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Worrals in the wilds 25th Oct 2013 04:52

500N, fair enough re the PPE if it's been asked for.

Re the babies, the myth that if you have a baby in a country you can stay there is world-wide and very pervasive, even though it doesn't apply to Australia and never did. It may have something to do with it...

I don't think Allah approves of contraception methods. :}

500N 25th Oct 2013 04:54


"500N, fair enough re the PPE if it's been asked for."

What is the PPE ?

Worrals in the wilds 25th Oct 2013 04:58

Sorry, Personal Protective Equipment.

Andu 25th Oct 2013 06:22

On another note....why do all these women in detention think it is a great idea to have babies? Seems to me it is the last place you would want to have a baby.
I'm tempted to say 'anchor baby', but I seem to recall that some of the Bosnians who came here as a result of the Yugoslav unpleasantness in the 90s tried that and the babies did not receive automatic Australian citizenship because the parents were here under TPVs.

Someone might have more information on that.

SOPS 25th Oct 2013 06:32

I know that WITW is correct on that fact. Just because you are born in Australia does not mean you get Australian Citizenship. As Worralls said, that is a highly perpetuated myth.

Australian Citizenship – Current citizens

bosnich71 25th Oct 2013 06:41

Andu ... my youngest was in the army, stationed at Holsworthy when the Bosnians arrived. He and his mates had to quit their billets so that they could be renovated for the new arrivals. Seems that accommodation that was fine for serving Australian Infantry personnel was not up to standard for 'refugees'. He still reckons it left a bad taste in his mouth and more so when the Bosnians left for home taking with them anything that wasn't nailed down. :rolleyes:

Andu 25th Oct 2013 06:54

bosnich, most people will remember the Bosnians who 'created' when they saw the standard of accommodation they were expected to live in and demanded ensuite toilets in their accommodation - and of course, their demands were met.

I wonder, does anyone have any information on what became of all those Bosnian refugees? Did they all go back to the former Yugoslavia when things calmed down, or are they (or some of them) still here?

SOPS 25th Oct 2013 07:31

I know of at least one family that is still here, my wife taught both their children.

Fliegenmong 25th Oct 2013 11:40

Hello everyone!!..... I been in da norty corner!! .......... :\ :ouch: .....for long time....:{:p

"Nothing in his post warranted banning IMHO."

Can't remember... but thanks anyway :confused:

"I concur with Buster, CFI. Please don't ban Fleigs, even for one day."

Awww, you're too kind thank you! :O

"for luring him into an argument that was 'manufactured',"

Fair call, I shall refrain from nourishing those that live beneath bridges from now on...:ok:

Whatever it was I posted or didn't post, thank you mods for banning me rather than shutting the thread! :ok:

Worrals in the wilds 25th Oct 2013 16:04

Welcome back!!:ok:

Clare Prop 25th Oct 2013 16:19

Re the contraceptives, I was told by someone whom worked at one of the all male detention centres that a great many condoms are sent there. So I'm not sure what Allah would make of that. :confused:

500N 25th Oct 2013 16:23

Exactly what should be made of it.

Unless they had goats or donkeys as well !!!

With that lot, Muslims included, it seems they are quite happy to suspend
any religious belief if they need to do or obtain anything they want.

BenThere 25th Oct 2013 16:37

Like when they visit the hooker in Beirut, they get married for the evening, divorced in the morning. All on the up and up. Everyones' chastity remains pristine.

Andu 25th Oct 2013 22:42

From the Pickering site. Clever.

Marriage - This is showing the full logical consequences

"Good morning. We want to apply for a marriage license."


"Tim and Jim Jones."

"Jones?? Are you related?? I see a resemblance."

"Yes, we're brothers."

"Brothers?? You can't get married."

"Why not?? Aren't you giving marriage licenses to same gender couples?"

"Yes, thousands. But we haven't had any siblings. That's incest!"

"Incest?" No, we are not gay."

"Not gay?? Then why do you want to get married?"

"For the financial benefits, of course. And we do love each other. Besides, we don't have any other prospects."

"But we're issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples who've been denied equal protection under the law. If you are not gay, you can get married to a woman."

"Wait a minute. A gay man has the same right to marry a woman as I have. But just because I'm straight doesn't mean I want to marry a woman. I want to marry Jim."

"And I want to marry Tim, Are you going to discriminate against us just because we are not gay?"

"All right, all right. I'll give you your license. Next."

"Hi. We are here to get married."


"John Smith, Jane James, Robert Green, and June Johnson."

"Who wants to marry whom?"

"We all want to marry each other."

"But there are four of you!"

"That's right. You see, we're all bisexual. I love Jane and Robert, Jane loves me and June, June loves Robert and Jane, and Robert loves June and me. All of us getting married together is the only way that we can express our sexual preferences in a marital relationship."

"But we've only been granting licenses to gay and lesbian couples."

"So you're discriminating against bisexuals!"

"No, it's just that, well, the traditional idea of marriage is that
it's just for couples."

"Since when are you standing on tradition?"

"Well, I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere."

"Who says?? There's no logical reason to limit marriage to couples. The more the better. Besides, we demand our rights! The mayor says the constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. Give us a marriage license!"

"All right, all right. Next."

"Hello, I'd like a marriage license."

"In what names?"

"David Deets."

"And the other man?"

"That's all. I want to marry myself."

"Marry yourself?? What do you mean?"

"Well, my psychiatrist says I have a dual personality, so I want to marry the two together. Maybe I can file a joint income-tax return."

"That does it!? I quit!!? You people are making a mockery of marriage!!"

Pretty well sums it up, doesn’t it??

chuboy 25th Oct 2013 22:49


Of all the conservative hysteria I hear, "gay marriage shouldn't be legalised because it will lead in and of itself to legalised polygamy/pedophilia/beastiality/incest" is probably the most pervasive (and ridiculous).

Andu 25th Oct 2013 22:50

ABC reporting that three Jewish people were abused and attacked last night on their way home from synagogue in Sydney's eastern suburbs. (Anyone who has spent any time in that part of Sydney will have seen any number of Orthodox Jews in their unmistakable 18th century clothing any day of the week, but particularly on Fridays.)

There were six attackers, two of whom have been apprehended, a 16 year old and 23 year old. The ABC is studiously avoiding giving any other descriptors of the apprehended attackers. My guess - totally without any evidence - would be that all six of the attackers, to have been in Sydney's eastern suburbs on a Friday night, would have paid at least two tolls on Sydney's road system to get there.

500N 25th Oct 2013 22:53


Why leaglise them, those that want to practise those things either do
or they hope on a plane to the north and do it there.

500N 25th Oct 2013 22:55


So what are you saying ?

Muslim, Lebo ?

Jews easily identifiable. Use to serve in a unit in Caulfield, Vic,
a lot of Jews around there, all in traditional garb.

Andu 25th Oct 2013 23:10

10 o'clock news amends original story. Eight attackers, three arrested: two sixteen year old and one 23 year old.

500N, the door bitches in the better Kings Cross night clubs have a rule of thumb, the 'two tolls' rule: if a prospective patron looks like he paid two tolls to get from his home to the Cross, he doesn't get in. Translation: pretty much what you suggested.

Interesting that the ABC is describing the attack as a 'racist attack', with the attackers shouting 'anti-Semitic comments' as they attacked the Jewish people, some of whom have been injured. I think that word is becoming so widely misused, it's losing all meaning.

chuboy 25th Oct 2013 23:21


From a philosophical point of view, you can make the same arguments for legalising polygamous marriages as you can for gay and straight ones. If it's all between consenting adults, why is it anyone else's business? What harm comes to you if two men and two women who all love each other are married? Surely you don't feel as passionately about divorce as you do polygamy?

Other than the appeal to tradition, there's not really an argument against true (as opposed to institutionalised) polygamous marriages that holds any weight in today's society. Like I said - it's all between consenting adults, in principle. Of course, jealousy between partners is probably a tricky one to manage, but it's not like that is a problem which doesn't affect straight couples from time to time.

Of course, from a legal point of view, marriage between two people is completely different to polygamy. The significant part of marriage law is applying a framework for deciding who gets what in the event that the marriage is terminated through death or divorce. As well as the tax system, which is founded on two-person relationships. Polygamous marriages would require rewriting most of these laws from scratch, so it's not a great stretch of the mind to conclude that a man marrying a man is not in the same basket legally as a man married to two women, one of which is also married to another man.

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