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dat581 22nd Jun 2013 14:10

I'd say quite a few Labour pollies have thought that from the start but have stayed on message until now. If they think they are going to get booted out of office why not just say what you have wanted to all along. :hmm:

gassed budgie 22nd Jun 2013 18:10


Bob Carr, in today's 'Australian' (surprisingly) saying that the current refugee convention is outdated, that Australia cannot continue to be a haven for middle class Sri Lankans, Iranians and anyone else who CHOOSES to bypass normal immigration procedures to self-select Australia as a more pleasant place to live than their own countries
The above would appear to be a simple cut & paste from Greg Sheridan's article in The Oz from a few days ago, but for a Labor foreign minister to pubicly contemplate removing Australia from the 1951 refugee convention is quite extraordinary. It just shows how out of control and desperate the situation has become. To call it a monumental stuff up of epic proportions is being far to kind to the cockheads who were and are intimately involved and responsible for this almighty clusterfcuk.

One other thing while I'm here. I'm gonna be mightly pissed off if the Labor caucus dumps Gillard towards the end of next week. We've had to put up with this poor excuse for a PM for far too long and I want to see her to ride the whole rotten, filthy, stinking mess all the way down as the government augers in at the upcoming election.

I don't want to give the left wing leaning luvvies from Emily's list, or Women for Gillard or any other organisation sympathetic to the PM (The Age for example after it's pathetic editorial today) the chance to rewrite history after the election.
I can see it now. "Julia was unfairly removed as PM, so we'll never know if she would have been successful in turning the tables and winning the 2013 election. All the signs were there that this was indeed possible." Yeh right. Don't give'm the opportunity.

Anyway, it looks like they're knucking fackered. Roll on September the 14th, removing the cilly bunts from the government benches can't happen soon enough for me.

500N 22nd Jun 2013 18:54

"Women for Gillard"

When I heard that was being set up, I almost choked.

The woman has some nerve, that's for sure.


How close to the ground before we crash ?

BenThere 22nd Jun 2013 18:59

Don't you have some sort of law against opposing a female in government?

Despite the record, shouldn't half of OZ vote Labor because a woman heads it?

Isn't gender the issue everyone faces?

Shame on anyone who focuses on survival of the culture/nation. So irrelevant!

500N 22nd Jun 2013 19:05

BenThere

Article in main newspaper today.

"For the sake of the Nation, Gillard should stand aside" !

Kind of sums it up nicely because she has stuffed it.

Saltie 22nd Jun 2013 22:19


One other thing while I'm here. I'm gonna be mightly pissed off if the Labor caucus dumps Gillard towards the end of next week. We've had to put up with this poor excuse for a PM for far too long and I want to see her to ride the whole rotten, filthy, stinking mess all the way down as the government augers in at the upcoming election.

I don't want to give the left wing leaning luvvies from Emily's list, or Women for Gillard or any other organisation sympathetic to the PM (The Age for example after it's pathetic editorial today) the chance to rewrite history after the election.
I can see it now. "Julia was unfairly removed as PM, so we'll never know if she would have been successful in turning the tables and winning the 2013 election. All the signs were there that this was indeed possible." Yeh right. Don't give'm the opportunity.
gassed budgie, do you have a bug planted in my living room?

What you posit is exactly what will happen if the not so faceless men roll Gillard next Friday, and we'll be treated to another forty years of the total crap we've endured about the sacking of the third worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen, Gough Whitlam.



The same Gough Whitlam who was defeated soundly in an election six weeks after he was removed. Just as I sincerely hope Julia Eileen Gillard, and not some stand-in, will be on 14th September or preferably earlier.

boofta 22nd Jun 2013 22:37

The illegals currently flooding Oz should be happy with any type
of accommodation and brutal processing. But being middle class
at least and totally ECONOMIC REFUGEES they are deeply offended
by Manus, Nauru, having paid tens of thousands of dollars for this
cruise to paradise. It must be tough having to call the authorities
on their personal satellite phones when SINKING a few kilometres
off Indonesia, for the fares paid you would think the smugglers
would have decent communications.
As an aside, what is happening to the hundreds of crappy fishing
boats after these tourists are offloaded into our welfare system.
Anyone know? The boats must be stacked up somewhere. After
all the greenies wouldn't allow them to be burnt or sunk as it
would damage the environment the new arrivals travel through.

500N 22nd Jun 2013 22:47

I believe they are burnt.

They used to be moored at Broome and Darwin
and then burnt all together.

But as you say, the Greenies probably had a fit, forgetting
all the nasties that could invade Aus which of course would
do a hell of a lot more damage than any smoke created !

Captain Sand Dune 22nd Jun 2013 23:17

Sink 'em around Christmas Island and make a reef! With all the boats carrying country shoppers sinking around there it'll grow pretty quickly!:E

parabellum 23rd Jun 2013 00:38

I read somewhere that AQIS, or maybe DAFF, insist that they are burned in case they are carrying any kind of disease, bug or bacteria that could adversely effect the Australian environment, seems reasonable.

500N 23rd Jun 2013 01:07

It is AQIS

I beleive the boats are fully fumigated before being tied up / beached
but they still like them burnt. I think sinking is out because 1. most are
made of wood and 2. You never know what little eggies are hiding
that may pot out - ie Star fish !

Bro was an ATC 23rd Jun 2013 02:54

Approx 90% of boat arrivals in the past 2 years have been found to be legitimate refugees. There's nothing illegal about seeking refuge. Where are they coming from? Iraq, Afghanistan & Sri Lanka mainly.

Captain Sand Dune 23rd Jun 2013 05:15

Refer post #6128, in particular:

“Having considerable experience interviewing and assessing boat arrival claims, I can confidently say ... that we are approving large numbers of people who are fabricating claims,” he wrote in an unpublished account of the process, obtained by The Weekend Australian…

The Weekend Australian also interviewed a former member of the Refugee Review Tribunal, who ... said that asylum-seekers on Christmas Island told him they had simply copied their claims from other applicants who had been successful.
No, there's nothing illegal about seeking refuge - if you're a genuine refugee.

500N 23rd Jun 2013 06:25

Bro

"found to be legitimate refugees."

By the lefty, socialist do gooders who want to give everyone
a free home and free hand outs.

Last 2 years ?

Sounds like the AS are just after a better, more cushy life compared
to where they come from. Sri Lanka is no longer at war, nor is Iraq
and Afghanistan isn't exactly a full blown war.


Maybe we need to set some guidelines for AS who are granted
AS status.

1. You break the law - shipped back, no right of appeal for good,
no returning.
And a few other rules that could be applied.

chuboy 23rd Jun 2013 07:06


Originally Posted by 500N (Post 7905440)
nor is Iraq, and Afghanistan isn't exactly a full blown war.

:suspect:


There's no problem with wanting to control illegal immigration but come on, surely you are able to make your point without having to resort to ridiculous claims like this?

I know I am certainly not in any hurry to visit Iraq or Afghanistan.

500N 23rd Jun 2013 07:17

chuboy

They aren't in a full blown war.

Andu 23rd Jun 2013 08:55


nor is Iraq, and Afghanistan isn't exactly a full blown war.
It's going to get really interesting in the months, (and let's face it, years), immediately after the West declares 'victory' and our troops depart - (shades of Vietnam) - leaving the defence of our approved version of Afghanistan in the capable (ahem) hands of the Karsi Government, (who are about as capable as the Gillard Government) and its oh so honest and professional police force and national army.

The Taliban will control all of Afghanistan, with the possible exception of the ten blocks making up the CBD of Kabul and a tight perimeter surrounding the airport within six months.

Then we'll have Afghans seeking asylum in droves - and they'll include quite a few who will possibly deserve asylum, unlike 90% if not more of the country shoppers currently being granted it.

The 90% of the current lot who "prove" to be genuine is a total sham - and everyone who has even peripheral exposure to the system who does not have an agenda will tell you so.

parabellum 23rd Jun 2013 12:01


Approx 90% of boat arrivals in the past 2 years have been found to be
legitimate refugees. There's nothing illegal about seeking refuge. Where are
they coming from? Iraq, Afghanistan & Sri Lanka mainly.
Total tosh, as explained by former members of the Appeals Tribunal. As they arrive with no papers but with well rehearsed plausible stories they are given the benefit of the doubt. About 10% are genuine refugees in need of asylum.

RJM 23rd Jun 2013 12:07


Approx 90% of boat arrivals in the past 2 years have been found to be
legitimate refugees.
Would you mind giving us the source and date of your information, BWAATC?

Andu 23rd Jun 2013 22:41

It would seem, from news reports this morning, that Nelson Mandela's health is failing. (With the greatest respect for the man, surely to God the best option by far for him would be to let the poor bugger go in peace and with some dignity rather than string it out with heroic measures as they're doing? But that's not the point I was attempting to make here.)

My point is: if he goes before mid-September, (or even moreso, within the next week), will Julia Gillard dare to travel to attend the funeral? Particularly with the recent example of the Chief Minister of the NT and his untidy political demise whilst overseas on an official visit very fresh in the minds of the political junkies, can she afford to leave her 'six' unguarded by leaving the country, even for 24 hours?

Interesting times...


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