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500N 26th Oct 2013 10:00


OK, she was a bit flt but it wasn't the usual hyped up Julia or Kevin at 1000 miles and hour with badly thought out words.

Tokenism. I think she has more going for her than a lot of others and sensibly
for the last 6 years stayed a bit above the crap.

Not saying there isn't someone better but not 5 others.

Fliegenmong 26th Oct 2013 10:18

Not saying their isn't someone better but not 5 others.

Not saying there isn't someone better but not 5 others.

There you go, fixed that for you! :ok:

7x7 26th Oct 2013 11:00

Islam Net's Peace Conference Scandinavia 2013 - 100% agreed with stoning death penalty for adultery

This is so unsettling. These people are serious. They agree with stoning to death for adultery. The penalty is administered by burying the person to the chest if a man, to the waist if a woman and then throwing rocks at the condemned until they die.

If neo-nazis, skinheads espoused this sort of violence against women they'd be in gaol. Why does this movement get away with it?

The conference was held this year in the advanced, Western country Norway.

Islam Net's Peace Conference Scandinavia 2013 - 100% agreed with stoning death penalty for adultery - Michael Smith News

In light of this, Kylie, on Michael Smith News, has a bright idea:

To add a bit of balance, I wish that those devout muslim Saudi oil billionaires, would build a great big mosque right in the heart of Canberra with a great big pious muslim community living close by. A little bit like in Lakemba Sydney but only ten times bigger and better. I think that our nation's capital deserves it and just look at all of the thousands of good secure jobs it would create and all of the tourism revenue for Australians. Not to mention all of the nice halal food for those Canberra folk, why should Sydney folk be so greedy, why not share it around with gay Canberra.

500N 27th Oct 2013 02:00

Greenpeace in jail in Russia.

I see the sob story media card is being played in the media today,
the old life is hard, I thought I'd be out by now, we are allowed an
hour outside in a chicken pen ....... , with a great photo of a sad
looking young lady behind white bars.

This from a letter to her "manager" !!! Why does a 27 year old female need a "manager" ?

I think reality is hitting these people hard.

And I notice that Chappelle might be released, god that means months
of her stories in the media :E I think I might go to the desert for 6 months !

dat581 27th Oct 2013 02:40

I wonder if she will run afoul of the proceeds of crime laws when she finally gets home and have the government take any money she earns from interviews or book deals.

500N 27th Oct 2013 03:20

No, I don't think so as I read that all monies
go to or are paid to her Sister.

500N 27th Oct 2013 05:05

The Media must be desperate for stories, dragging up one about VIP Travel of Liberal Ministers on RAAF Aircraft. Talk about going back in time.

Not that I agree with ministers using RAAF aircraft when commercial are available but surely they can do better than that.

Worrals in the wilds 27th Oct 2013 11:50

The conference was held this year in the advanced, Western country Norway.
But not here. Let's keep that in mind and remember that in case anyone wants to vary on it. :hmm: I think there are a whole bunch of things people could be charged with if they tried this on in Australia.

SOPS 27th Oct 2013 16:22

And I am amazed that Norway allows it.

RJM 27th Oct 2013 17:13

Western self-loathing. Pretty strong in Leftie Norway.

500N 27th Oct 2013 17:15

I was going to say the same thing.

500N 27th Oct 2013 23:34

This should make for some good reading
Former Rudd adviser writes candid book

Political strategist Bruce Hawker is releasing what promises to be a candid account of Kevin Rudd's downfall, return to the Labor leadership and subsequent election loss.

The Rudd Rebellion will be published by Melbourne University Publishing on November 4.

The campaign diaries of Mr Rudd's political adviser will tell the story of the former prime minister's removal from the top job in June 2010 through to the September 7 election this year, when Labor's six years in government ended.

Mr Hawker also examines the role of News Corp Australia's newspapers, the portrayal of former prime minister Julia Gillard and the issue of Labor party reform.

The book's release will come just a week out from the first sitting of federal parliament since the coalition's election victory.

Andu 28th Oct 2013 00:04

Way too soon for the book to be even halfway truthful. The real story will not be able to be told until most if not all of the main protagonists are dead.

In short, it will be self-serving bullsh1t from cover to cover.

CoodaShooda 28th Oct 2013 00:56

self-serving bullsh1t from cover to cover
Which pretty well sums up the Hawker-Britten handbook for gaining and keeping government - as practiced by Bliar/Brown, Rudd/Gillard and Obama.

It is to national government what fast food is to nutrition.

Bright, attractive and initially satisfying - but in the longer term sickening, without substance and bloating.

7x7 28th Oct 2013 01:47

You couldn't make this up, Chapter X.

The regime of President Hamid Karzai has imposed a $3545 per container exit tax on every container leaving the country by road, including hundreds of loads of military equipment being removed by coalition forces.

Exemptions can be applied, but Australia has not been granted a waiver and without the correct paperwork each container will also be hit with a $1000 fine.

"The Government of Afghanistan has an established process for the imposition and collection of export fees on ISAF items departing Afghanistan by road,'' Defence told News Corp Australia.

The Australian Defence Force's first convoy of 55 armoured accommodation containers is waiting for clearance at the Pakistan border and as soon as it crosses the frontier Australia will be liable for a $200,000 exit tax.


500N 28th Oct 2013 01:55

What an A hole !

Considering how much aid money he has already been given, and stolen :rolleyes:

7x7 28th Oct 2013 02:03

Amusing thread on the Michael Smith site.

Lally Weymouth: An interview with Australia Prime Minister Tony Abbott

The interview was going along swimmingly - US/Sino/Australian relations, trade, boats etc.

Then Lally Weymouth started asking about the National Broadband Network and the new government's revised plans. At that point the truth serum kicked in with Tony Abbott and here are the last few questions and answers as published in The Washington Post 25 October 2013.

Is that (fibre to the node) cheaper and more efficient?


But Labor wanted to extend fiber to every household?

Welcome to the wonderful, wacko world of the former government.

So you believe the former government was doing a lot of things that were bad for the country?

I thought it was the most incompetent and untrustworthy government in modern Australian history.

Be more specific.

They made a whole lot of commitments, which they scandalously failed to honor. They did a lot of things that were scandalously wasteful and the actual conduct of government was a circus. They were untrustworthy in terms of the carbon tax. They were incompetent in terms of the national broadband network. They were a scandal when it came to their own internal disunity. They made a whole lot of grubby deals in order to try and perpetuate themselves in power.  It was an embarrassing spectacle, and I think Australians are relieved they are gone.


Astute readers will note that not only is Washington DC home to the Washington Post newspaper - it also hosts the Brookings Institute.

And Australia's loss is the Brookings Institute's gain, for nestled in the bosum of Washington DC our first female Prime Minister has just become a fellow.

Her lectures will sell-out with the Tony Abbott introduction.

Brookings Institute nonresident senior fellow Julia Gillard was Prime Minister in the wacko world of the most incompetent and untrustworthy government in modern Australian history.

During her nonresident fellowship at Brookings, Ms Gillard will deliver lectures about a whole lot of commitments which she scandalously failed to honor. Students will work on real-life Cases of the scandalously wasteful while studying Ms Gillard's "circus-ring" style of leadership and government service delivery.

Nonresident fellow Ms Gillard will deliver tips on introducing the value "untrustworthy" into a team - using the carbon tax as a recent example.  She'll emphasise the importance of incompetence when building a national broadband network.

For students taking the degree course in internal disunity, Ms Gillard brings no end of personal scandal and dirt-files held on others.

The USA's RICO racketeering provisions will be applied to a whole lot of grubby deals Ms Gillard delivered in order to try and perpetuate her government in power.

The Brookings Institute believes that the Gillard Fellowship and lecture series will follow the traditions of the Gillard government and deliver to Brookings the embarrassing spectacle that Ms Gillard is famous for.

Thank you Brookings.

500N 28th Oct 2013 02:10

Interesting she has been made a fellow.

I wonder what Rudd has received since the election ?

I still can't believe Gillard actually made it to the top
and survived for so long but is looked at well enough
to be elevated to lofty positions !

PinkusDickus 28th Oct 2013 06:02

Considering how much aid money he has already been given, and stolen
This is his Karzai's last opportunity before the Taliban overrun what parts of Afghanistan they don't alreay control. He's the President in name only - he's really the Mayor of Kabul because that's the only place he has any authority.

Along with North Korea and Somalia, Afghanistan is the world's most corrupt country, and some of its most influential citizens have worked hard to achieve that deplorable ranking.

Certainly there is much sleaze elsewhere - in Pakistan, for example, which is 37th in the world dishonesty list. India's standing is less awful, but its rip-off quotient is majestically greater, with, for example, the Commonwealth Games in Delhi in 2010 having involved embezzlement of over a billion dollars, according to the current New Yorker.

None of this can be excused, of course, but in Afghanistan corruption has achieved an art form and is probably one of the gravest problems the country has to face. It starts right at the top. In April, the New York Times reported that, "For more than a decade, wads of American dollars packed into suitcases, backpacks and, on occasion, plastic shopping bags have been dropped off every month or so at the offices of Afghanistan's president - courtesy of the Central Intelligence Agency. All told, tens of millions of dollars have flowed from the CIA to the office of President Hamid Karzai ... An American official said 'The biggest source of corruption in Afghanistan [is] the United States'."

Now that's pretty blunt, but perhaps just this once the US is not entirely to blame for the shambles in a country it invaded. The CIA and other foreign organizations certainly helped, but the final responsibility for corruption throughout Afghanistan rests with Afghans themselves.

The head of the UN's Office on Drugs and Crime, Jean Luc Lemahieu, said in February that "The bribes that Afghan citizens paid in 2012 equal double Afghanistan's domestic revenue." This revelation attracted no condemnatory reaction from President Karzai or any other influential Afghan, which is not surprising because he and many members of his government and officialdom are the main benefactors from the sleaze that swamps their country.

Karzai's character was well described by US Ambassador Karl Eikenberry in a leaked cable in which he wrote of "a paranoid and weak individual unfamiliar with the basics of nation-building". That sums him up very well. His posturing on the world stage has been as unimpressive as it has been counterproductive - and his August visit to Pakistan was both.

Takan Inchovit 28th Oct 2013 08:52

How hard would it be to tell the border guards to shove it and drive on through?

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