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Worrals in the wilds 15th Oct 2013 11:08

From the article;

No one in Jakarta forgets how Canberra turned on Indonesia in 1999 and, as they see it, set out to humiliate them over East Timor.
Good.

The second biggest cheer from the stadium at the 2000 Sydney Olympics was for the independent atheletes from the province of East Timor. While the biggest cheer was reserved for the Aussies (of course :cool:) I still remember vividly that the four guys from Timor Leste got a massive round of applause, and didn't the Indons look snakey :E.

500N 15th Oct 2013 11:28

"No one in Jakarta forgets how Canberra turned on Indonesia in 1999 and, as they see it, set out to humiliate them over East Timor."


Then it partly makes up for Australia turning a blind eye to the original invasions
and the killing of the Balibo Five !

Andu 15th Oct 2013 11:41

Younger people here might not know that the President of Indonesia travelled to Townsville (of all places) to meet with Gough Whitlam around late Oct early Nov 75, where Whitlam let him know Australia would have no objection to the Indonesians invading East Timor after the Portuguese withdrawal. Whitlam had been deservedly given the boot by John Kerr by the time the Indons actually invaded on (how aptly) Dec 7th, but it was Whitlam who told them Australia would look the other way.

Even the ALP didn't want an Asian Cuba on Australia's doorstep, which is exactly the way an independent Fretlin-run Timor was perceived to become with the Soviet Union still very much in place. To be fair to Whitlam, I expect Malcolm Fraser would have said exactly the same thing to the Indonesians.

500N 15th Oct 2013 11:49

Andu

When were the F-111's looked at as a possible option
if a run to Indonesia was required.

I have heard rumours before, just wondering if you knew more.

Andu 15th Oct 2013 20:50

On more than one occasion, 500N. Wish I could say more. (I've deleted three attempts to do so. Perhaps there's someone out there who feels he can.)

What I can say is that all the 'experts' who say the Trublewun was useless and a huge waste of money could not be more wrong - and the one group of people who know that for a fact ran/run a government not south east of Darwin.

500N 15th Oct 2013 21:08

Andu

I have read about it as well and heard from people in the mil
when I was in.

I think it is out there, I just thought I'd ask as opposed to google.

"What I can say is that all the 'experts' who say the Trublewun was useless and a huge waste of money could not be more wrong"

Didn't the Libya bombing raid open people's eyes to the "Trublewun" ?

500N 15th Oct 2013 21:54

Maxine McKew jumps on Rudd - what a turnaround
 
Interesting - Maxine McKew jumps on Rudd - what a turnaround.

"In a new chapter to her memoir – Tales from the Political Trenches – Ms McKew has reportedly written that Mr Rudd "went off the deep end" with some of his quick fix policies in the 2013 election campaign."


Kevin Rudd protege Maxine McKew turns on her former mentor

Worrals in the wilds 15th Oct 2013 23:48


...but it was Whitlam who told them Australia would look the other way.
I did know that, though not all the details. Many lefty types were/are very critical of that decision, even though it was made by Gough.

I'd heard similar rumours as 500N, so it sounds like you have an interesting story http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/cool.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/cwm13.gif.As you say though, probably better not put on here, lest the men in white Falcons come and pay you a visit...:}

500N 16th Oct 2013 00:28

Would Indonesia ever have forgiven Australia if we had flown
F111's against them, even if it was only flying one down the runway ????

7x7 16th Oct 2013 02:47

You couldn't make this up.


Chatting with a Darwinian recently, she told me a friend of hers on a customs boat was explaining to a well dressed and spoken “asylum seeker” that she’d probably be processed off shore.

She indignantly replied “I’ve already sent two shipping containers of furniture and a car to Sydney and that’s where I demand to go!” (Nicked this off Tim Blair's comments from 'Bluey'.)

chuboy 16th Oct 2013 03:14

I disagree 7x7. That is the sort of hyperbolic anecdote that seems very easy to make up.

500N 16th Oct 2013 03:25

chuboy

The thing is though, similar things have been heard numerous times,
not that containers have been sent but "I don't want to go to XYZ Island,
I want to go to Australia".

Sometimes with comments about how good it is !!!

A fair few of these AS are not poor.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Oct 2013 04:48


A fair few of these AS are not poor.
It's not actually a requirement. Maybe that's why they're getting persecuted; that was certainly so for many Vietnamese refugees in the 1970s.

500N 16th Oct 2013 04:55

So be it.

It doesn't excuse them from coming in via the right channels.

"that's why they're getting persecuted"


I think very few people in Aus would object to genuine refugees, AS coming in, even in maybe larger numbers if the Gov't deemed it so, IF they came in via the right channels.

owen meaney 16th Oct 2013 06:20


I think very few people in Aus would object to genuine refugees
Well put me down as one of the few. I don't wish to live with the poor and uneducated from pissant countries.

Cheers

500N 16th Oct 2013 06:25

Owen

Not often I find someone with more "extreme" views than me.

You might put a tin foil hat on, expect the lefties to give you a going over ;)

Ken Borough 16th Oct 2013 06:40

Well, Owen, with an attitude like that I'd be very surprised if any of the refugees would want to be anywhere near you.

You must lead a very lonely existence. :E

bosnich71 16th Oct 2013 06:56

"Owen, expect the Lefties to give you a going over" ....... Incoming, here's Ken !

Solid Rust Twotter 16th Oct 2013 07:07

And yet there they are, still paying unscrupulous people smugglers huge amounts of money in order to get closer to Mr Meaney.:}

Ken Borough 16th Oct 2013 07:43

Boz,

No, not a Leftie. Just an ordinary, fair-minded Ozmate with a strong sense of justice! :ok:


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