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Clare Prop 6th Jun 2012 07:36

I remember Her Maj looking quite amused when she met JG when she came for CHOGM. JG refused to curtsey; was it that with her clothing/anatomy it was impossible, or was it just appalling bad manners? HM was able to contain her laughter and be her usual gracious self.

IN any case IMO it made JG look ignorant and belligerent rather than standing up for some percieved higher principle of her own that exempted her from protocol (rather than representing the Australian people).

Ghastly, excruciating performance and nothing has improved since then.

Maybe she only knows the words to "Keep the red flag flying" and "Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau"

Captain Sand Dune 6th Jun 2012 08:36


though several are ALP members
Wow, you know someone that admits to that?!:}:}

Worrals in the wilds 6th Jun 2012 08:41

Several.
Scary but true. :}

bob johns 6th Jun 2012 11:00

bob johns
 
Turnbull ? :yuk:Best ally Gillards got :yuk:I am sick of the PC gutless heaps of SHIT ( Mr Mod --not a mistake ) that infest our leadership in this wonderful country. Abbot is a married Christian right winger and an avowed Monachist and giving it a good serve. It is what oppositions are for . I want an attack dog for the leader of my country ,not some limp wristed caffe latte megabucks poofter that has got too much money and only needs power !someone who will put Australia and Aussies first ,and the look after the rest later and if THEY dont like it (as my dear old Dad would say ) tell em phukem !

david1300 6th Jun 2012 11:22

Friday Jokes - did someone mention Friday Jokes?
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/4710...ml#post7229207

Andu 6th Jun 2012 11:34

Interesting twist tonight when Channel 7 gloatingly (the only word that fits) doing a stitch up on rival Channel 9 with an interview with the ex-prostitute who says that she withdrew her sworn statement regarding Craig Thomson before Channel 9 went to air with it.

Too many 'magic phrases' appeared in the interview for there not to have been lawyers involved instructing the lady in what she had to say to save herself from criminal charges.

If Thomson really is innocent and has been set up over the use of prostitutes (and spending $500,000 of union money?) as he alleges, it's been an incredibly sophisticated and well managed stitch up.

As I've said before, if it's so, the Labor Party needs to employ the man who's overseen it to run a few of their official government programmes - because he's exhibited skills that have sorely lacking in the implementation of every programme they've attempted (the only word that fits) to introduce since 2007.

Clare Prop 6th Jun 2012 14:21

Once they have paid the royalites, to the states, they do own the minerals.

She's quite correct in that SHE doesn't own them.

Australians with superannuation most likely already have a share. If they want more, they can buy more shares, or buy a shovel and start digging.

"Gutsy solo effort from the girl" I think your heroine might find that a little patronising :uhoh:

Lex Talionis 6th Jun 2012 21:50

Lex
I'm not a fan of Abbott's but have found that labor's relentless negativity towards him"
Cooda,Now funny that you mention 'negativity' because that is the hallmark of Tony Abbott and is why he is widely known as Dr NO.In fact it seems as though Tony or Dr No has a Phd in the art form which he personifies.

"Once they have paid the royalites, to the states, they do own the minerals.

She's quite correct in that SHE doesn't own them"
No Clare,We or should I say All Australians own the minerals not the state or the federal government.As such we deserve our share of the wealth and I applaud the concept of that sharing.

This in today and it shows just how good we are doing in Australia.

Positive message, but is anyone still listening?

"Also important for Labor, yesterday's dramatically good numbers have discombobulated the opposition. Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey was left open-mouthed. He had to welcome the ''extraordinary figure of the March quarter''. But how to score a political point? The best he could come up with was: ''Imagine how well our country could do if we had a good government.''
That line might have cut it if said just once; repeated several times, it sounded silly, even a little desperate. It emphasised that these unanticipated numbers had undercut the opposition's negativity about the economy. ''Here in Australia, economic conditions are soft,'' Tony Abbott said on Tuesday, to find himself badly wrong on Wednesday.
Even before yesterday, the opposition knew its economic gloom line was overcooked"

Now can someone explain how they support someone like Tony Abbott and his lack of credentials?

CoodaShooda 6th Jun 2012 23:14


Now can someone explain how they support someone like Tony Abbott and his lack of credentials?
Julia Gillard, Wayne Swan, Penny Wong, Peter Garrett, Kevin Rudd, Craig Thompson, Peter Slipper, abuse of Parliament, refusal to give straight answers to direct questions, failed policies, blatant lies.......and I'm not even an Abbott "supporter":E

Now can someone please explain what labor has done to warrant support?

Lex Talionis 7th Jun 2012 00:01

"refusal to give straight answers to direct questions"
I know exactly what you are saying Cooda because I have asked several questions and have the same result!

"Now can someone please explain what labor has done to warrant support?"

Could your tell me how bad Australia is compared to the rest of the world because Joe Hockey cannot !!!!

" Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey was left open-mouthed. He had to welcome the ''extraordinary figure of the March quarter''.

To be honest I think this is a lot like the Holden/Ford rivalry.

It doesn't matter how good a car either company comes out with as there are a lot of people who will still only buy a Holden or a Ford because they have always bought that marque.

For me I look at the alternative and it is truly frightening with BA Santamaria/Tony Abbott at the helm.Of course if you are of the far right and of the same ilk you won't have a problem with him but there are a lot of people who do.

By the way someone asked about the boat people taking jobs from Australians.

In reality the real danger from illegal arrivals are those who arrive from commercial flights.These at any point number at least 10,000 and are not fleeing persecution or personal danger because of religious persecution or from anything but are definitely here in Australia illegally.

They are mainly from the UK and New Zealand as well as some from Europe but are very much illegal and not refugees but no one seems to bother about them yet they are not only taking Australian jobs but also revenue because they are working on a cash basis.As well as this it is costing the Australian tax payer a small fortune to round up and deport when they are finally caught.

If someone is a genuine refugee then we should be trying to help them but not the tens of thousands who arrived here on commercial flights and stay illegally

Buster Hyman 7th Jun 2012 00:36

The difference being that the smugglers are profiteering from risking the lives of some genuine refugees and some queue jumpers.
The one's on the Commercial flights are just plain queue jumpers...not that Gillard has any idea what to do about them either.

david1300 7th Jun 2012 01:41


Originally Posted by Lex Talionis (Post 7230792)
"refusal to give straight answers to direct questions"
I know exactly what you are saying Cooda because I have asked several questions and have the same result!

"Now can someone please explain what labor has done to warrant support?"

Could your tell me how bad Australia is compared to the rest of the world because Joe Hockey cannot !!!!...

Lex, why can't anyone explain what Labor has done to warrant support? Just like all Labor-leaning people I know and ask, this has gone just the same way - they cannot give an answer, and instead denigrate the opposition. I don't actually mind that they cannot get the message, just as Anna Bligh and Qld Labor could not get the message, because we know the end result.

But when I seriously am trying to find some reasons to enlighten me, and possibly consider broadening my views, it really is pathetic of Labor-supporters to just run this line.

Clare Prop 7th Jun 2012 01:49

I think some posters, who have a remarkably similar style, actually like to get the threads closed; sort of the pprune version of Albanese shutting down debate in the house of reps...oh wait....

Buster Hyman 7th Jun 2012 02:20

Yes, the argument is cyclic & predictable.

Their only defense is in the past (Howards fault) or in the future (what an Abbott Government would do...Ouija board assumptions). They seem unable to argue the merits of the current Government for some reason...too painful & indefensible I guess.

Andu 7th Jun 2012 04:29

Meanwhile....


Sixth asylum seeker boat in a week | The Courier-Mail


THE sixth boat in a week carrying suspected asylum seekers has been intercepted off the coast of Western Australian.
Customs vessel Botany Bay rendered assistance to the boat, west-southwest of Ashmore Islands yesterday.

The boat had 23 passengers and two crew on board.

It was initially spotted from a surveillance aircraft.

Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare said the passengers were being transferred to Christmas Island for security, health and identity checks.
No boat yesterday. Maybe “on the seventh day, they rest”?

And this, from the Sarah Henderson story on the search for Capt Imad.

We knew that Emad had gone from the Christmas Island detention centre to Brisbane and that he had also spent time in Darwin. One of his passengers told us he was scouting Darwin to see if he could bring boats directly there from Indonesia.
On a trip to Malaysia his associates told me he had boasted about his life in Australia, how the Australian government gave him everything for free. We still didn't know where that life was.

Andu 7th Jun 2012 04:39

AFP press conference currently running of Sky News announced that Capt Imad left the country on Tuesday night, and although this triggered an alert, authorities decided not to detain him, as they had no legal reason to do so.

Translation: for Capt Imad, a bit like those plucky Cockney shopkeepers in London during the Blitz, business will continue as usual.

Lex Talionis 7th Jun 2012 05:34

david1300,
My answer was in this question.
"Could your tell me how bad Australia is compared to the rest of the world because Joe Hockey cannot"
I fully understand that a lot of people here do not like Labor and as I said this is a lot like the Holden/Ford rivalry.
Joe Hockey could not but say that things were looking good for Australia.This was after the figures for March had come out not more than a day after Dr No said we were in a precarious position.Now with more than a little egg on his face Dr No cannot believe his bad luck and like Joe Hockey is struggling to find something negative to say about our economy.

What exactly about life in Australia is so bad that you would want risk it all with Tony Abbott?

I'll play the devils advocate.
What if at the time of the next Federal election after both the carbon tax and the mining tax have been in place for more than a year things are going well?

What if the sky has not fallen in?
What if the economy is doing well?

What then will the opposition do or say because if by that time we will know the result of both taxes.After the relentlessly boring statements from Dr No about the new taxes,what would he be able to say to dig himself out of the hole that he has dug for himself.

If the economy is in trouble and a multitude of business' have gone broke then the answer is obvious.Tony Abbott will walk into the Lodge with his head held high but.....

What if things are going well and all of the predictions by Dr No have proven to be baseless and false?

I have said before that I am not happy with everything that Labor has done but It worries more than that of what Tony Abbott will do.

At the moment it certainly looks like the opposition will win the next election but what will they say and how will they campaign for the election if things are looking rosy and the mining companies have not gone broke and are in fact making a handsome profit?

That is why Dr No and his supporters are more than a little worried that by the next time an election is held and all is well then all of their scaremongering will be for nought.

That is why the Liberal party and their supporters are clambering for an election now before it is too late.

CoodaShooda 7th Jun 2012 05:59

Lex

Australia is well off compared to most economies but we are starting at a very low base line. Nigeria is probably better off than Somalia but that doesn't make it paradise.

I'm watching federal pollies on tv telling me how great things are....but I'm looking at the debt they are racking up and the tax dollars they are frittering away and wondering when the day of reckoning will arrive.

No family or business can manage its affairs in this way and come out winners.

I am also looking at manufacturing, contracting and retail businesses around me and seeing how tough things are for them.

So when I hear a labor pollie, who is a demonstrated lier, tell me that things are good. I fall back on the old "believe none of what you hear and half of what you see".

I know that I'm not better off financially now than I was in 2007. Most of that is due to family circumstances - but it is not helped by a government that classifies me as a high wage earner, irrespective of the significantly higher cost of living in the NT and gives me nothing in return for my taxes other than a demand that I pay even more. Flood levy, private health insurance levy reduced, no carbon tax cost compensation etc etc.

So, regardless of the quality of the opposition, why should I give this labor mob my support?

Lex Talionis 7th Jun 2012 06:16

Cooda,

I was comparing Australia with other western industrialised nations.So with that in mind we are doing extremely well much to the chagrin of Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott.

It's been recognised that Australia with it's stimulus package did very well and if it had not the cost would have been far higher than the cost of the package itself.

"So when I hear a labor pollie, who is a demonstrated lier, tell me that things are good"

I actually do believe we have it good in Australia compared to over countries but any politician of any party will tell you that everything is good if they belong to the party in power.

We see spin every day from Labor and the Liberals so what is new?

The reality is that we do have it good in Australia so in answer to your last question the quality of the opposition is very much relevant because if they win they control the country and with the current leadership of the opposition that is a huge risk.

As I said before it has been recognised that the stimulus package worked very well and it is on record that the Liberal party said they would not have done that.We would have gone the way of other countries if the stimulus package had not been used.

It is of no use what ever to have a lot of money in the bank if everyone is unemployed.By having a surplus but with no one in a job and with businesses bankrupt kind of defeats the purpose of a surplus doesn't it?

So my question is why would I want to risk what we have by giving my support to Tony abbott?

david1300 7th Jun 2012 06:36


Originally Posted by Lex Talionis (Post 7230989)
david1300,
My answer was in this question.
"Could your tell me how bad Australia is compared to the rest of the world because Joe Hockey cannot"
I fully understand that a lot of people here do not like Labor and as I said this is a lot like the Holden/Ford rivalry.
....
What exactly about life in Australia is so bad that you would want risk it all with Tony Abbott?

I'll play the devils advocate.
What if at the time of the next Federal election after both the carbon tax and the mining tax have been in place for more than a year things are going well?

What if the sky has not fallen in?
What if the economy is doing well?

What then will the opposition do or say because if by that time we will know the result of both taxes.After the relentlessly boring statements from Dr No about the new taxes,what would he be able to say to dig himself out of the hole that he has dug for himself.

If the economy is in trouble and a multitude of business' have gone broke then the answer is obvious.Tony Abbott will walk into the Lodge with his head held high but.....

What if things are going well and all of the predictions by Dr No have proven to be baseless and false?

I have said before that I am not happy with everything that Labor has done but It worries more than that of what Tony Abbott will do.

At the moment it certainly looks like the opposition will win the next election but what will they say and how will they campaign for the election if things are looking rosy and the mining companies have not gone broke and are in fact making a handsome profit?

That is why Dr No and his supporters are more than a little worried that by the next time an election is held and all is well then all of their scaremongering will be for nought.

That is why the Liberal party and their supporters are clambering for an election now before it is too late.

Lex, thanks for the detailed reply, but I cannot anywhere in your reply find a reason to vote for Labor. Conversely, I have many reasons not to, and these are just a few:

1 - Julia Gillard is a liar. Unequivocal and simple. Before the election she stated one position, and subsequently did the opposite. Unlike other major taxation reforms that were taken to the electorate to vote on (the GST comes to mind), she should have said - "whoa, I see the public did not vote me in, let's have another election where I will stand in coalition with the Greens and we will introduce a carbon tax". We know circumstances change, but let us, the voters, vote you in on your stated policies. Don't lie to us, like Anna Bligh did in Qld re asset sales.

2 - Labor powerbrokers behind the scenes, who are not voted in, have too much say in the Labor party and Labor government. The have shown they have the ability to manipulate and bring about the dumping of an elected and serving Prime Minister ostensibly on an unpopular policy (Carbon Tax, or whatever name Rudd was dressing it up under); go to an election promising not to introduce a Carbon Tax, then introducing that very policy!

3 - Labor are not responsible Fiscal Managers. First look at their failed projects: Insulation - house fires, electrocuted workers, overclaimes for work, claims for work not even done, $millions spent auditing the process. School Halls - debacle of overcharges. Computers for schools - schools were left with the maintenance and implementation costs. $900 'stimulus' cash handouts - great for the Chinese economy as sales of imported electrical goods spiked for 2 months. Latest 'carbon tax' funds coming to people - don't even mention carbon tax in the ads, just make people more dependant on the public teat. This will cause another small consumer retail boom. Want more - I can list them if you like.

4 - Labor are not responsible Fiscal Managers - again. They were left with a huge surplus and 'funds in the bank'. they have racked up how many deficits now, and they have increased/are increasing the governments borrowing ceiling to $300BILLION.

5 - People on the street are sickened by the Unions behind Labor. They wield disproportionate power, and harbour people like Thomson and Williamson who are quite happy to spend union funds indiscriminately.

6 - Some people, not all, remember Julia Gillards role in the Bruce Wilson/AWU $1 million fraud, when she claimed she was 'young and naive'. Come on - she was a lawyer in her 30's working for a top law firm, in a sexual relationship with a client, doing his bidding. Some also remember her role in (arguably) wrecking Craig Emmersons marraige.

Of course there is far more, but will stop there with a short and recent history lesson. Queensland has just voted Labor to it's biggest election defeat despite Anna Bligh having had the opportunity to become a very public and apparently competent leader through our natural disasters in 2010. We voters are not stupid - we remembered her lies and her manipulation, and the ineptness of her government (Health Payroll debacle - sound anything like school halls, insulation scheme? - are fiscal policies that Labor just cannot manage). We sent them all where they belong, and it was very good to see the smug treasurer Andrew Fraser and her cabinet disappear into obscurity, just as many federal Labor politicians will at the next election.

I am not interested in your role as devils advocate. I can make my own assessment of Abbott and his people. I have even less interest in your hypothetical scenarios.

Remember this - Just as the people in Qld were prepared to give Campbell Newman a go, even though he was not even an elected parliamentarian, and they voted in over 40 first-time MP's (from memory - I'd have to check the numbers). They did this because they looked at people and policies, and said 'this Labor government is BAD, and we believe the opposition, warts and all, will do better'. And didn't Labor try and find warts and all - happily smearing not only Newman, but his wife and family, and trying every dirty political trick in the Labor playbook.

Now, please try again - what has Labor done that I should consider, that may make me want to rethink, and re-elect them ON THEIR RECORD.

allan907 7th Jun 2012 07:01

"Dr No", "relentless negativity" etc etc. Repeat the mantra and enough will believe in it. And that is why Abbott does not poll big "likeable" figures. But more on that later :E

Abbott is the leader of the Opposition. The definition of opposition?

1. the action of opposing, resisting, or combating.

2. antagonism or hostility.

3. a person or group of people opposing, criticizing, or protesting something, someone, or another group.

4. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the major political party opposed to the party in power and seeking to replace it.


Now given that Abbott has a duty to oppose what the Opposition perceives to be bad policy I would think that he is doing exactly what he is paid to do and is doing it very admirably.

In fact he is so good at doing this that he caused the downfall of Rudd. And I seem to remember that the mantra from those of the left on this thread was much the same as now. However, they were proved to be wrong then as they are wrong now. Witness the parade of invective from the ALP heavies in decrying Rudd and his abilities. It's nice to know that the prime minister and most of her ministers backed what some of us were saying back in the days of the Cane Toad Wheel.

In pinning the name "Dr No" on Tony Abbott this government are showing just how scared they are of the threat from the Opposition. And everytime that it is trotted out it merely reminds everyone of how bad a government Gillard is running. But perhaps they think that the Opposition's job is simply to agree with the Government on all things and make life very easy for them.

No doubt the ALP will reverse this thinking once they are in opposition (but will that opposition be credible with the reduced numbers in the House?).

The Labor Party were elected in 2007. They have had plenty of time to enact one, just one, decent policy which hasn't turned almost instantly to rat shit. They have had plenty of time to lead and not blame previous Governments. That they have not done so just shows what an incompetent rabble that they are. And please don't trot out the "they saved us from the global recession". There's as much evidence to say that had we done nothing, bugger all, then we would have avoided it. Western Australia and Queensland/NT are keeping this nation afloat at the moment. That was as true in the dark days of 2008 as it is now. China was still buying. The earnings from the boom States are continuing to prop up subsidies to inefficient and dated industries based in the Eastern States.

And, finally, if the thought of "Dr No" at the helm is so frightening then why are 60% of the voters of Australia willing to give them a go??

Andu 7th Jun 2012 07:03


I actually do believe we have it good in Australia compared to over countries
Lex, you're right, but I believe your argument falls flat on its face when you look at the state of damn near EVERY other western industrial nation. Europe and the UK, after 60+ years of differing versions of the Welfare State, are beyond broke. The US is so deeply in debt that the figures beggar description. Are you really saying that just because a succession of inept foreign politicians have led their countries into what amounts to an abyss, we shouldn't feel too badly about our current crop of "leaders" have, in five short years, lead us into a not quite so deep abyss - when five years ago, thanks to the previous mob not following the European and US example, we were in the black?

If I could go back to the early Eighties, when all the 'smart' money was involved in "Bottom of the Harbour" schemes. (Are you old enough to remember them?) Blind Freddie could see were dodgy and clearly illegal, but "greed was good", and more than a few of the well known personalities in the upper levels of the Australian financial (and not just financial) 'Establishment' were up to the earlobes in these schemes, some of which robbed thousands of ordinary people of their retirement savings. (Christopher Skase and Alan Bond are two names that immediately come to mind, but there were many others.)

Your argument is a bit like someone back then saying: "Well, even though it's wrong, everyone else is doing it, why shouldn't I?"

For all their sins, the Liberals under John Howard didn't follow the US and European example and Australia was in the almost unique position of having, not only no national debt, but money in the bank. (I'll agree with you that some of that money definitely should have been spent on establishing infrastructure, but for the sake of brevity, let's leave that to another time.)

In five short years, the Rudd and Gillard governments have done their damnedest to catch up with the rest of the western world in the debt stakes, and on a per capita basis, I believe they've managed to pass quite a few.

It was Charles Dickens' Mr Micawber who said:


"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."
Wise man that Mr Micawber.

Isaac Hunte 7th Jun 2012 10:54


In reality the real danger from illegal arrivals are those who arrive from commercial flights.These at any point number at least 10,000 and are not fleeing persecution or personal danger because of religious persecution or from anything but are definitely here in Australia illegally.

They are mainly from the UK and New Zealand as well as some from Europe but are very much illegal and not refugees but no one seems to bother about them yet they are not only taking Australian jobs but also revenue because they are working on a cash basis.As well as this it is costing the Australian tax payer a small fortune to round up and deport when they are finally caught.

If someone is a genuine refugee then we should be trying to help them but not the tens of thousands who arrived here on commercial flights and stay illegally
This is what Labor would want you to believe.

There is a huge difference between those who overstay and those who jump the queue and arrive illegally from Indonesia. The overstayers are unable to attach themselves to Centrelink for fear of being arrested and deported. Immigration will know who they are and where they're from, because they came in through the front door.

The illegals on the other hand, go to extreme lengths to frustrate Immigration by destroying their travel documents, lying about their age and other circumstances etc. They cost a fortune to keep in detention, and the much the same when released into the community because all or many will be on Centrelink for life.

BTW, Captain Emad, the people smuggler "Kingpin" exposed on Four Corners has fled Australia. Last I heard he was trying to claim asylum in Indonesia. :)

Worrals in the wilds 7th Jun 2012 23:07

FWIW I think david's on the money and I think a lot of traditional Labor voters agree with some or all of his concerns.

Once you set yourself up as a person with no integrity (as Gillard has done) you can't expect people to believe a word you have to say. Happened to Bligh and her government and it's happened to the Canberra mob too.

A lot of Queenslanders didn't actually like Newman all that much (as a lot of Australians don't like Abbott, which is supported by both the polls and plenty of anecdotal evidence) and a lot of Queenslanders have a fundamental distrust of anything involving the National Party, but they still voted for him and his LNP government because they were sick of the BS and incompetence. In fairness I think the federal ALP government is more competent than the previous State ALP government in Qld, but people still see them as a balls up and they certainly see them as BS artists. The impresssions I've heard from a lot of people about the economy reflect that; they think either Swan's fudged the figures or they think the current government are riding on Howard and/or the miners' coat tails. That's the few people who are even talking about it; up here it's being trumped by the footy and the Olympics, which backs up the 'people not listening' theory from some of the press commentators.

When a treasurer can announce that a country is one of a handfull bucking a global trend and people either don't care or disbelieve him, that treasurer (and his government) have an integrity or a credibility problem. The trouble with integrity problems is that they're very hard to shake off, because claims of 'well I lied last time but I'm being truthful this time, honest' are generally met with suspicion, whether in politics or real life. :suspect: The trouble with credibility problems is that once people have decided you don't know what you're doing, even if it's completely untrue it's hard to convince them otherwise. I personally don't mind Swan, but there is a lot of distrust for him out there.

At this stage I think that's what will happen with Abbott. People don't like him but they'll vote for the Libs anyway.

david1300 7th Jun 2012 23:31

Why people don't listen to the Treasurer
 
As WITW says, "Once you set yourself up as a person with no integrity (as Gillard has done) you can't expect people to believe a word you have to say." Put Government in place of person, and you'll know why.

Swan can trumpet on all he likes about good figures - I have never seen as many empty shops in places I go, like last night in our largest regional shopping centre on the Gold Coast, Robina Town Centre; yesterday in my suburban shopping centre; last week in Helensvale and Southport. We see that, and we know people who are out of work.

Yesterday this was a news report from Sydney:
THE number of company collapses so far this financial year is up 13.6 per cent on the previous one, and many companies are expected to remain under pressure.
Accounting firm Taylor Woodings, which specialises in company restructuring, says that up to the end of April, company collapses totalled 9074.
In April 2012, 869 companies failed, up seven per cent on the number of collapses in April 2011.
However, the number of collapses was 14.3 per cent down on the 1014 company failures in March 2012.
Taylor Woodings said its analysis of data from the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) showed that, generally, businesses struggled during April, especially in the retail and construction industries.

Company collapses up 13.6 per cent | Latest Business & Australian Stock market News | thetelegraph.com.au

These are only companies that fail - not those that close their doors and exit quietly having come to arrangements with creditors; and this number does not include partnerships and individual traders and family businesses that suffer the same fate. Take these into account and the losses are huge.

'nuff said, I think.

Clare Prop 8th Jun 2012 00:37

Isn't it a pity that it should matter whether or not people "like" the leader of the party. it's populist politics like this, voting for the one with the cheesiest grin, that gave us Rudd and brought people like Tony Blair to the world stage to spread death and destruction behind the guise of being a "rather nice sort of chap" and pehaps some silly people who voted for Gillard's party "because she is a woman".


Some of the best politicians in history haven t been very " nice" and some of the worst have had huge popularity..at first. This whole 'sleb' culture doesn't belong in politics, keep it for the screaming hordes on TV

Wouldn't it be nice if people looked to their local candidates and what they could offer. My local bloke is just as good when his party are in government or opposition.

I've never seen any evidence of the terrible personality traits Abbot is supposed to have yet Gillard and co prove their pants are on fire every day!

How about that pi$$ weak response from the Feds re letting Capt Emad go back to wherever to carry n his business? Who are they actually working for?

CoodaShooda 8th Jun 2012 00:53


How about that pi$$ weak response from the Feds re letting Capt Emad go back to wherever to carry n his business? Who are they actually working for?
I'm not sure I can trust 4 Corners (or any other media show) to be a judge and jury, Clare.

Remember, Channel 7 convinced a large number of people that Rudd would make a good PM.

david1300 8th Jun 2012 01:06


Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 7232737)
I'm not sure I can trust 4 Corners (or any other media show) to be a judge and jury, Clare.

Remember, Channel 7 convinced a large number of people that Rudd would make a good PM.

Remember too that is was on the back of a 4 Corners Report that the government knee-jerked and banned live cattle exports, causing untold financial hardship on farmers/graziers and that whole industry, and then paid $$ in compensation.

Clare Prop 8th Jun 2012 01:07

I agree, it's not what they did or didn't do so much as the way they presented themselves.

Wasn't this the same lot that went chasing after Haneef over the sim card?

I don't suppose it will matter much to the people smuggling industry which country Emad is in and it will hopefully free up some public housing. Meanwhile there must be a lot of people in high places relieved that he is not here to "spill the beans".



The question I want answered is how he was fast-tracked as a "refugee". How, if he had thrown away all his documents etc he is able to fly out on a passport, presumably Australian, when he has only been here a couple of years?

Worrals in the wilds 8th Jun 2012 01:35


Isn't it a pity that it should matter whether or not people "like" the leader of the party.
I don't think it does, actually. I think it matters to the meeja and a lot of back room people within the ALP (both as an industry and as voters) but I don't think the average person sees likeablility as a key trait. Howard wasn't liked by a lot of people and nor was Keating, but people voted for them because there was a degree of trust.

I think the current ALP movers and shakers are confusing media sentiment for public sentiment, and focussing too much on likeability and too little on integrity. Therefore, painting Abbott as unlikeable falls fairly flat, because people don't care. IMHO it's a flawed strategy.

parabellum 8th Jun 2012 01:39


Joe Hockey could not but say that things were looking good for Australia.This was after the figures for March had come out not more than a day after Dr No said we were in a precarious position.Now with more than a little egg on his face Dr No cannot believe his bad luck and like Joe Hockey is struggling to find something negative to say about our economy.
Lex, please come to Victoria and explain to the thousands who have lost their jobs this year just how good Australia is for them, would you please? I'm sure you will get a very warm welcome. The Australian economy is kept afloat by the mining industry which is good for them and the ancillary businesses they attract, that is it, the rest of Australia is suffering and the ALP can't see it.

You say at least twice words to the effect, "It is generally recognised in Australia that the stimulus package saved the economy", yet the head of the RBA said it was unnecessary and had no effect, (most of it spent on foreign goods, no reduction in rates debt to local councils registered etc.)
Who should we believe, you or the head of the RBA?

RJM 8th Jun 2012 01:51


Wasn't this the same lot that went chasing after Haneef over the sim card?
It's about risk, isn't it? If Haneef had turned out to be a terrorist and we'd let him go foir lack of persuasive evidence, people would be very critical of the govt.

Isn't risk the argument in climate change as well? Even if the evidence is compromised, the risk of taking no precaution is so great that we must act nonetheless.

Ditto our friend the smuggler Captain - surely we had enough to hold him if not actually hang him.

eagle 86 8th Jun 2012 04:35

Stimulus package worked because there were billions of Howard dollars in the bank to give away - now there are billions of dollars of labor debt and if more giveaways are required then more will need to be borrowed. Rest assured if another GFC occurs then Oz will suffer along with the rest of the developed world even when Abbott is in government because years and years will be required to correct the labor financial mess.
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Andu 8th Jun 2012 07:09

Another boat today.


Sixth asylum seeker boat in a week

From: AAP June 07, 2012 11:35AM

THE sixth boat in a week carrying suspected asylum seekers has been intercepted off the coast of Western Australian.

Customs vessel Botany Bay rendered assistance to the boat, west-southwest of Ashmore Islands yesterday.

The boat had 23 passengers and two crew on board.

It was initially spotted from a surveillance aircraft.

Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare said the passengers were being transferred to Christmas Island for security, health and identity checks.
and


Immigration Minister Chris Bowen yet to act on alleged people-smuggling kingpin

by: Ben Packham
From:The Australian
June 08, 20122:35PM

FOUR days after "Captain Emad" was exposed as an alleged people-smuggling kingpin, Immigration Minister Chris Bowen still doesn't know whether he can revoke the man's refugee visa.

Mr Bowen was today under pressure to reveal how long he'd known of the allegations against Iraqi-born refugee Ali al-Abassi, and why he'd failed to cancel his visa before he fled the country.

allan907 8th Jun 2012 08:46

To ensure that he was fully up to date on the "boat people" situation and was fully aware of the implications of government policy Minister Chris Bowen has paid a lightning visit to Ashmore Reef before going to Christmas Island to inspect the facilities.......













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Lex Talionis 9th Jun 2012 14:42

I don't know about that Al because with the millpond look of that pic it looks more like lake Burley Griffin than open water and the photo looks like the SS Liberal with Captain No at the helm.It also looks like the rest of the crew have abandoned ship leaving Captain No to run adrift.

It also looks like I'm not the only one to suggest that the doomism that Dr/Captain No keeps bleating is showing Abbott for what he is.

Merchants of doom, beware

"While the US generated 69,000 new jobs in May, Australia generated 38,900. That is, Australia created about half as many jobs in a workforce only one-twelfth the size. The US unemployment rate was unchanged at 8.1 per cent. Australia's rose from 4.9 per cent to 5.1 as more people, encouraged to enter the workforce, started looking for jobs.

And the "wrecking ball" that Abbott and the opposition have warned time and time again is going to smash its way through the economy? There was no sign of it, not yet, anyway. Business investment surged, mainly in the mining sector. Household spending was even stronger.

What happened to the desolate, tumble-weed strewn ghost economy you'd expect as firms and families run for cover in fear of the economic Armageddon so long foretold by the Abbott of Doom?

Certainly, the international business advisory firm of Dun & Bradstreet must have been left off the Coalition's mailing list. Because when it released its Global Risk Indicator a couple of weeks ago it advised its clients that: "Australia is one of the safest trade and foreign investment destinations globally, ranking alongside Canada, Germany, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland, according to an analysis of 131 countries"

"The problem for the opposition is that the good news demonstrates the limits to its strategy of doomism. Hockey was left with nothing to say except to look hopefully to future doom. What if Armageddon arrives in three weeks, and nothing happens? Because that is the likely outcome. Just like Labor's scare campaign against the Howard government's GST package, it will prove to be largely hollow"

"The Abbott opposition needs to show that it can build, not just destroy. It needs an alternative to doomism, and it needs it soon"

The problem is that after the new taxes have come into effect and Australia is still doing very nicely the credibility of Dr No will not be looking too good because the media will be asking him when the wheels are going to fall off as he predicted?

Tony Abbott has been in shopping centres,butchers shops and just about everywhere predicting everything from a lamb chop to the coal industry will be destroyed.

When that has not happened what will he look like to anyone who thinks?

RJM 9th Jun 2012 15:42

Just interrupting to say that another two boats arrived this afternoon.

Meanwhile, Ian Rintoul, boss of the Refugee Action Alliance, says that peopled smugglers are really humanitarian workers...


Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Ian Rintoul said ABC TV's Four Corners had failed to show Abu Ali al-Kuwaiti -- also known as Abdul Khadem -- had been harshly treated by Howard government policies.

"If Abdul has organised boats from Indonesia, they are boats of asylum-seekers like himself, cruelly treated by mandatory detention," he said. "Assisting asylum-seekers to get to safety in Australia should not be a crime." - Australian, June 7, 2012
Can you imagine what the Refugee Action Alliance is telling the people smugglers, sorry, humanitarian workers, throughout Asia?

In a former life, Rintoul was a big wheel in the International Socialist Alliance, dedicated to the downfall of western democracy in favour of a socialist system and a founding member of the Solidarity group in Sydney.

A member of the Australia's inner-city 'intellectual elite', Mr Rintoul sports the longish hair and goatee beard of the type, and is known to listen to jazz music.

hellsbrink 9th Jun 2012 17:24

Lex

Serious question.

How many of these new jobs are only part-time, and how many of these new people moving into the employment market are people who have been "homemakers" (the posh, PC version of "housewife") who are now being forced into part or full time work due to costs rising to the point where only one salary isn't enough for the family to live on at the standards they are used to?

I'm asking because it is something that has been seen elsewhere and your opinion piece (for that is what it is, not actually news or factual reporting but merely the opinion of a columnist) doesn't give any breakdown of the figures.

I'm curious, that's all, as it's the sort of thing that can give a better picture of the state of the economy than the usual dribble that comes out of any government.

allan907 10th Jun 2012 01:55


I don't know about that Al because with the millpond look of that pic it looks more like lake Burley Griffin than open water and the photo looks like the SS Liberal with Captain No at the helm.It also looks like the rest of the crew have abandoned ship leaving Captain No to run adrift.

Crikey Lex! You're absolutely right.

Once I had managed to find a really heavily tinted pair of rose coloured spectacles I could just about see what you are getting at. :8

eagle 86 10th Jun 2012 02:54

Lex,
Gerry Harvey has a different view of household spending than your references - I know who I would rather believe.
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