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SOPS 2nd Oct 2013 10:32

I don't even know why I bother to read this stuff. However, note to Tony. Can you please make your next job a complete clean out of the ALPBC from top to bottom ?

And advise those people who think 50000 country shoppers a 'trickle', and the cost just to process them at $200000 each, 'acceptable', that they may need to find alternative employment.

Tony Abbott's incredible disappearing act - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I16 2nd Oct 2013 10:40

bob each way?
Always interesting where ALP pollies went to school, one contender went to Xavier College Melbourne the other to St. Mary's Cathedral Sydney.

There is so much out there, Craig Thomson is a kiwi and married three times.
Peter Slipper was an Anglican priest for two years from 2008 and this year a member of the Palmer Party for seven hours !! :hmm:

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Oct 2013 11:53

The supposedly extreme and crazy Larry Pickering calls it pretty well, imho:
Because Pickering always has the Labor Party's interests at heart :hmm:. There's a working theory that states; back whoever Pickering doesn't...:}

500N 2nd Oct 2013 11:53


Now that is a person who is a waste of Oxygen and I still don't know
why the media continues reporting her story every time their is a change
when 95% of the population couldn't GAF about her.

Clare Prop 2nd Oct 2013 11:58

So the unelected Howes is saying that the ALP people shouldn't be allowed a conscience vote on gay marriage but must follow the party line. Is he the new ALP leader then? Did I miss something?

I didn't know ALP people had a conscience, following the party line is all they can do, it's not like they have to think for themselves or represent their electorate or anything silly like that.

Howes seems to represent all that is wrong with the ALP.

For the record I couldn't give a hoot one way or the other about gay marriage.

500N 2nd Oct 2013 11:59


One of the replies to that article from "ROGER"

"Strange concept of a lack of freedom of the press you have. The new decisions by the government don't preclude journalists from doing what they always used to do, before they got used to lazily and thoughtlessly parroting ALP press releases. That is, a bit of investigative journalism of their own. We've already heard that some Christmas Island inhabitants have indicated they are happy to provide daily updates. Problem is, it involves the Canberra press gallery getting off their bar stools and restaurant chairs, and engaging their own brains. In other words, earning their living, for a change. No gulags here, you're mistaking the Abbott government for the former ALP government - you know, the one that actually tried to legislate an attack on the freedom of the press only a few months ago!"

RJM 2nd Oct 2013 12:00

SOPS - I read a few of the responses under that article. All I can think is that too much listening to the endless partisan opinionating by Leftie luvvies on the ABC has blinded (most of) the posters to common sense and rationality. When will they wake up?

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Oct 2013 12:06

So the unelected Howes is saying that the ALP people shouldn't be allowed a conscience vote on gay marriage but must follow the party line. Is he the new ALP leader then? Did I miss something?
No, you didn't. :bored:

Simple question for Howes... Howe's (sorry :}:E) your corporate Qantas girlfriend?

RJM 2nd Oct 2013 12:13

Because Pickering always has the Labor Party's interests at heart . There's a working theory that states; back whoever Pickering doesn't...
I dunno about that, Worrals. I'll have another look at Pickering's ranting, but I've never pegged him for an ALP fellow traveller. Could be wrong though...

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Oct 2013 12:14

I dunno about that, Worrals. I'll have another look at Pickering's ranting, but I've never pegged him for an ALP fellow traveller. Could be wrong though...
Don't strain yourself, I was being sarcastic...:E;)

RJM 2nd Oct 2013 12:35

Moi? Strain? Thank you anyway...

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Oct 2013 12:39

Goodo, it's only politics. :cool:
Marginally less important than footy. :E

Flying Binghi 2nd Oct 2013 12:55

Gillard opens up on carbon pricing, sexism | News.com.au

"...In just her second major public appearance since being dethroned .. Ms Gillard had to laugh when an 11-year-old girl asked her if she actually had any fun while serving as prime minister.

"I don't want the whole thing to sound Dickensian, like I was in some dark, satanic mill," she said. "I wasn't. I was living at The Lodge, ..."

Some dark satanic mill" Hmmm... Bleak House more like it...

Why the satanic reference. What goes on in that mind ?

I see a movie being made called Seeming There.

Unlike Being There with the main character being an angelic TV educated Chauncey Gardiner showing up the political class, in Seeming There the main character will be a TV fixated doofus straight from hell that has the ABC latte set fornicating with TV remote controls. The final act will see the giggling doofus walk off into the sunset across lake Burly Griffith while the ABC elite discuss making her their new boss...:hmm:


500N 3rd Oct 2013 20:29

Jees, what is it with the Greens ?

Are they trying to make themselves relevant ?

In the last 2 or 3 days on TV News or Front page newspaper,
Have seen Two dads, the leader Milne and Adam Bandt
all making 30 second quotes, mostly on AS after the last
two boats sank !!!

7x7 4th Oct 2013 02:05

Lifted from the Peace and Love thread. Really worth both reading and forwarding to everyone on your mailing list, as it applies equally to Australia.

Quadrant Online - Young, angry, male and Muslim

Flying Binghi 4th Oct 2013 02:16

From the 7x7 link...

"...The shameful failure of Western feminism to support suffering sisters in Islamic societies is incomprehensible for its lack of moral fibre and convenient elevation of moral relativity as a key rationale...."

Quadrant Online - Young, angry, male and Muslim


Worrals in the wilds 4th Oct 2013 02:52

Yep :sad:.
Many Indian feminists said the same thing after the Delhi rape/murder.

bosnich71 4th Oct 2013 09:53

A bit off course, but yet another female M.P. only this time a British one rabbiting about sexism, call it what you will,which just goes to prove that it isn't only an Australian thing.
British Liberal Democrat M.P. (Miss, Mrs. Ms.) ? Jo Swinson, minister for Women and Equalities has just suggested that women should ask male colleagues how much they earn as a way for women to achieve equal pay with males.
A couple of points ...
Is there a minister for men and equalities?
Her statement came during an interview with Elle magazine, is there a Lui magazine, staffed entirely by blokes naturally?
If I, a man, was ever asked by another male colleague what I earned I would tell him to please to mind his own business .... but a tad stronger language. Would it be acceptable to tell a female colleague to F.O.Q.?

Saltie 4th Oct 2013 22:21

Would it be acceptable to tell a female colleague to F.O.Q.?
No, bonsich, that would be definitely sexist bordering on misogynistic - in Juliaspeak at least.

Fubaar 4th Oct 2013 22:54

I haven't bought the paper today, so can't confirm this, but saw it on the Pickering Post:

from the Oz............ASYLUM-SEEKERS have asked doctors for breast enlargements, IVF treatment and botox.
When I told Mrs Fubaar this news, her immediate reply was: "And you know, I'll bet they got it."

The same thread says that Tamils returned to Sri Lanka get full dental treatment at Australian taxpayers' expense before they're sent back. Aren't they also given $3300 as well to encourage them to go?

Edited to add: someone's supplied the link

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
With the Australian you are often unable to read an article in its entirety because you have to log into their website........at a cost of course. Iíve been able to copy it so Iíve pasted it below...just in case!

The Australian
5 October 2015

ASYLUM-SEEKERS have asked doctors for breast enlargements, IVF treatment and botox, according to the former director of medical health services for Australia's offshore asylum processing network.

Ling Yoong, who helped set up medical services on Nauru and Manus Island and worked on Christmas Island, said the cosmetic operations were requested when asylum-seekers underwent other regular medical checks and necessary treatment.

"We give (the asylum-seekers) the health services they need; we do not give them the services they want," Dr Yoong said in an interview with industry magazine Medical Observer published this week. A medical source familiar with the demands said they had been made in all three offshore locations.

"I was employed to give them the health checks and intervention they needed, but some of the people started demanding things they wanted," the source said. "A woman wanted bigger breasts and said she did not like the ones she had.

"These are the more extreme examples, but I continued to get the impression that many of these people were not genuine refugees.

"If I were a refugee, I would be quietly grateful for arriving somewhere safely, not asking for breast surgery."

Former foreign minister Bob Carr caused outrage among some sections of the community in June when he declared asylum-seekers were increasingly "economic migrants".

Julia Gillard's former communications director John McTernan labelled them "Iranian architects".

The medical source said she believed she was witnessing the initial stages of a growing trade in "medical asylum", where people who were not otherwise persecuted, but who had little or no access to healthcare, were making trips to Australia in the belief they could get any treatment they wanted.

"You have to be logical and rational about this and as much as I supported the genuine refugees, I knew more and more were not," the source said.

She said she originally got into the field of asylum health because she wanted to treat people.

"I have a lot of empathy for refugees ... when I started, I told myself I was just going to be treating people, I said I was not going to get involved in the politics," she said.

"But I soon went from dealing with mostly human misery to human demands."

A source close to the former Labor government was not aware of the specific instances of medical requests but was "not surprised" by them.

The source cautioned against using the requests as a direct link to refugee status.

"Somebody can have a well-founded fear of persecution which would not make them an economic migrant, it would make them an asylum-seeker," the source said.

A spokesman for Immigration Minister Scott Morrison said these types of requests were "lavish" ... Those seeking to come illegally by boat won't receive such lavish treatments and they won't get the settlement in Australia they paid people-smugglers for."

An asylum-seeker advocate, who did not wish to be named, conceded there were small numbers of people arriving on boats who were "muddying the waters" for those in genuine fear of their life.

"Obviously somebody asking for a boob job is outrageous but from the deep, deep experience I have in this sector, I'd say it's also an aberration," the advocate said.

"These are not the normal stories of horrific nature we are used to hearing."

Details of the medical requests emerged as Mr Morrison said the government was negotiating a series of understandings with the Indonesian government over asylum-seekers, but wouldn't say whether they included the Coalition's signature policy of turning boats back to Indonesia.

A delegation of Australian officials was in Indonesia working through the issues, and a high-level delegation, including operation commander Mark Binskin, retired major general Jim Molan and AFP Commissioner Tony Negus would visit next week.

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