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RJM 5th Oct 2013 00:30

There's also a good piece by Graham Richardson on what was wrong with the Summers-Gillard love-ins last week. I pay Murdoch his tribute money, so I'll post the pice shortly.

RJM 5th Oct 2013 02:17

Graham Richardson -

THERE is no question that Julia Gillard will have a place in Australian history. As one of the handful of people who have ever risen to occupy the highest office in the land, it is a place to which she is entitled.

In a century's time, when another generation of Australians read their history books, they will form their opinions on how she was treated. The writers of those history books will have pored over thousands of pages of Hansard, hundreds of thousands of column centimetres of newspaper clippings and countless hours of television interviews and radio transcripts. There is a massive amount of information available now that these historians will lap up.

Very few of them, I suspect, will spend much time examining her two performances with Anne Summers this week. And performances they were. Neither could possibly be described as interviews. They were adulatory in nature, and tough questions were avoided like the plague. The ex-prime minister always had her fans and 2600 of them packed the Sydney Opera House to the rafters. They cheered every blink of an eye or wave of a hand. This was a reception held in her honour and she is actually entitled to that. An interview, however, it was not.

As performances go, it was very, very good. Gillard always had the capacity to charm but during her period in the top job that capacity was very rarely witnessed - it was reserved for private one-on-one chats but never on public display. Her speech developed a weird cadence, and the pausing and emphasis were unnatural and awkward.

But this week she was terrific. She sounded like a normal person and that meant she was so much easier to listen to. If only that manner of speaking had come to the fore a couple of years ago, her political story might have had a different ending.

Her stance on Tony Abbott's alleged misogyny got the greatest applause. I believe her famous "I will not be lectured on sexism by this man" speech was a great speech. It was picked up by women all over the world. Gillard became an instant international celebrity. The Opera House audience and no doubt another million or two of their countrymen and women loved it too. In a few short minutes she re-energised her supporters and herself as well. But neither she nor those adoring fans gathered around her this week ever understood that the speech and the theme that she tried to maintain until her demise never delivered her one vote. Most Australians were completely unaffected by it.

Summers set the tone of all this with an aside about how no one in the room had ever been polled. In other words, the polls were always wrong. The people really loved their first woman prime minister. Underlying much of the discourse and interwoven through so many audience questions was the view that Gillard had been ruthlessly stalked and undermined because she was a woman. Much was made of the disgusting internet and social media attacks on her.

Gillard has every right to feel violated by Larry Pickering and the lunatic fringe. Some of the depictions of her were beneath contempt, but again, most Australians never saw them. Australians did not turn on the former PM because she was a woman but rather because she was a political failure.

As deputy PM she showed so much promise but she couldn't make the next step - it was a rung too far. That is why the two interviews this week annoyed me: other failures were not even referred to, let alone probed.

When the carbon tax was obliquely referred to in Melbourne, Gillard's view was that all would have been well had she not relented and agreed to use the word "tax". She would do well to remember history when she is trying to shape it. In the first few days after she announced the carbon price she did indeed try to insist that it wasn't a tax. For those few fleeting moments she tried to suggest that it was all semantics. She relented and admitted it was a tax because absolutely everyone knew what it was. She could not sustain the tax denial as every economist, commentator and punter knew this was much more fundamental than a semantic argument.

Summers could not bring herself to ask the obvious follow-up question: why did you set the price at four or five times the European rate? Then again, that should have led to many more questions, like why continue to support Peter Slipper, why keep saying she had "faith" in Craig Thomson long after that faith should have evaporated, why repeat the surplus promise hundreds of times when every chief executive, shareholder and economist knew it was impossible? As some point Gillard needs to do a real interview where she faces up to the reasons people lost faith in her.

One thing she got right this week, though, was her veiled criticism of Kevin Rudd. Despite Chris Bowen's absurd denials this week, Rudd deliberately and effectively sabotaged the 2010 election campaign. For a full 18 months after that he shamelessly and ruthlessly undermined her.

For all of this treachery, Australians still liked him, and his resurrection did stop an electoral slaughter that would have really scuttled Gillard's place in history. I wonder what would have happened had Rudd behaved properly and honourably during the 2010 campaign. I wonder what could have happened had Gillard been able to win a few more seats and been able to govern in her own right without having to placate the Greens and the other odd bods and sods among the independents. Sadly, we will never know. Sadly, we are left with a different reality, which neither Gillard nor Summers were prepared to face this week.

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bosnich71 5th Oct 2013 03:26

Having read Richardson's article, to quote Mr. Oates, "I'm going outside, I may be some time".

I'm about to vomit

Andu 5th Oct 2013 07:14

It's straight out of '1984'. Winston Smith (aka the Labor Pardee) beavering away re-writing history. And with so many of our teachers and university lecturers so highly politicized - and all in the one direction - those history books Richardson referred to in his article will all contain only the 'approved' version of events.

George Orwell really had his sh*t together, didn't he?

bosnich71 5th Oct 2013 07:59

As George once wrote .......

" During the times of Universal deceipt, the telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. :suspect:

Clare Prop 5th Oct 2013 08:10

Join the dots...George Orwell..Fabian Society...Hawke, Gillard etc and the transformation of one of the most sinister figures in literature, Big Brother, to an asinine TV programme that normalises having cameras watching your every move.

1984 was apparently written to warn the world what the Fabians were planning. Gillard was using it as an instruction book.

Wolves in sheep's clothing. Evil.

Worrals in the wilds 5th Oct 2013 08:53

And they lost, don't forget. Hosed out by the electorate and voted back to (literally, in Gillard's case) the university refec. :bored:

I read Richo's article when it came out and thought it hit the spot. However, if the right wing of the ALP (particularly the former MPs turned penmeisters Richo and Latham) want to see the good ol' boys get back in the driving seat they need to address their own issues. Post election they can afford to be a little bit sanctimonious but only a little bit. A very little bit. :hmm:

While their NSW branch still smells like a second hand sandshoe shop both of them would be better off not milking the moral high ground too much, otherwise people might have a close look at some of their current powerbrokers rather than simply enjoying articles written by former ones.

Irritating though the left can be, there's a lot of 'at least they're not racketeers' sentiment from the would-be believers. Of course I'm not suggesting anyone is a racketeer (your honour :suspect::}) but there's a perception out in suburbia that the right are less than honest. 'They're dicks, but they're honest dicks' paraphrases a lot of pro-Albo commentary I've been hearing recently.

RJM 5th Oct 2013 09:02

I had to laugh at the phrase 'honest dick' being applied to 'Therapeutic Albo'. :}

(For those not aware, Albo has allegedly patronised a certain 'Thai Therapeutic Massage Parlour', presumably not at the direction of Mrs Albo.)

Worrals in the wilds 5th Oct 2013 09:21

For sure. The beer with Thomson during the election campagin was another well publicised own goal. At least we were spared the sight of Albo rolling around in his undies licking a hammer, but next to that having a drink with ol' mate Craig came a close second when it came to attracting media attention. :uhoh:

This is the problem; habits that went largely unreported in the 1980s political heyday are now on Facebook for everyone to see. Everyone's got a camera/telegram machine in their pocket, ie a smartphone. Everyone's a reporter. This has also hit the Libs, particularly in Queensland (and Brandis in the federal sphere) so they're not blameless either.

All of them have to wake up to the fact that whatever they do will be reported somewhere. They're no longer protected by a semi-friendly media with editors who decide what's going to press. Everything's out there, and if it's not pretty? Expect to be reading about it.

Is a massage parlour better or worse than misusing funds? How about appointing your rellies to well paid positions (as both sides have form for)? Of course all are bad, but which is badder? The Libs are lucky with Abbott in that he seems to be monstrously boring, but I've no doubt there will be ministers who aren't so squeaky clean. What then?

RJM 5th Oct 2013 13:04

"TAKE THAT, YOU BASTARD!"

For those who enjoy a bit of a yarn, here's Larry Pickering paying out Graham Richardson for questioning his journalistic status and abilities:

SCRIBBLINGS OF A LUNATIC FRINGE-DWELLER - The Pickering Post

Worrals in the wilds 6th Oct 2013 03:45

I'm intrigued as to how he comes up with his readership figure of 800K when his combined total hits on his site and Fbook is 300 000 :hmm:. One would assume that there is some crossover between the two (people who read his website probably also like his Facebook page) so the number of actual fans would be less rather than more.

The Australian sells over 125K papers a day (according to their website) which Pickering conveniently forgets to mention. How many people who buy it then read Richo's column is impossible to determine, but I'll bet it's higher than the zero Pickering has attributed to it.

As for the rest; is any of it actually new? He concedes himself that the AFR broke the Swiss bank account story back in the days of yore, and the rest of it seems to be the same ol' yarns that have been doing the rounds for years. :zzz:

However, the bit I find most curious is how he first claims that Richardson has no influence, then goes on to detail how he has influenced various recent ALP decisions including the Gillard coup. :confused:

I enjoy the occasional Pickering rant and there's no doubt he has some good sources, but TBQH I thought this one was a bit flat.

500N 6th Oct 2013 05:41

I have to say it, but life is quite boring on the political front.

The best they seem to be able to come up with is money
on expenses :O

I must say thought that it is nice it being boring !

As for Richardson and Oakes, well, I hate to think how many
ghosts they have in the closet, neither are the epitome of
standards when it comes to behavior !

RJM 6th Oct 2013 06:00


I enjoy the occasional Pickering rant and there's no doubt he has some good sources, but TBQH I thought this one was a bit flat.
True, Worrals, but it doesn't hurt to trot it out once more and wave it in the face of those sanctimonious Lefties. Whose columnists now seem to have the attitude that 'We've decided to give you (the Right) a go now, let's see if you can measure up to our high standards.'

500N 6th Oct 2013 06:03

"We've decided to give you (the Right) a go now, let's see if you
can measure up to our high standards.'"

The left.

Set the bar low and then fail to achieve it but still tell everyone they have :O

7x7 6th Oct 2013 07:51

From the Andrew Bolt blog. (My boldface.)


A BRITISH jihadist is suspected of developing chemical weapons for the terrorists behind the Kenyan shopping centre massacre, raising fears that al-Qaeda will use them on Western targets.

Madhi Hashi, 24, is accused of being a leading figure in al-Shabaab, the African affiliate of al-Qaeda. He was captured while preparing to fly to Yemen to discuss the group’s campaign…

Mr Hashi was born in Mogadishu and came to Britain in 1995, obtaining citizenship in 2004. Last summer his family was told that Theresa May, the Home Secretary, had revoked his citizenship because he was “involved in Islamist extremism and presented a risk to national security”.
I think Tony Abbott would get a lot of support (except of course, from the ALPBC and Fairfax) if he did something similar with more than a few "hyphen-Australians" who seem to think their "hypen" more important than their "Australian" in their (all too often dual) citizenship.

500N 6th Oct 2013 07:58

7x7

Under Rudd / Gillard, the lefties kicked up a real stink when
someone received an adverse ASIO assessment with appeal
after appeal.

I don't doubt Abbott will take a harder line and I wonder
if the lefties will maybe take a more sensible approach :rolleyes:

Personally, I think ANY hint of any type of activity should
automatically have them shipped back to own country and
if they want to argue the point, they do it from there instead
of tying up our resources and courts.

SOPS 6th Oct 2013 07:59

7x7, I could be wrong, but I reckon that could very well be on the way:ok:

RJM 6th Oct 2013 10:19

Provided the court concerned isn't top-heavy with Labor's appointees.

RJM 6th Oct 2013 10:57

Give us a break!

I've just watched a replay of today's ABC Insiders program.

The top story was Abbott's successful visit to Indonesia. The soundtrack to the vision was, naturally enough, the Rolling Stones' 'Sympathy For The Devil'. How revealing of the ABC's mindset.

Barrie Cassidy pontificated that the reports are in and the consensus is that Abbott hasn't done as badly as expected (by Cassidy and his mates, who believe their own bullsh*t). As if, having failed to properly report on the worst Australian government in decades, the love media can now sit back and scrutinise Abbott's every move.

After the vision of speeches including by the Indonesian Minister for Trade (whose name or position the ABC didn't bother to display) agreeing forcefully with Abbott's previous statement that both countries should look to improve trade between themselves, the ABC cut straight to Kerri-Ann Kennerly who launched breathlessly into a criticism of Abbott for flying at taxpayers' expense to a wedding - in 2006 - on a ticket that he has since paid for himself.

Never mind that Abbott's important Indonesian trip could begin to repair the damage to trade done by the Labor government, beginning with live cattle exports. Never mind, for that matter, that Julia Gillard and Penny Wong flew a few weeks ago at government expense to the wedding of one of Wong's staffers, an incident which the ABC and Fairfax won't report.

The sooner these one-eyed, whining luvvies of the Left, who dominate the government's vast media machine, are swept out the better. Not to be replaced by counterparts from the Right - ordinary, competent journalists will do.

SOPS 6th Oct 2013 11:02

Let them keep it up RJM. If they keep biting the hand that feeds it, the might find that the hand bites back.....very hard!!!


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