PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Jet Blast (https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast-16/)
-   -   War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original (https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/477678-war-australia-any-oz-politics-original.html)

Buster Hyman 10th Jun 2012 03:08

Waste of time Hellsbrink. Lex doesn't answer questions from non believers.

A couple of pages ago, I actually posted the breakdown of some of those figures. Even then, they don't really paint a reliable picture to base any argument on. However, he's welcome to clutch at any straw he can grab at the moment.

What I find sad, is the fact that whilst certain groups can bemoan how bad Abbott will be (based on dubious opinions), just cannot argue a point in favour of the current circus in Canberra...and regularly dismiss the facts of how this country is being driven into the dust right here, right now!

Nothing to see, move along...

Worrals in the wilds 10th Jun 2012 03:21

I'm curious, that's all, as it's the sort of thing that can give a better picture of the state of the economy than the usual dribble that comes out of any government.
At the moment it depends a bit on what you read. Various figures have been bandied around.

The 2011 Census results are about to be released and there should be more solid information available then. Certainly, over the past decade the definition of 'employed' has been tweaked by successive federal governments from both sides of politics. :hmm:

The ABS (bureau of statistics) definition of employed is:
worked for one hour or more for pay, profit, commission or payment in kind in a job or business, or on a farm (comprising employees, employers and own account workers);
which is probably broader than what the average person would consider employed. However, the ABS has also reported that the number of new full time jobs increased by about 90,000 in the last year. I don't know whether that is greater, lower or about the same as the normal rate. Certainly it's better than the number decreasing, though the unemployment rate went up in the same period. :( Stats are difficult to interpret at the best of times, without both parties muddying the water further with their own spin.

Rise in full-time jobs helps to push up dollar
6105.0 - Australian Labour Market Statistics, Jan 2009

Andu 10th Jun 2012 08:05

How many of those new full time jobs are public sector or 'green' jobs?

Worrals in the wilds 10th Jun 2012 09:08

And mining jobs. And fixed term contract jobs in construction for projects that were planned before the GFC. Once a lot of these projects are completed it will be interesting to see how many more are in the pipeline. :uhoh:

Take the Gold Coast as an example (an extreme one, because it's always been very vulnerable to economic boom and bust). At the moment there's a major building being completed and a light rail being constructed, but there are no further major buildings in the pipeline or any other big infrastructure plans on the cards, because companies are finding it difficult to get funding.

Likewise, state and local governments aren't wanting to spend cash on projects that may not pay off (even if they're needed) because there's not a lot of cash in the tin. The Clem 7 investment disaster has guaranteed that very few people will buy shares in infrastructure and apparently the banks are demanding 30% presales before they fund a big scale building development, which is close to impossible in the current climate. Even in boom times, 20% was a realistic pre sales target, so good luck with 30% now.

What lies ahead is worrying people, and I don't think the worry is misplaced.

bob johns 10th Jun 2012 23:34

bob johns
Just saw the list of the Queens Birthday Honours List. Who on earth decides who gets what? Mother Russia Kirner:yuk: Gareth Evans for treason in that sewer of corruption the UN :yuk: Peter Beatie for gaoling political opponents :yuk::yuk: I know one old gentleman who knocked one back some years ago because in his opinion too many undeserving scum get awards they dont deserve. After this listing I would have to agree with him . /

Andu 11th Jun 2012 00:18

Who the *** is Rolf Harris?

Why is Australia giving an award to some 'entertainer' (to use the term very loosely) who has lived and makes his living wholly in the UK for the last forty or more years?

Andu 11th Jun 2012 00:37

Meanwhile, three boats within 24 hours, (a new record), the last from Sri Lanka, where the only people being persecuted go by the name of Tamil Tigers, the very same people who invented the suicide vest.

allan907 11th Jun 2012 00:57

An oldie but a goody:

A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the footpath in front of her home.
Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures; in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.

Suddenly a line of big white cars pulled up beside her.
Out of the lead car stepped a red-headed, grinning lady.

"Hi there little girl, I'm Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
What do you have in the basket?" she asked.

"Kittens," little Suzy said.

"How old are they?" asked Gillard.

Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet."

"And what kind of kittens are they?"

"Labor supporters," answered Suzy with a smile.

Gillard was delighted. As soon as she returned to her car, she called her PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.

Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two of them agreed that the Prime Minister should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.

So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket of "FREE KITTENS," when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from ABC, SBS, Sky News, Channel 7, Channel 9 and Channel 10.

Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Gillard got out of her limo and walked over to little Suzy.

"Hello, again," she said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away."

"Yes ma'am," Suzy said. "They're Liberal/National supporters."

Taken by surprise, the Prime Minister stammered, "But...but...yesterday, you told me they were LABOR SUPPORTERS."

Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know.

But today, they have their eyes open."

eagle 86 11th Jun 2012 02:35

Rather see Rolf get a gong than the labor cronies!!

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2012 07:30

I have never seen as many empty shops in places I go, like last night in our largest regional shopping centre on the Gold Coast, Robina Town Centre;
But on a positive note, after the recent shooting and stabbing incidents it now has the most well-mannered carpark in Queensland. :E:}

Seriously, after being out to few different centres this weekend helping the economy (my latest euphemism for buying lots of stuff at the sales:suspect:) there seemed to be plenty of people out spending. I don't know if the 'good news' from the Treasurer has had anything to do with it, whether the prices are right (lots of 40% off deals around) or there's another factor, but it seemed much busier than the Boxing Day sales. Hopefully the small retail businesses have had a bit of a boost.

Andu 11th Jun 2012 09:18

http://blo_gs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ts_in_12_days/ (Remove the underscore in the 'b' word to make the link work.)

I wonder if Senator Sarah Twodads could be asked to tell us what number of uninvited immigrants is her personal "oops, too many"? Whilst it will certainly be a figure way beyond what many here would cite, surely to God she has some number in mind?

I wonder what it is? 100,000? 500,000? 1,000,000? 10,000,000?

The Arabs have a phrase to cover Sarah's attitude: "Umm d'lilah" - roughly translated as "if Allah wills it".

Perhaps by the time we reach Sarah Twodads' figure for too many uninvited new citizens, we'll all be using that phrase in everyday conversation - maybe it will even be required by the Australistan government of the day that we do!

allan907 11th Jun 2012 09:46

In which case Andu we'll need to become acquainted with the culture. Here's a starter. WITW ought to take particular note.

I16 11th Jun 2012 09:49

Twodads Day
But in the very best tradition we will have another holiday to mark the occasion :E

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2012 09:57

What do you expect from Hanson Young? A watermelon of the highest order. I have more respect for people who join the Socialist Alliance and espouse their views openly; also, they run the odd good article on their website. :\

Of course members of the SA don't get voted into parliament with all its accompanying privileges, because their cause is unpopular. For the most part they labor away in their spare time around their usual employment. If you want success as an MP (which is debatably 'employment' :yuk:), you have to find another platform to run with, and Green is much more palatable to the electorate. SHY has little to say about Green issues; a Google search reveals lots about reffs, childcare and other socialist issues and bugger all about the environment. Now whether you agree with it or not it's a point of view, but there's nothing Green about it. Unlike Bob Brown, it's apparent that she's no environmentalist.

What do you think about koalas' habitat destruction, HY? What about the fruitbats and the community's misguided prejudices about them? How about coal seam gas? Do you have anything Green to say, or are you just a closet socialist without the ovaries to actually declare yourself one, because Green is more marketable? :mad:

Another closet socialist riding on turtle coat tails. :bored:

WITW ought to take particular note.
Well, it's more honourable than the Irish code :}. Me, I fight back. Wouldn't make a 'good' Muslim wife. :mad:
Thank Christ (and the Celtic deities) for that.
Queen Boudicca.

Not all Muslims are wife beaters any more than all Irishmen were. IMO it's a practice that should be discouraged. However, let's not forget that the 'rule of thumb' was an English one. Unfortunately all cultures have arseholes who throw their weight around because they can; it behoves all cultures to deal with these sorts of bullies (and their apologists :yuk:) accordingly. Domestic violence is still rife in our 'progressive' culture; we just don't like to talk about it. :( Just because we don't have idiots jumping on TV talking it up doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

There are Australian religious people who both covered up and carried out ritual abuse of minors in their care; until very recently it was ignored and supressed. That doesn't make us all abusers, it doesn't even make all priests abusers, any more than one dead:mad: on the telly makes all Muslims wife beaters.

Say no to violent sociopaths and their apologists :yuk:, whatever your God looks like. :ok: Thence lies civilization.

hellsbrink 11th Jun 2012 15:31

What about the fruitbats and the community's misguided prejudices about them?
Now now, there's no need to talk about politicians like that...


Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2012 20:50

Now now, there's no need to talk about politicians like that...
I wouldn't insult fruitbats by calling pollies that name. :}

Any community prejudice wrt politicians is entirely justified.

david1300 11th Jun 2012 21:29

@Hellsbrink :ok::D:ok::D

Andu 11th Jun 2012 22:20

Worrals, when did true blue Queenslanders start calling them "fruit bats"? North of the Tweed, they've always been flying foxes. Only poofy Mexicans and blue jacketed Cockroaches call 'em "fruit bats".

Haven't heard yet how Jools handled last night's QandA. Was it the usual stacked audience and the usual love fest with only carefully vetted questions allowed?

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2012 22:27

Really? :confused: They've always been fruit bats (or flying foxes, we use the terms interchangeably) to my mob, generally preceded by a swear word and followed by a long tirade about the effect of their guano on car paint. We must be poofy. :\

I can't see Q&A asking a Labor PM any tough, searching questions (or chucking any shoes this time :E) but in fairness, I didn't watch it. IMO about the only thing on the ABC that's worth watching is Gardening Australia.

eagle 86 12th Jun 2012 00:06

Rest assured by the end of this century Australia will be a muslim country - simply a matter of geography. Many of the problems of today will disappear - climate change, carbon tax, liberal/labor politicians, indigenous issues, illegal immigrants etc. Prepare your children now to prepare your great grandchildren. The best for the Oz we know is behind us.

Andu 12th Jun 2012 07:55

If that comes to pass, eagle 86, you can rest assured that the main stream media of the day will blame Tony Abbott. :)

I taped Q&A and watched it today while I had lunch. What is it will Jools and her T's a D's? Is it some misguided effort to appear to be "true" working class? She seems to stress this mispronunciation ("twenDy fourDeen") as if it's something to be proud of, to the point where I (and I suspect many others) am distracted from her "message".

Tony Jones should either retire or take a job with the ALP - he's certainly not a disinterested arbitrator; more a Labor Party hack disguised as a television journalist.

And the tweets... so obviously filtered by some ABC staffer who's also a member of GetUp that it's utterly blatant in its bias, with not even an attempt at a neutral stance.

SOPS 12th Jun 2012 08:14

Just listening to an interview on the radio.....boat people have arrived on Cocos Island, and the department of immigration insist they are put up in the pub..which has to be closed to the locals while they are residence!!!!!

This thing gets more crazy every single day.

RJM 12th Jun 2012 09:50

And now Lady Ga Ga is staying at the same hotel as the one in which Gillard is trying to hold a rah rah session. :p

Worrals in the wilds 12th Jun 2012 10:01

And attracting a lot more local interest. :zzz:
Coming to Queensland was touted as about engaging with the locals, pity the locals were a bit busy...The idea of coming to Queensland wasn't a bad one, but you're supposed to meet with some Queenslanders, not just hole up at the Stanford and go to a talkfest with a bunch of Canbranians and Sydney spivs. How about a sausage sizzle or two? A handshake op with the dwindling true believers? :hmm: They may as well have stayed in Canberra and saved on the airfares.

Ms Gillard chose Brisbane to host the forum after being criticised for not spending enough time in Queensland following state Labor's electoral annihilation.
A token visit is worse than no visit at all, because in my experience Queenslanders detest tokenism more than most political vices. Don't patronise us by pretending you're coming to Queensland for any other reason. We'd really rather you stayed away and let the local party pick up the pieces. Or turned up, did some legitimate campaigning and actually listened to the bogan faithful, but that's obviously not on the agenda, cos we too stoopid. :\

While OHMS we used to share a laugh with the Darwin staff about how Canberra honchos only ever fly north in winter; the annual flunky migration. :} They'd flock in, tell us how Sydney did it better and slither back into business class once the weather Down South improved again.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard and six ministers in Brisbane for forum on Australia's place in global economy | The Courier-Mail
I would have booked a trip to Rockhampton too. Palaszczuk and her Magnificent Seven aren't doing too badly, and they have enough to worry about without Gillard's stench of death doing them further damage. Me, I would have taken the team to Bedourie just in case Gillard wanted to follow. :E

Andu 12th Jun 2012 13:00

How about a sausage sizzle or two? A handshake op with the dwindling true believers?
I think why Mr McT and his team didn't do as you suggest could be explained by fears of a repeat of the confrontation with the lady who utterly destroyed Julia's "I'll visit shopping centres to explain my policies until my shoe leather wears out" campaign. (You know, the one that never happened - unless her shoe leather was on similar quality to the dress boots supplied to the Army from China.)

I really think they'd have trouble filling any venue bigger than the QandA studio with true believers in Queensland, so any public meeting would be fraught with danger - someone might actually ask a question that hadn't been carefully vetted, and even worse, without Tony Jones to move the cameras on to the next safe question, poor Julia might actually be asked to answer the question put to her - now wouldn't that be a *** novelty!

allan907 12th Jun 2012 14:22

Be fair. At least Gillard does the right thing when visiting Queensland. She announces it in advance so that the locals have a sporting chance of lobbing the odd rotten tomato in her direction.

When she (very occasionally) comes over to the west there are no announcements. We may possibly get a news item on the day. And then she's gone before anyone has realised that she's here.

There's a word for it. Funk

funk noun
cowering fear; state of great fright or terror.

Andu 12th Jun 2012 22:57

I see I wasn't the only one aggravated by the Prime Ministers's mangling of the language on Q&A.


Oim reely nod amuzd by your addemt ad yuma Dim Blare.
Yor leeda


G, eye think yarr ab so lude lee spod on.


Is it an impediment or an affectation?
The latter, I believe.
Bob Carr and the actor Stephen Ramsey… were discussing Julia Gillard’s accent and Ramsey, who went to the same high school, said: “I never heard a voice like hers in my six years there. We all sounded like Don Dunstan.”

Carr said: “Gillard’s accent , and I have some knowledge of voice-training, is acquired. It is learned. It is trained. It is the required house accent of Slater & Gordon, solicitors. They all talk like that."


It is not a speech impediment or an accent it is just laziness, poor diction and lack of education. After fifteen minutes and multiple uses of the words sociedy, opportunidy, gedding, possibilidy, generading, polluders, daughder, fixaded, universidy, pardies, pardy I switched her off. Oh and wanas!


We’ve got an opportunid-ee across our socied-ee to go to universid-ee in the year twend-ee fourteen. It’s a matter of both political pard-ees simpl-ee gedding the training right, rather than becoming fixaded on any one figure and avoiding fear-mongering in the communid-ee.


After 30 minutes of watching Q & A, I nearly needed resuscidading.

Maybe I’ll join a therapeudic class in knidding.


So it’s not just me? I’ve been driven to distracDion for years now by La Gillard’s seeming inabiliDy to pronounce the letter (leDDer?) ‘t’ if it occurs in mid-word.

Friends who’ve grown up in Adelaide assure me that that “unique” accent is affected, and definitely not some obscure South Australian dialect. In fact one, who knows someone who went to school with the PM tells me his friend assures him that she did NOT speak that way at high school.

It would seem that she developed it at universiDy to establish some street cred within the Socialist Alliance and now she feels she might appear false (!) and not remaining true to her (wholly self created) “working class roots” if she was to drop it.

Here’s a hint Jools: you’ve left it a bit late to be even remotely worried abut appearing to be false, and the only people who’ll be offended if you drop that dreadful accent are so rusted on Labor that they’ll vote for you whatever you do. If you drop it and go back to the accent you grew up with, I believe your polls will leap by five or ten points - and perhaps more importantly, then of thousands of mute buttons in tens of thousands of living rooms will not be reached for every time your nasal drone invades our homes.


Thank you Tim, but I must , once again point out that. South Australians do NOT talk like that. I fear that our dishonest PM has contrived he manner of speech to appeal to the employed and unemployed working class females in certain suburbs of Melbourne. People who live in Portsea or St Kilda could pinpoint the areas to within one hundred metres. It’s a cultural/survival thing.

Worrals in the wilds 12th Jun 2012 23:27

South Aussies usually sound really posh, don't they? All the ones I've met did (and no, they weren't all wealthy).
I think Bob's probably on the money wrt Slater and Gordon, but FWIW she's not the only person who does it by a long shot. It does seem to be predominantly a girl thing, though. Dunno why. :confused:

However, having picked the Brisbane flight at Perth airport without reading the signs just by the sound of the Queenslanders at the boarding gate, it's probably all relative. :\

CoodaShooda 13th Jun 2012 01:44

However, having picked the Brisbane flight at Perth airport without reading the signs just by the sound of the Queenslanders at the boarding gate, it's probably all relative
I thought it was Tasmania that was all relative. :confused:

Andu 13th Jun 2012 08:21

Two more boats today. That's 13 boats in 13 days.

Boat people arrivals a record
Andrew Tillett Canberra, The West Australian
Updated June 11, 2012, 3:18 am

A surge in asylum seekers in recent weeks has seen the Gillard Government again break an unwanted record: the most number of boat people to reach Australia in a 12-month period.

With the Government powerless to beat the people smugglers, the arrival of nine boats in the first 10 days of June (* now 13 boats in 13 days) has taken the number of asylum seekers to have reached Australia in the 2011-12 financial year to 6815, with three weeks to go.

The previous record for a 12-month period was 6555, set in 2010.

The record comes as authorities rescued the latest boatload of asylum seekers after their vessel hit a reef at the Cocos Islands on Saturday.

The boat carrying 32 passengers, believed to be Sri Lankans, ran aground on North Keeling Island.

They were spotted after they lit a fire on the beach. The group was rescued and is staying at the Cocos Club before being taken to Christmas Island.

Two boats, carrying 100 and 24 passengers, were stopped on Saturday near Christmas Island and Ashmore Reef.

The Immigration Department "budget" of 450 arrivals a month has already been exceeded, with 554 arrivals so far this month. (Four more boats since this went to print.)

Last month saw the biggest number of asylum seekers arrive in one month since August 2001, the date of the Tampa stand-off that prompted Mr Howard to introduce offshore processing in Nauru. In May, 1176 asylum seekers arrived in 14 boats.

Solid Rust Twotter 13th Jun 2012 08:56

She must be so proud...

Buster Hyman 13th Jun 2012 08:57

A new record!

Were they given Lei's & free drinks at TGIF? Handed out personally by Bowen?

SOPS 13th Jun 2012 09:17

Another boat, another policy failure....who said that again?

Worrals in the wilds 13th Jun 2012 09:32

No-one at the 'Queensland' conference, that's for sure. :E It's got mutual ego massage written all over it. I can only assume that, because there aren't many Queenslanders attending, certainly not the local media who apparently got turfed. We'll have to read about it in the propaganda.
Love to know what Bligh's speech entails; "How I F:mad:ed Up" perchance? :E
Rudd snubbed by Qld ALP

FIFO of the highest order. Location's unattractive, locals are hostile, here's a solution; fly in the labo(u)r, pay 'em heaps for the inconvenience and the problem will be solved. :\
P.S. Go Queensland. :ok:
P.P.S. Crudbuckets...:eek:

bob johns 14th Jun 2012 06:54

bob johns
And now that collection are about to destroy the fishing industry with their lunacy. We are about to become a net importer of food so now we have to buy more fish from foreigners. Probably fish caught in our waters illegaly as I cant immagine the Japs Koreans Taiwanese or anyone else ,apart from our own honest fishermen who will obey this crackpot legislation.

allan907 14th Jun 2012 07:50

Don't know enough about the fishing industry to decide whether it's a good or a bad thing. I do know that listening to their head honcho on the radio this morning brought to mind the phrase "He doth protest too much". Given the rapaciousness that the world's fishermen seem to display it probably won't hurt to protect some areas from commercial fishing.

That said......Tony Abbott hit the nail right on the head when he commented that, given all the other cock-ups mismanaged by Jooliar's government, the scheme will probably be totally mishandled. He's readily able to tap into the national consciousness that Jooliar and her government simply cannot be trusted or relied on.

And compounding what is likely to be a very bad day for her it has emerged that her office (not the ALP) have been instructing Labor MPs how to dig out the dirt on the Opposition. Tut, tut.....publicly funded spying into private lives. I reckon that the Stasi, sorry, Jooliar's government, are not going to hear the last of that one. Bligh tried it and look where it got her :}

parabellum 14th Jun 2012 07:55

Don't know if Gillard has any common decency but if she does then let us hope she sets the implementation date for these crack pot Green schemes to sometime after the next election, by which time they can be cancelled and the Greens will have resumed their rightful role as an irrelevance.

Andu 14th Jun 2012 08:18

Nah, parabellum, you miss the whole point of the Gillard Master Plan - lock in as many of these crackpot schemes as possible (and rack up the debt as high as possible) to leave Tony Abbott with such an incredible mess, he'll be hard put implementing any measures that might even begin to fix that mess or reduce the debt without making some really unpopular decisions that will make him very unpopular with an electorate being daily conditioned to expect a handout from 'the gummit' at every turn.

Clare Prop 14th Jun 2012 08:21

Sea Shepherd are ging to be flat out stopping people killing all those fishies in the marine parks all by themselves.

I'm supposing all Gummint resources are tied up in the ferry service to Xmas Island and not available to stop other people fishing there and selling us the catch?

parabellum 14th Jun 2012 08:40

Ah sh1t Andu, I missed that and I should not have, as it is standard Labour policy world wide, see UK at the moment and so on. Note to self: 'Must buck up'!;)

All times are GMT. The time now is 15:34.

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.