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Flying Binghi 28th Jun 2012 14:46

A cringe for Angus...
 
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Some hard to listen to words from what is supposed to be our adult Prime Minister...


JULIA Gillard delivered a heartfelt apology last night: to Liz, the wife of the retiring Australian Defence Force chief Angus Houston…

Kicking off what she called “the festival of Angus” with a farewell dinner at the Australian War Memorial, Ms Gillard declared: “.. Liz, I wanted to say to you tonight some words you might find quite hard to hear. And that is every woman I know is a little bit in love with your husband.

“I know that might be difficult news, but I’ve tested this proposition with the Governor-General, Quentin Bryce, who’s a little bit in love with your husband; I’m a little bit in love with your husband and Kate Harrison, who works in my office and was John Faulkner’s former chief of staff, is in love with your husband in almost an unseemly way!


“So every woman is a little bit in love with Angus. And we’re a little bit in love with Angus because of his qualities, and they just shine through.”



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eagle 86 28th Jun 2012 21:59

Worked with AH years ago - nice bloke good pilot - immigration expert no. Another cowardly ducking from under by juliar - the honourable thing to do was call a double dissolution. Fat ugly lobster.
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Buster Hyman 28th Jun 2012 22:27

eagle86. From a humanitarian perspective, I think this needs to be resolved pretty quickly to stop the boats & potential losses of life. An election now would delay a solution, albeit a possibly better outcome for all concerned though.

I still find the lack of finger pointing at the Watermelons (love that term) shows a distinct lack of spine in the ALP &, for that matter, the Libs too. (Can't understand why Abbott isn't laying into them more)

At the end of the day though, she is the PM & should be banging on...err...Bang Bang's door & telling him to pull his finger out & get his Navy to work with ours to stop the smuggling. Once the boats stop, then we can take the time to get the Policy that works for us, works for Indonesia, and works for genuine refugees.

frigatebird 28th Jun 2012 23:17


So we end up with noone to doing anything and the leaky boats seem to be forming a queue from Jakarta to Christmas Island.:ugh::ugh:
One solution would be to just GIVE Christmas Island and the Cocoas to the Yanks as another of their colonys, and then it would be THEIR immigration problem. (Or we could lease them Nuclear Bases on them around which they would be required to have an Exclusion Zone).
Would make the economic refugees take an even longer boatride in rough seas to the Aus mainland then if they were still keen..

An English Channel was wide enough to prevent an invasion when backed by a resolute defence 70 years ago..

eagle 86 29th Jun 2012 00:01

BH,
Do agree - there is absolutely no way she would call a DD. I doubt that "honour" is a characteristic that this abomination of a PM has ever heard of.
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Worrals in the wilds 29th Jun 2012 00:30


I still find the lack of finger pointing at the Watermelons (love that term) shows a distinct lack of spine in the ALP &, for that matter, the Libs too. (Can't understand why Abbott isn't laying into them more)
I dunno, I think this all would have been resolved without them, due to their typical extreme, impractical position that's at odds with the views of the vast majority of Australians. Even most of us pinko/lefto types want some form of border control and screening, not the 'come one come all' approach the Greens are inexplicably pushing for.

Unfortunately though, the ALP need them and the Libs know that. Otherwise they'd be a lone voice in the wilderness that everyone could safely ignore and get on with governing.

What's happened is what we all knew would happen when the ALP went into a coalition with The Greens; they're enforcing their own extremist, nutty views on the government and creating a stalemate. This particular stalemate is causing more fatalities amongst the very immigrants they claim to want to protect but that doesn't matter an inch to them. :ugh: This is typical Greens/ wealthy urban socialists behaviour; all about the Cause and nothing about the practicalities. :yuk:

Despite all the crocodile tears Labor wants to cling to any power they can find, hence the unwillingness to concede to the Libs, despite letting the problem (and the fatalities) continue. Meanwhile, the Libs are happy to let the government stink of this, and TBQH? I don't blame them.

This is the government's cock up, not the opposition's. While the government is composed partly of Greens (or Green :E) they're not likely to get a resolution.

Meanwhile, boats keep coming and ordinary people on both sides of the debate just get crankier with all three parties in general and The Greens/the ALP in particular.

allan907 29th Jun 2012 01:14

There's a rumour going around that SHY only cried because she had just learnt that pies were off the menu at the trough - sorry - Members' Dining Room.

eagle 86 29th Jun 2012 01:24

Apparently shy was tweeting, amongst the tears, about a rock concert she'd been to. She is a genuinely evil b1tch.
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parabellum 29th Jun 2012 01:28

I wonder if anyone has sent her a t w e e t yet that simply says, "Diddums":E

Worrals in the wilds 29th Jun 2012 01:29


She is a genuinely evil b1tch.
Yep.
100% acting IMO, and not very good acting at that. :hmm:
Women who bung on the waterworks for effect really, really annoy me. Maybe it's a girl thing.
One thing can be said for Gillard; she doesn't do it.

CoodaShooda 29th Jun 2012 02:40


One thing can be said for Gillard; she doesn't do it.
Ummm, February 2011 in Parliament, talking about the Queensland floods?

The cynical response at the time may have convinced her that it wasn't a good tactic.

Worrals in the wilds 29th Jun 2012 02:56

Forgot about that one. :\

david1300 29th Jun 2012 04:43

Breaking News - Expert Group Formed
 
First picture of Gillard's Expert Group to advise on Asylum Seekers has just been released:
http://i47.tinypic.com/1624q4h.jpg

allan907 29th Jun 2012 05:07

So, with only about 30% electorate support and now her partner party in government unable to be relied upon to pass essential legislation why the f... is Jooliar still hanging on to the reins of power and not calling an election?

:mad:

Andu 29th Jun 2012 05:18

It’s beginning to look like finals for 27R at Heathrow up there...
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Another boat carrying 44 people was sighted off Christmas Island late last night.
and...
Smugglers freed as new boats arrive

One small steel boat with about 44 men on board - understood to be Sri Lankan - is now being off-loaded by barge at the island's small port, Flying Fish Cove, and another has sailed across the horizon.
Police, Immigration officials and Customs officers are searching the men before leading them to a bus to be transported to the island's detention centre for processing.
The latest boat, a long, low white and blue fishing boat, has 100 Afghans on board.

A third asylum seeker vessel in six hours has just appeared on the horizon off Christmas Island.

Worrals in the wilds 29th Jun 2012 05:49


...has 100 Afghans on board.
How do they know they're Afghans? :hmm:
Claiming to be Afghan and being Afghan are sometimes two different things :suspect:, not that all the weeping and wailing in parliament last night seemed to address that fact.

Clare Prop 29th Jun 2012 06:22

I hate crocodile tears. SHY sobbing about "Hussein" when there are hundreds of thousands of Australians who desperately need help. The sick, the elderly, the mentally ill, the homeless... and there will be more and more of these people as jobs are lost thanks to this government. She can't act well enough to pretend she gives a toss about anything other than upholding her twsited ideology.

What action would be taken against an Australian parent who deliberately pushed a child out to sea in an unseaworthy vessel?

Also, if there are 31 Labor senators why were there only 29 votes in favour? Pairs, absentees or did a couple of people cross the floor?

Perhaps one good thing will come out of all this, that Australians might just think a bit more carefully before filling in the box on election day.Nothing much has changed since this:


Andu 29th Jun 2012 06:48

Linda Montram, (ABC, 702AM) breathlessly interviewed Julian Burnside this morning, and told her audience they the switchboard was "flooded" with calls and SMSs supporting Mr Burnside's wonderful idea of setting up a processing centre in Indonesia, where prospective asylum seekers could present themselves to be vetted for acceptance into Australia.

How likely would someone in a similar situation to those currently availing themselves of the "boat option" be to present him/herself for processing in Indonesia? If their passports are so dodgy - or have stamps in them disproving their 'persecuted refugee' status - that they must be ditched overboard before they can be scrutinised by an Australian immigration officer on Christmas Island, how many would avail themselves of Mr Burnside's "humane" processing centre on Java?

The way things are going, we might as well all buy ourselves a prayer mat and start banging our heads on the floor five times a day, because that's the future of this country if this current madness is allowed to continue, for madness it undoubtedly is.

The way this government is going, I'm half expecting an announcement in the not too distant future requiring all Australian homes (certainly those who have accepted the 'adopt a refugee' plan) to add a bimlat* so that visitors "will feel at home".

* A bimlat, for those not familiar with the term, is the little arrow you'll see on the ceiling of hotel rooms in Muslim countries that points to Mecca.

Buster Hyman 29th Jun 2012 08:46


I hate crocodile tears. SHY sobbing about "Hussein" when there are hundreds of thousands of Australians who desperately need help. The sick, the elderly, the mentally ill, the homeless... and there will be more and more of these people as jobs are lost thanks to this government. She can't act well enough to pretend she gives a toss about anything other than upholding her twsited ideology.
I had a "Homeless"* guy come up to me today asking for change so he had somewhere to sleep tonight. I politely declined but still got the "That's right, who gives a F**k about the Homelss" speech from him.

Clearly, there's no money, votes, or even inclination to shed a tear for the homeless here (In fairness, I doubt Abbott would Champion their cause either). But, I guess she's presuming that after that great declaration by one of her predecessors, all Aussie kids have been living out of poverty for 22 years.

*I have no way of verifying that he was homeless. The dishevelled look & "not quite with it" dialect does not constitute proof.

Captain Sand Dune 29th Jun 2012 08:52

When I see a Julian Burnside or another of his lefty hand-wringing latte sipping drongo ilk take in a family of illegal immigrants (yes, I said illegal immigrants coz that's what they are!:mad:) I will listen.
We must wake up and address why it is people are bypassing a bunch of other countries to try and get into Australia, knowingly ignoring our laws. It's because of the attraction of the benefits that this travesty of a government throws at them. Eliminate those hand outs and start sending back those who arrive with no passport, and I guarantee the numbers of illegal immigrants will drastically reduce.
I, and many other Australians, are sick and tired of the chest beating and crocodile tears over this matter. Sarah Hanson-Young's performance in parliment was truly cringe-worthy.
Gillard's latest ploy of forming a comittee to recommend a course of action only serves to further illustrate that this government is broken and needs replacement.
I urge Angus H to take a well deserved holiday and let these muppetts stew in their own juices.
Election now!!

SOPS 29th Jun 2012 15:54

Hey Andu mate!! Guess what?? At 00.10 am EST reports of another "leaky boat" in trouble.

Im willing to start a "book" with you. Each week, whover guesses nearest to the number of arrivals and leaks, wins a carton and a jar of jelly beans:p

For the week starting July 1, Im going for 5 arrivals including 3 "leaks":ok:

RJM 29th Jun 2012 23:17

Gillard's taken a hell of a chance. 6 weeks, no Parliament and every boat arrival will be discussed in the media and around the water cooler, not in Parliament. From what's been said, she didn't use every opportunity to try to get agreement on some change in strategy at least. Now she'll be a lightning rod for criticism every time another boat turns up. Gillard seems to stumble at every hurdle.

Wiley 29th Jun 2012 23:41

Isn't there an old (possibly THE oldest) saying in politics that "you don't hold a Royal Commission unless you already know the answer"?

With that in mind, what's the feeling here regarding Angus Houston's committee and the recommendations it will make to this government? Will Angus put his name to anything even remotely controversial? (For let's face facts: it's going to take the implementation of measures that will be more than a little controversial to undo, let alone fix the current mess that Rudd and Gillard introduced for no other reason than to make themselves look good to an international audience that, as far as I can see, didn't - and doesn't - care one whit either way.)

I know Angus - (or perhaps, to be more accurate, I should say I knew him well many years ago when we were boggies). There's no doubt he's a very able man, but he's always been part politician - you don't make it to the very top in the ADF if you're not. I don't think I'm the only one who thought that he bypassed one or two more able (and more senior) men to achieve the CAF position because he was a better politician than they were. And before anyone gets offended by that comment, perhaps I should add that maybe the job demanded someone who was part politician.

Which brings me back to my question: with my first paragraph in mind, is there anyone out there who thinks Angus will deliver a recommendation or recommendations that will in any way clash with Julia Gillard's current (for want of a better word) "policies"?

If he does, I don't think I'm alone in believing his committee's recommendations will be roundly ignored, so I fear that in accepting this task, he's putting himself firmly between the proverbial rock and a hard place and in a classic no win situation, for anything that works is going to cause some (of the "SHY" variety, for example), to be outraged.

I wish you well in this latest endeavour, Goose, and hope you can come up with an answer that will work.

Andu 29th Jun 2012 23:58

Another boat...


Four vessels arrive in 48 hours as the political impasse on asylum seeker crisis continues


AS the political impasse on the asylum seeker crisis continued yesterday, so did the refugee parade - with a fourth boat in just 48 hours picked up in Australian waters.

The latest boat, carrying 41 people, was intercepted north east of Ashmore Islands last night, bringing to 1641 the number of asylum seekers to arrive this month alone.
It will be very interesting to see what the total number of new arrivals will be between now and six weeks later, when parliament resumes. At the current rate of arrivals, they might need that MCG we were assured we'd never fill to house them all.

Here's one opinion. From the Tim Blair blo_g:

The Lowy Institute’s Dr Khalid Koser reviews this week’s asylum seeker debacle and concludes:


Smugglers in Tehran, Kabul, and Colombo will be calling their middlemen in Indonesia and giving them the go-ahead. The message will be that this is the time to swamp the system; the Government is in paralysis and Australia’s borders are effectively open.


To keep track of any increases, note that 4662 asylum seekers arrived during the year until June 27. At that rate – 26 per day – we can expect another 1196 by the time Parliament resumes in August, or a total of 5858.

allan907 30th Jun 2012 01:17


is there anyone out there who thinks Angus will deliver a recommendation or recommendations that will in any way clash with Julia Gillard's current (for want of a better word) "policies"?
Given Flying Binghi's post (below) I would think that the chances of that would be extremely remote.


Kicking off what she called “the festival of Angus” with a farewell dinner at the Australian War Memorial, Ms Gillard declared: “.. Liz, I wanted to say to you tonight some words you might find quite hard to hear. And that is every woman I know is a little bit in love with your husband.

“I know that might be difficult news, but I’ve tested this proposition with the Governor-General, Quentin Bryce, who’s a little bit in love with your husband; I’m a little bit in love with your husband and Kate Harrison, who works in my office and was John Faulkner’s former chief of staff, is in love with your husband in almost an unseemly way!


“So every woman is a little bit in love with Angus. And we’re a little bit in love with Angus because of his qualities, and they just shine through.”
....unless Angus Houston has actually got some balls and reports what is good for the country as opposed to short term political favour.

The man isn't stupid and he must know that Gillard's time is very limited and that by siding with her in this matter would not only do the country harm it may also do him personal harm.

It's possible that, being air-minded the big bloke actually visits this site and, if he does, at least takes note of the comments and feelings.

Andu 30th Jun 2012 02:44

If Julia is sticking true to form, (the Timor 'solution' etc.) it's quite possible she hasn't asked Angus Houston if he'll take on the job yet. Personally, I think it's a poisoned chalice from whatever angle to look at it. There'll be no easy answer to this problem, (not even Tony Abbott's solution). If there was, (or, perhaps more accurately, if someone in the current government wanted to find a solution), someone would have acted on it long ago.

The only answer that may work will involve a huge amount of political willpower, and standing firm against a torrent of criticism from the MSM, the Watermelons and the Latte Left, something this government has displayed so far in just one direction, their "I promise that under a government I lead there will not be a" carbon tax.

When you consider how much the capabilities of the ADF were reduced* under Houston's watch, (*'gutted' was the first word that came to mind), if he was as good a leader as some here say he was, Julia Gillard, rather than be "a little bit in love with him", should have hated to see him come in her door, because if he was the good leader he was said to be, he should have been in her face daily complaining and complaining non stop about her (and her predecessors') policies that were gutting 'his' ADF.

criticalmass 30th Jun 2012 07:29

What would be the effect if the government were to remove all the naval patrol vessels, the surveillance aircraft and the other surface and air assets from the northwest and leave the area devoid of rescuers, welcoming committees etc?

My guess is after several boats of illegals simply vanished, or fetched up as wrecks on the Cocos or Christmas Island with great loss of life (and no entry to Australia, merely prompt repatriation to their port of departure as befitting shipwrecked mariners for any survivors), the flood would slow to a trickle. It might even stop altogether.

Australia is acting like a victim and going out of its way to find and "rescue" these people. If none of the rescuers were there in the first place, the problem might solve itself - and the relatives of the deceased might decide to wreak vengeance on the people-smugglers and their agents, middle-men etc.

Looking at the current situation it is hard not to come to conclude Federal Labor is receiving a financial kickback from the people-smugglers. I wonder if their accounts would withstand a forensic audit?

Flying Binghi 30th Jun 2012 07:59

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Heh, poor ol Angus is gettin 'romanced' there.

Beware of sweet talkin red headed women with buttons for eyes...






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Andu 30th Jun 2012 08:11

Had to laugh yesterday listening to the ABC's "Thank God It's Friday"... Oz comedian telling a story about entertaining Yank troops in Afghanistan and having to introduce a very good looking Australian female who followed his act. He told the Yanks that they should come on down to Australia "because all Australian women as as good looking as XXX," (whatever the name of the Aussie girl coming onstage).

A big Yank at the back of the audience yelled out "Oh no they're not. I've met your Prime Minister."

Even on the ABC, that got a politically incorrect laugh.

Lex Talionis 30th Jun 2012 10:36

Thought this might get a laugh from some here.


THE GREEK BAILOUT

It is a slow day in a little Greek Village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit.

On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.

The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna. The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him 'services' on credit. The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note.

The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich German traveller will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that is how the bailout package works.

RJM 30th Jun 2012 11:51

Isn't there a flaw in that - an initial theft of the money? Doesn't the supplier of the bailout money receive some interest or value for providing it?

criticalmass 30th Jun 2012 20:15

Getting back to the issue of what Angus Houston might put in his report, it really doesn't matter if he writes the truth or what the government wants him to write. A government lacking any sense of morality will simply re-write the conclusion before the report is released anyway - or not release it under various blanket security classifications which governments keep up their sleeves precisely for such events.

Under the present Labor federal shambles, any enquiry is already doomed to be a waste of time, taxpayers money, and intellectual effort.

RJM 30th Jun 2012 22:12

Hear, hear.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Jul 2012 00:53


Which brings me back to my question: with my first paragraph in mind, is there anyone out there who thinks Angus will deliver a recommendation or recommendations that will in any way clash with Julia Gillard's current (for want of a better word) "policies"?
Nope. On the rare chance it does, I think criticalmass is on the money.

We won't hear anything they don't want us to hear, because Gillard and friends are incapable of admitting that they cocked the whole thing up. Meanwhile there'll be more arrivals, more capsizing boats, more risk to our own Navy and Customs personnel and more deaths at sea.

Hope the pollies all enjoy their six week holiday. :mad:

Clare Prop 1st Jul 2012 00:59

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Day one, here we go.

90 million taxpayers bucks to save 3000 jobs.

"Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry economics director Greg Evans said the carbon tax had already disrupted the investment plans of many companies, "particularly energy-reliant processors and manufacturers ... We are going to continue to see more compensation arrangements put in place as the carbon tax impact is realised and it becomes clearer which jobs are at greater risk.

"We now have a ridiculous situation where the government is compensating businesses for the deliberate handicapping of their competitiveness," he added.

Captain Sand Dune 1st Jul 2012 01:35

Earlier on there was a debate about the impact of the Carbon tax. In true ABC style it featured one person speaking on behalf of NSW mining, and two from the Conservation Council. And guess who got the last word?

Julia is oft quoted as saying that there would be no Carbon tax under a government she leads. Well she was right wasn’t she – she doesn’t lead the government.

Captain Sand Dune 1st Jul 2012 01:41

Just watching that muppet Swan outside a shopping centre in Brisbane holding up various food items saying that it's all good coz the prices have not increased overnight.
Let's see what he has to say on the subject in six months time.
Going for a walk because if I stay I may throw my telly out the window.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Jul 2012 02:38


Just watching that muppet Swan outside a shopping centre in Brisbane holding up various food items saying that it's all good coz the prices have not increased overnight.
Well, they wouldn't, would they. :hmm:
It's Sunday and there aren't many deliveries, so that would be all the stuff that was already in the store.

Swanny should save the gloating until the transport and logistics companies start copping increased costs, passing them on to Wesfarmers/Woolies who'll pass them on to us.
He knows that as well as we do.

What do pollies earn again? What would he know about grocery price pressure anyway...:rolleyes:

eagle 86 1st Jul 2012 02:50

Popped into my favourite coffee shop this morning for a cuppa with the wife - lo and behold the price of a cup has gone up .50c. Now one of our few extravagances is a cup of coffee for each of us most days of the week. Pleasant to enjoy and discuss the day's events. By my mathematics .50c x 2 x 7 = $7.00 ie $2.00 short of the $9.00 the lobster promised my cost of living would go up per week as a result of the co2 tax. Labor has hooked most of the apathetic voters of Oz and is now reeling them in. You poor sods!!
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eagle 86 1st Jul 2012 03:33

Whoops, I could be wrong - it has just started to sleet in my part of the world!! Heil to HRH the Lobster, Queen of Oz!!
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