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500N 28th Oct 2013 09:00

You'd get hit down the road a bit. All greased palms, piss someone off
and bobs your uncle !!!

I wonder if with these "extra costs" it doesn't turn out out to be cost effective
to fly them out on a C-17 ?

500N 28th Oct 2013 09:02

The ABC.

Did anyone see that article the other day where the headline said
that for the first time ever the ABC received $1 billion dollars :rolleyes:

I nearly fell over backwards when I read it.

Problem was, I didn't read the article and never saw it again.

Fliegenmong 28th Oct 2013 09:14

Pinkus....careful re the New York Times, not a publication favoured by the main protagonists around here! :ok:

7x7, I often wondered where the boat people numbers came from...then I think you started posting a 'Michael Smith' site?? I must say I have never heard of Michael Smith, though I am sure there are plenty in the Country.

Does he still report the boat arrivals?? Or is he like the MSM?

500N 28th Oct 2013 09:29

Another Asylum Seeker story on 774 today about how the new rules
are having an effect and the Smugglers are trying to persuade people
to be shipped in a shipping container !!! :rolleyes:

Might get away with it in Europe but Jesus, I would not want to get
in one in the hot weather we have, you'd cook and be one smelly mess
by the time you arrived.

SOPS 28th Oct 2013 09:41

Imagine being locked in a stack of shipping containers for a week in Fremantle harbour during summer!! They would have no trouble in finding them, the stench of dead bodies would be the give away! I really hope people are not that stupid/desperate to try it. If the story is true however, it does show that the new rules are having the desired effect. See Juliar, it wasn't that hard after all.

In other news, I see that sense is prevailing in other areas as well

Scott Morrison flags block on Australians returning home after fighting in Syria - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Worrals in the wilds 28th Oct 2013 10:34


Imagine being locked in a stack of shipping containers for a week in Fremantle harbour during summer!! They would have no trouble in finding them, the stench of dead bodies would be the give away! I really hope people are not that stupid/desperate to try it.
Correct. This is truly dreadful and I hope the border agencies are onto it with full government support and a big penalty for any mongrel bastard who's even thinking about running this sort of operation into Australia. :mad::*

Many people have died while trying to enter Europe via shipping containers :(. We need to remember that the truly bad-arssed crims aren't the people who take the option, but rather the soulless, godforsaken :mad:nts who organize these trips by preying on the desperate and taking their money, without a care in the world for the lives of the people who paid them.

Let's get 'em.

We no longer have capital crimes in Australia. Until the second half of the last century, capital punishment was reserved for the worst murderers who showed no remorse for their victims. How is this different?

To me, locking a bunch of people into a shipping container after taking their money for 'safe' passage and then letting them fry to death on the docks is far worse than many crimes people were hanged for in times past. If the people smugglers think they can do this and then wiggle out of it then I hope they've got another thought coming. Like narcotics abuse, it's easy for the press to blame the end user. It makes for good articles and catchy headlines :yuk:. However, like narcotics abuse the catchy headlines conveniently ignore the supply chain that delivers both drugs for addicts and containers full of dead people. :(

With both issues, we need to ignore the media soundbites and front page headlines and focus on the true criminals; in this case the blackbirders who offer cash for berths with no thought to spare for their welfare.

parabellum 28th Oct 2013 11:11

So, when the allies are all gone and Karzai decides to abandon his people and make a run for it let us hope the USA have the means in place to separate Karzai from his ill gotten gains. Plenty of vacant accommodation in both Chicago and Detroit for Karzai and his hangers on.

Andu 28th Oct 2013 11:17

Meanwhile, Paul Murray Live tonight announces that the Australian War Memorial plans to remove the (carved in stone) words "known unto God" from the grave of the unknown soldier at the AWM and replace them with words from a 1993 Paul Keating speech.

To borrow a phrase... you couldn't make this up.

Apparently, Brendon Nelson's idea, slipped in during the caretaker period.

Fliegenmong 28th Oct 2013 11:19

What happened?? Been back for 2 days and I've been censored??

SOPS 28th Oct 2013 11:52

And what words are they planning to put on there, may I ask?

Worrals in the wilds 28th Oct 2013 23:29

Probably 'a message from our sponsors.' :ugh::ugh:

parabellum 28th Oct 2013 23:38

Well, Keating was known for such phrases as, "Unproductive slime" and so forth.:(

Andu 28th Oct 2013 23:40

SOPS, interestingly, they didn't say, just "words from a 1993 speech by Paul Keating". I waited to hear what these (must be earth-shatteringly meaningful words) might be, but they didn't say.

The panel and Murray were outraged, for this means, quite literally, chiselling out the existing words that are in stone and replacing them with the words of a man who even Labor stalwarts would agree was/is one of the most divisive characters in the history of Australian politics. Murray also said that it was all Brendan Nelson's idea, and on that he slipped through with little (or no) fanfare during the caretaker government period immediately prior to the recent election.

I can't see the RSL copping something like this without a major fight.

500N 28th Oct 2013 23:45

I had to chuckle at the photo of Tony Abbott and Shorten on the way to Tarin Kowt, happily chatting away !!!

I must admit, pretty gracious of Tony to take Bill along at the same time
as a very joint show of unity :ok: I somehow doubt Rudd or Gillard would
have done the same.

I noticed the Age made a point of commenting that Tony walked off the aircraft in only a shirt whereas Rudd had walked off in full combat gear, helmet and body armour !!!

Andu 29th Oct 2013 00:06

From the Bolt site:


Six weeks ago, ... the War Memorial’s director, Brendan Nelson, told the National Press Club that the inscription was being removed. The words of explanation at the opposite end—“He symbolises all Australians who’ve died in war”—also would be going…

The council did not inform Labor’s minister for veterans’ affairs or the Coalition opposition ...[it] was prepared to chisel the name of God off its face.

In its place were to be inscribed the words of our 24th prime minister, the Honourable PJ Keating.

“Into one end we will engrave: ‘We do not know this Australian’s name, we never will,’ “ said Nelson. “At the end, as you walk into the hall, it will say: ‘He is one of them, and he is all of us.’

Nelson was quite possibly the most ineffective Leader of the Opposition we have ever seen. This is misguided Political Correctness* gone mad.

* (I suspect that is a tautology)

CoodaShooda 29th Oct 2013 00:09

500N
If you recall, Gillard announced her first visit to Afghanistan by claiming that Abbott had refused her invitation to join her. This despite him having told her several days earlier that he already had a visit planned.
The suggestion was she only decided to visit after learning of his plans.
Undergraduate politics at its worst.

Is it possible that Abbott is trying to change the stereotypical image of an Australian PM by leading from the front?

500N 29th Oct 2013 00:32

Cooda

I don't know but could well be. I know the mil hate being political footballs.
I thought normally :O military overseas is supposed to be bi partisan.

It is also likely to be the last visit to TK by a PM so it is likely that
it was appropriate to take Bill along and IMHO good on him for
doing so.

As for Julia, dead right she found out and offered so she could say he refused.

Abbott does look like he enjoys himself when visiting troops and likes
to get his hands on gear !!!

500N 29th Oct 2013 00:40

Cooda

"Is it possible that Abbott is trying to change the stereotypical image of an Australian PM by leading from the front?"

Apart from it being Tony's demeanour and how he goes about himself,
I really do think that he is trying to move as far away from the Rudd / Gillard
years of 24 hour news media type PM to a "I'll speak to to the media if and when needed because the country does not want to see me on every news bulletin".

His appearances are getting more and more regular now or at least
more often than before. It will be interesting to see how visible he is
when Parliament resumes.

Worrals in the wilds 29th Oct 2013 00:41


Murray also said that it was all Brendan Nelson's idea, and on that he slipped through with little (or no) fanfare during the caretaker government period immediately prior to the recent election.
Well they can just slip it on out again. :mad:
How very offensive. Nelson was God's gift to the ALP as Opposition Leader and obviously he hasn't improved.

BenThere 29th Oct 2013 00:42

Puzzles me here as it does as I observe OZ.

Abbott takes his role seriously as a leader focused on Australia's interest.

Rudd and Gillard took their roles as means to grasp and hold political power, sow dissension, and augment labor voter roles by any means, such as unimpeded, uncontrolled immigration.

I'm so gratified Australia chose Abbott. I anticipate Australia will outperform the world over the next few years.


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