, you will appreciate the following letter from Nancy
Reagan to John Hinckley:

To: John Hinckley

From: Mrs. Nancy Reagan

My family and I wanted to drop you a short note to tell you how pleased we are with the great strides you are making in your recovery.

In our country’s spirit of understanding and forgiveness, we want you to know that we bear no grudge against you for shooting President Reagan.

We are fully aware that mental stress and pain could have driven you to such an act of desperation.
We’re confident that you will soon make a complete recovery and return to your family to join the world again as a healthy and productive man.
Best wishes,

Nancy Reagan & Family

P.S. While you have been incarcerated, Barack Obama has been banging Jodie Foster like a shithouse door in a gale. You might want to look into that.

Fliegenmong 29th Oct 2013 21:26

'He's too classy and principled for that.' :confused:

Now what was that you were saying about unobservant? :confused:

500N 29th Oct 2013 21:30

"Barack Obama has been banging Jodie Foster like a shithouse door in a gale. You might want to look into that."

Haven't heard a saying like that for a few years :O

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