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CoodaShooda 30th Sep 2013 11:47

It's not so much the 'reading' but the framing of strategy and tactics around the news content that's the real problem.

If you're always running to respond to each outlet's version of events and basing your actions primarily on how they'll be reported, you end up with a paralysed form of institutional schizophrenia.........(oh, hang on....).

If you provide basic, sound, consistent government, you'll be judged on your performance and the various media outlets will be publicly judged on their reporting of it.

Murdoch didn't make the majority vote conservative. They got there making their judgement on a range of information sources. But News Ltd, unlike Fairfax, went where the mob was leading and got the sales.

500N 30th Sep 2013 12:10

Cooda

"If you're always running to respond to each outlet's version of events and basing your actions primarily on how they'll be reported, you end up with a paralysed form of institutional schizophrenia........."

It sounds like a variation on Paralysis by analysis !

But what you say is very true which is what I said, TA is setting the agenda,
not letting the media set it.

7x7 30th Sep 2013 12:19


If you're always running to respond to each outlet's version of events and basing your actions primarily on how they'll be reported, you end up with a paralysed form of institutional schizophrenia.........(oh, hang on....).
I think you've nailed it with that comment, Cooda, and I accept that Tony Abbott is attempting to step away from what Rudd turned into a near obsession. (He really was/is a very sad case, IMHO.) However, I think TA will have to give the monster a regular feed, even if it's a near starvation ration. But if he tries to starve it completely, it'll find its food elsewhere, even if it's from the Parliament House cleaners. :)

500N 30th Sep 2013 12:24

He will feed it, he will, but when he has some decent newsworthy
news to give, not some 30 second sound bite.

If he comes back from Indonesia after a good visit and Julie
comes back from the UN, that's two positive stories they
could spin.

And in view of the fact that both the Leader and Deputy
were going to be out of the country so soon after the
election, probably wise to let the media go quiet until they
get back.

bosnich71 30th Sep 2013 12:27

Politicians who used the R.A.A.F. V.I.P. flights out of Tulla bound for Canberra always had to have that morning's papers supplied for them as part of the contract with the aircraft minders.
I often had to go off, in my own transport, and at my expense, to the nearest newsagents to buy them because the delivery bloke was late. Oh, and they always had copies of every paper available regardless of it's political affiliation. :sad:

SOPS 30th Sep 2013 17:24

He is a goat herder. He wants to come to Australia on an illegal boat. The skills he provides in goat herding will be sought in Australia where?

He will then herd himself to the nearest Centrelink office, to find out how much a out of work person who has goat skills can get in Australia.

Sri Lankan Tamils say they would still be prepared to pay people smugglers to journey to Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

500N 30th Sep 2013 17:41

SOPS
I like this from that article
"The heavenly life they were expecting will not materialize" :O

Also, Abbott has got his positive headline.

Indonesia concedes on Abbott demands

Indonesia concedes on Abbott demands

Worrals in the wilds 30th Sep 2013 19:47


He is a goat hearder. He wants to come to Australia on an illegal boat. The skills he provides in goat hearding will be sought in Australia where?
I dunno, he'd be a natural at crowd control...:E:}
Seriously, are Tamils still eligible for refugee status? I thought they got knocked off the list and a bunch got sent back, and that was even before the change of government.

He also pleased Indonesian sensitivities by taking an unusually tough line on protesters in Australia agitating for independence for the Indonesian territory of Papua. "The government of Australia takes a very dim view of anyone seeking to use our country as a platform for grandstanding against Indonesia. We will do everything that we possibly can to discourage this and prevent this.''
Will they just? To borrow a slogan doing the rounds up here, here we Joh again. :bored:

Takan Inchovit 30th Sep 2013 20:07


Will they just? To borrow a slogan doing the rounds up here, here we Joh again.
Now, dont you worry about that.

500N 30th Sep 2013 20:12

I beleive Tamils are off the list or at least not "seen" as refugees
as readily as others. They are also "vetted" by ASIO which has
been one of the issues as ASIO has given adverse assessments
on a few of them which have been challenged !!!

Worrals in the wilds 30th Sep 2013 20:48

IIRC one of the things that the new government's dumped quickly is the ability to challenge an adverse ASIO assessment :suspect:.
Being able to do so was a fairly recent thing brought in during the last term, no doubt due to bleating from the Greens.

500N 30th Sep 2013 20:52

Part of the reason was because of one AS who had an adverse
finding by ASIO. She challenge and challenge it.

It was discussed on the ABC Radio, she disputed the fact she was a rebel
even though she was recruited as a teenager - 14 ? - and some 17 years
later was still a rebel yet she claimed she was coerced into doing it :rolleyes:
ASIO said otherwise.

She lost.

The Gov't needs to remove as many rights of appeal as possible.

500N 30th Sep 2013 21:53

I think Abbott scored a few victories with the Indos judging
by what is being said by the Indos. Not often they concede
but I think they might have realised the easy game of ignoring
the problem was up and that a new team was in town that
played a bit harder.

Andu 30th Sep 2013 22:49

The ALPBC and Chris Bowen seem to be going out of their way to find someone in Indonesia who feels offended on the question of sovereignty.

Some will remember the emails that were doing the rounds a few months ago that tried to bring the US national debt to an understandable level by removing a whole bunch of zeros from it and then using the resulting 'household budget' figures that remained to come up with a really scary example of a household heading for financial disaster. Along similar lines, can we look at the question of sovereignty and offence taken when it is infringed by bringing the question of turning boats back to a neighbourhood squabble?

Your neighbour has a willow tree that hangs over into your yard, with roots that are also coming into your yard under the fence and are lifting your driveway - the driveway that leads to your garage. Not wanting to cause unnecessary trouble ("offence"?), you show him your buggered driveway and tell him you're going to have to cut those roots back at the fenceline. In passing, you also ask him if he'd mind cutting back the large branches that are hanging over the fence and obstructing your driveway.

The neighbour's teenage son (aka his 'foreign minister') is with him. He takes "offence". "Don't you dare cut back those roots," he declares, "That will damage my favourite tree," (or to put it another way: "it will infringe on my tree's sovereignty"), "And as for cutting back those overhanging branches, no way; it will destroy the symmetry of my tree."

What do you tell your neighbour?

And ,(unless you're Chris Bowen, who'll tug his forelock and leave the car out on the front street now that he "can't possibly" put the car in the garage any more, as it will damage the neighbour's tree), what do you do with those overhanging branches after you've cut them off? You are quite within your right to throw them back into your neighbour's yard. AS IS YOUR RIGHT BY LAW.

There you go. International diplomacy reduced to an understandable level. The only difference is that, as a house owner, if you have a bully for a neighbour with feral teenage sons and you don't have the balls to stand up to their unreasonable behaviour, you can elect to move. As a nation, you either curl up into the foetal position and take whatever the neighbouring country dishes out to you, (as Chris Bowen/Kevin Rudd/Julia Gillard and every other member of the Labor/GREENS government seems content to do), or you tell that neighbouring nation that their idea of "sovereignty" and accepting back unwanted intrusions from their sovereign borders into our sovereign borders is totally out of order.

500N 30th Sep 2013 22:56

Andu

Talking of Indonesian Sovereignty, did you see Abbott's quote
in the article today.

"Mr Abbott also said in the presence of Dr Yudhoyono: "People smuggling is an issue of sovereignty, especially for Australia."

However, he emphasised Australia's "total respect for Indonesia's sovereignty, a total respect for Indonesia's territorial integrity"."




I thought it was a brilliant deflection back using the same words
as well as being very true.

bosnich71 30th Sep 2013 23:49

ANDU, I don't think that, as a nation " we curled up in the foetal position", but more a case that Krudd, Dillard and the Melons, etc. weren't very bothered with the idea of country shoppers arriving here by the shed load as long as they became a vote for the left 2 years after they came here.
A bit like Blair, Brown etc. in Britain actually admitted to.

Flying Binghi 1st Oct 2013 01:01

"...cancelled the live cattle trade in panic at a TV program..."


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500N 1st Oct 2013 01:06

Yes, I did notice that he brought up the live cattle trade.

I also noticed, and it was commented on that Abbott took a swipe
at Rudd et al while on an OS trip, something that is not normally done.
Apart from the obvious chance to have a go at Rudd, I was surprised
he broke the convention.

Either way, they (Labor) totally fcuked an industry for no reason at all.
A bit like grounding all aircraft across Australia because of one crash :ugh:

Flying Binghi 1st Oct 2013 01:21


...something that is not normally done....
What choice did he have ? The sheer scale of the stupidity, the sheer scale of the insult required it to be mentioned.

Looking to move on though...

"There have been times when all sides of Australian politics should have said less and done more..."










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Worrals in the wilds 1st Oct 2013 05:45


"...cancelled the live cattle trade in panic at a TV program..."
From the litany of :mad:ups, IMO that was the single dumbest decision.
Imagine if they'd shut down the sugar industry cos it's bad for people or the car industry to stop car accidents; it was that stupid. :ugh:

Anyway, they've got a few years to think over their mistakes. Hopefully they'll use the time productively.


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