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Worrals in the wilds 7th Oct 2013 01:25

Thanks for that, I'd forgotten about the Beano. :ok:
I also like the Cracked website for light entertainment.

Parabellum, I think people get jumpy when it's large tracts of farming land being sold to foreigners. They worry about future food supply, and while that may be unfounded I don't think it's unreasonable.

IIRC the Poms are actually the biggest foreign owners of agricultural land in Australia and no-one seems to complain, so there probably is an element of xenophobia at play. However I still think it's a legitimate and widely held community concern, and neither federal government has said anything to the electorate to address this.

CoodaShooda 7th Oct 2013 01:32

500N

The NT News used to worth reading; because there were very few staff journos and most copy was taken from the national and international wire services. So we were well read on matters of significance.

Then they built up a local team and its been all downhill since then......then being circa 1982 or so. :E:(

These days, I only look at it because the company pays for a subscription so we can keep an eye on obituaries, administrations and liquidations.

I'd be hard pressed spending 4 minutes on even the Saturday edition.

MTOW 7th Oct 2013 01:35

I suppose its the very nature of politics that an Opposition snipes at those in government, but it's bordering on the pathetic that all Labor can come up with to have a go at the Libs is dodgy travel claims.

I'm not for one moment saying that Brandis and all the other Libs who've been rorting the system shouldn't be brought to account, but 'people in glass houses' is the phrase that immediately comes to mind.

OK, I'll admit that finding a vaguely parliamentary duty to tack on to a wedding trip is as dodgy as hell. But is it very much different to what every doctor, nurse, chemist, accountant and God knows who else have been doing for as long as I can recall with conferences they 'must attend' that are always held in very pleasant places far, far away from home? They attend the conference, listen to a couple of lectures over maybe a weekend, but seldomly more than a week, and then have a wonderful holiday that may well stretch to a month or more - and claim the travel and as many other expenses as they think they can get away with can against their tax.

As for the pollies, both sides have pushed the envelope for decades. I can remember one instance of what I thought at the time was stretching it a bit. Billy MacMahon, just before he was (deservedly) kicked out of office, flew back to Canberra from Melbourne in a RAAF VIP jet after attending some official function with his wife Sonia. However, she didn't fly back with him, but came back as the only passenger in a second RAAF VIP jet that arrived in Canberra around 2.00 am.

Why did the lovely Sonia come back on a separate jet? Because she'd stayed on in Melbourne to attend some **** fashion show. (Not a rumour - it was reported in the papers at the time, but no one even questioned that a VIP jet was put on specially so she could stay on for a fashion show.)

I flew a then very senior Liberal minister and his party (including his wife) around PNG once after his VIP jet went tech. There were three or four teenagers in that party who I cannot believe were there in any official capacity. Staff they certainly were not.

500N 7th Oct 2013 02:29

MTOW

"I suppose its the very nature of politics that an Opposition snipes at those in government, but it's bordering on the pathetic that all Labor can come up with to have a go at the Libs is dodgy travel claims. "

+ 100

I think I said something similar the other day.

We NEED a good, strong opposition in this country for it to work,
even if they don't have the numbers, they need to at least put questions
up about Policy (and not AS Policy as that is a dead duck).
Surely they aren't that useless, even of they don't have a leader ATM.

To be honest, in the last month, I think the media has shown what
they really are, parrots repeating what is fed to them. I doubt we
have one decent journo who can research left on staff.

500N 7th Oct 2013 03:43

I see Andrew Bolt has laid into a few over AS and what people have said.
He even comments that the ABC is calling it for what it is :rolleyes:

Interesting that the majority of Lebanese that survived off Italy
are flying back to Lebanon.

"SBS interviewed relatives of passengers on the boat which sank off Indonesia, and was told one family paid $80,000 to get smuggled into Australia and escape "poverty".

Some poverty.


Lebanese government officials last week flew to Indonesia and announced most of the
Lebanese survivors would be flying home with them. So much for needing "asylum"."

No Cookies | Herald Sun

bosnich71 7th Oct 2013 06:04

MTOW .... teenagers on VIP jets.
Saw a few of those during my arm waving years. I think you will find that every cabinet minister, at least, was allowed the use of a VIP jet to take the family on holiday once per year. Never saw an instance of an overseas trip though.

Captain Sand Dune 7th Oct 2013 09:17

About bl**dy time too.........

THE Defence bureaucracy will be hit with even more job cuts as the Abbott Government moves to place the $26 billion defence budget back on an even keel.
Defence Minister David Johnston said the defence *bureaucracy's 23,000 public servants was far too many.
He also admitted that his government had inherited a huge financial "mess'' and his aim was to maximise savings and "churn" the money back into capability.
About 7500 bureaucrats work for the defence-buying agency the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO), which costs taxpayers about $800 million a year to run. Its total annual purchasing budget is about $9 billion.
In Opposition Senator Johnston was a vocal critic of the DMO and its rapidly *expanding staff.
Speaking at the Navy's *Pacific 13 Seapower conference yesterday, he said most job cuts would come from natural attrition without *affecting capability, but he hinted at even deeper cuts.
"We are methodically going to trim them [jobs] back,'' he said.
"I believe 23,000 public servants is too heavy.''
The main talking point at the naval exposition yesterday was the so-called shipbuilding "valley of death'' where the gap in orders prior to a boom after 2022 could cause yards to close and thousands of jobs to be lost.
Industry figures warned that D-day for the industry was fast approaching and that unless a decision was taken by the end of the year to build something to "bridge'' the gap job losses would begin in 2014.
Shipbuilding firms have been lobbying the new minister to try and convince him to bring forward the replacement patrol boat project to bridge the valley.
A leading contender for the Armidale Class replacement could be a BAE Systems patrol vessel in service with several navies, including the Royal Thai Navy vessel HTMS Krabi currently in Sydney for the International Fleet Review.
BAE's Williamstown shipyard in Melbourne is at high risk once work on current ships runs out late next year. Without new work skilled workers will be laid off from mid-2014.
Work for new patrol boats (Pacific Patrol boats used by island nations are due for replacement as well) could be shared between Williamstown, Austral in WA, Incat in Tasmania and Forgacs in Newcastle.
According to an industry source there is no time to waste and the normal DMO tendering procedures, that can take years to negotiate, would make it too late.
"We don't have 18 months to wait,'' one source said.
The government is also examining plans to move some of the final eight or so blocks for the Air Warfare Destroyer project from Adelaide or Newcastle to Williamstown to keep workers employed.
Senator Johnston said the Coalition government was determined to avoid the "fits and starts" approach to naval shipbuilding.
"When we stop building ships we make it much harder to restart again," Senator Johnston said.
Dozens of companies are displaying their wares at the Pacific 2013 Maritime Exposition, which is being attended by thousands of sailors from Australia and around the world.
After that he can start on cutting the numbers of senior officers who seem to create jobs for themselves to justify their existence and therefore lots of unnecessary work for others.:mad:

Andu 7th Oct 2013 10:19

If this is true, there'll be cheers from every uniformed member of the ADF. The rot of civilian oversight of everything set in a long time ago and has become a monster. The average uniformed senior officer goes into Russell Hill for a three year posting, probably 75% of them wishing they were back in an operational unit - or anywhere but Canberra. The civilian mandarins within Defence have been there all their working lives, so know the System backwards - and more importantly, know how to run rings around their uniformed colleagues.

If it's anything today like it was when I was there, I'd say 80% of the civilians within Defence could be dumped and nothing would be lost - in fact, it would be a major improvement.

My prediction, I'm afraid, is not what most would like to hear. the civilian mandarins are so adept that protecting their empires that it's almost a guarantee that many if not most of the civilians the new government will get rid of will be the very ones they should keep - and the time-serving, oxygen-thieving dross will survive. And all too quickly, maintain or re-build their useless bloody empires.

500N 7th Oct 2013 13:04

Andu

It seems we have a similar problem to the UK MoD going on remarks
in the Military thread and the UK Media.

And for such a small military !

Fubaar 8th Oct 2013 05:34

I wish the new Defence Minister well. But if the past is anything to go by, the civilians within Defence will chew him up and eat him for breakfast - and convince his replacement that we desperately need MORE civilians running Defence.

DMO is the nearest thing to a black hole that mankind has ever created.

500N 8th Oct 2013 05:50

It will be interesting how they sort out this ship building.

For a start, you would think someone in Gov't would have
the foresight to look ahead and try to smooth things out,
even bringing certain projects forward to achieve a smooth
flow of work instead of pork barreling when decisions are
made based on politics.

We have such a small industry it can't be too complicated.

"Pacific Patrol boats used by island nations are due for replacement as well"
I wonder who is going to pay for those ?:O

Worrals in the wilds 8th Oct 2013 06:17


My prediction, I'm afraid, is not what most would like to hear. the civilian mandarins are so adept that protecting their empires that it's almost a guarantee that many if not most of the civilians the new government will get rid of will be the very ones they should keep - and the time-serving, oxygen-thieving dross will survive. And all too quickly, maintain or re-build their useless bloody empires.
Spot on the money. :D
The following image may contain photos of senior public servants. :E
http://www.cutestrange.com/wp-conten...-manta-ray.jpg
remora (fish) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

I wonder who is going to pay for those ?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/embarass.gif
You're probably right, but IMO it's cheaper than having our small neigbouring countries filled up with terrorists and other undeseriables because they can't/won't patrol their borders properly.

Andu 8th Oct 2013 22:08

You begin to understand why many major companies have a 'no talkies' clause as part of a severance package for any senior executive.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

It probably says as much about the current French President as it does about KRudd. To not even slightly misquote Prime Minister Abbott: "Does this man ever shut up?"

7x7 8th Oct 2013 22:18

An interesting -and I suspect accurate - observation made by 'Eunita' on the Pickering blog about the continuing disclosures on travel rorts.


I believe that Wong sifted thru these details before she was kicked from the Finance office. All of these claims were APPROVED. Why are they pulling up claims from 2006? They are drip feeding the media and releasing them at a time to embarrass the PM when he is overseas representing Australia. What other things have they collected and put away for 'an appropriate time'. You can see what they are doing. They will not leave Abbott alone and the next we will hear is a push for Turnbull to take the leadership. Disgusting scum. The only thing is we are not interested in their spin and 'gotchas'. We know how they operate as we have watch them for 6 horrible long years. We have a wonderful ELECTED Prime Minister in Tony Abbott and we will stand by him thru thick and thin. For me, it just makes me despise the left even more.

7x7 8th Oct 2013 22:25

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse, it does.

No Cookies | Herald Sun


ALP national secretary George Wright confirmed the Labor Party will not be footing the bill to fly MPs back to Canberra for the first time since the September 7 election. Instead the public will pay for flights, Comcar and other expenses. Opposition MPs will also be entitled to claim $268 in travel allowance if they stay overnight, adding to the cost of Labor's leadership experiment.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Oct 2013 22:31


"Does this man ever shut up?"
Attention Right Wing Labor; There's a job that needs doing. Bunnings can assist with the necessary equipment :E:}...


An interesting -and I suspect accurate - observation made by 'Eunita' on the Pickering blog about the continuing disclosures on travel rorts.
And this is the whole problem with kicking the opposing side without first checking that your own affairs are squeaky clean. The Qld LNP have also learned this the hard way.

All this has done is confirm to the long suffering Australian public that political snouts in the trough is a bi-partisan practice. :rolleyes: Anyway, I'm off to work out how my recent trip to see family was really for the benefit of my employer. 1. I wasn't at work whinging, 2. I came back happy and relaxed (for an hour or so), 3. A couple of people there worked in the same industry, well vaguely. 100% Expense claim coming at ya! :E:}

500N 9th Oct 2013 02:03

Check out this for bloody lazy journalism !
If this isn't slack, I don't know what is.


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CoodaShooda 9th Oct 2013 02:47

I suspect this hare has a lot of running to come; with Fairfax/ABC highlighting Liberal/National expenses and News Ltd highlighting Labor's.

To date, it seems that the Coalition has been making claims that accurately describe where they were and what they were doing. I presume there is an approving agency somewhere in the mix and that the claims aren't paid without scrutiny.

Slipper, on the other hand, has been charged because he has been found to have been doing things other than as identified in his claims.

I think labor will cop it over the use of VIP flights and hire cars. Although Dreyfuss is likely to cop some more over suggestions that the ski trip that he claimed as Travel Allowance in Canberra also cost the tax payer the price of flying his wife and two others to the ski field, plus a hire car. A bit more than the $446 he's repaying.

I can't see anyone coming out on top of this in the long run. (Wonder whether this is Julia's doing. :E)

500N 9th Oct 2013 02:58

As someone else said, Labor is playing with fire stirring up
expenses claim issues.

They should have picked something else.

MTOW 9th Oct 2013 03:07

Some might say that Labor are sticking true to form. They ***ed up everything they touched during six years in (what could only very loosely be called) government, and it would seem they're still at it now.


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