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sisemen 13th Apr 2013 09:19


Aftab Malik, 37, said a "sense of uneasiness" existed in Muslim Australia that he recognised in British Muslims before the July 7, 2005, suicide bombings by Islamist terrorists that killed 52 people, prompting a dramatic reassessment of issues.
By and large (and I generalise) the disaffected muslims are not the current boat mob, rather they are the crims and low life imported from Lebanon and surrounding areas a decade or so ago.

But this is a stark warning that our pollies (on both sides of the fence) are hopefully fully aware of and have contingency plans. (personally I'd put SHY in the front line wearing a placard saying "bomb me, bomb me")

Flying Binghi 13th Apr 2013 09:44


...(personally I'd put SHY in the front line wearing a placard saying "bomb me, bomb me")
Heh, Islam could have other 'uses' for her..:)

"The Qur'an allows for the owning of sex slaves -- and slaves, by definition, must act at their master's behest, whether or not they wish to perform the action or not. So sex slavery is essentially an Islamic justification for rape. The Qur'an says:..."


#MyJihad in Israel: Muslim men raping Jewish girls "as a form of anti-Israel terrorism" - Jihad Watch





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Andu 13th Apr 2013 23:04


ACV Ocean Protector, operating under the coordination of Border Protection Command, rendered assistance to a suspected irregular entry vessel that sought assistance east of Ashmore Islands on Thursday.

Initial indications suggest there were 20 passengers and one crew on board.

HMAS Maitland, operating under the control of Border Protection Command, separately intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel north east of Christmas Island on Thursday.

Initial indications suggest there were 101 people on board.

HMAS Maitland, operating under the control of Border Protection Command, intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel within Flying Fish Cove at Christmas Island on Wednesday.

Initial indications suggest there were 75 people on board.

The vessel was initially reported by the Christmas Island Harbour Master and the Australian Federal Police.
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Meanwhile, Michael Smith is indulging in a bit of fantasy over on his site that I'm sure many would find most attractive.


"Prime Minister, at this stage, I have formally advised Federal Agent (insert name, will be advise on the morning of arrest) of your AFP-CPP crew (Australian Federal Police Close Personal Protection) that I have in my possession a Warrant of Apprehension issued by a Justice in the State of Victoria which directs me to arrest you, Julia Eileen GILLARD and to bring you without delay before the Melbourne Magistrates' Court to answer the charges that are set out in the Warrant, which you may now read and which I now formally execute on you.

The Federal Agent in charge of your CPP detachment has been advised of the existence and validity of the Warrant and my intention to execute it here today and he and his CPP crew have been directed not to hinder me in my duty as I now place you formally under arrest.

Federal Agent, would you please signify your understanding of what I have said and would you now please formally recognise the transfer of control of the PM from you and your crew who may now stand down.

(Await recognition from the Federal Agent who will direct his/her CPP team to withdraw), and I formally advise you that my team of detectives and I now have the aforesaid prisoner Julia Eileen GILLARD in our custody and control and that she will now be conveyed to the Magistrates' Court at Melbourne for such further remand or release on bail as the Court may direct.

Julia Eileen GILLARD, (places hand on her shoulder), you are under arrest, do you fully understand what I have just said, you are not obliged to say anything but anything you do say may be recorded and given in evidence against you, do you fully understand?"


sisemen 14th Apr 2013 01:47

Now I know what the aboriginals mean by "dream time" :E

Meanwhile......in WA there was going to be an onshore gas processing plant at James Price Point in the Kimberley. I think that most of Australia knows about it - certainly the greens and leftists do as it is a cause celebre for them. After long negotiations it was determined that there would be a $1.5 Billion dollar benefit for the local aborigines if the project went ahead which would be a significant move to lift them out of the (some would say self-imposed given the wealth of Government support and allowances) poverty that they are in.

It now appears that the project is canned (loud cheers from the loopy few) but, and here's the kicker, the head of the local Aboriginal Land Council is saying that they should still get the $1.5 Billion!

Words fail me.

Clare Prop 14th Apr 2013 05:02

Sure, let them have it, so long as it comes from the pockets of the likes of Bob Brown and Simon Shiekh and all those other city slicker rent-a-mobs who overrode the locals' decision to go ahead with it and called them coconuts etc.......I'm sure they wouldn't mind!

7x7 14th Apr 2013 22:21

Milk and Wheaties all over my keyboard when I read this earth-shattering news regarding the recent Lion Air crash at Bali on the news.com.au site this morning. Schapelle Corby's boyfriend Ben Panangian was at plane crash scene, helped rescue passengers | News.com.au


Schapelle Corby's boyfriend Ben Panangian was at plane crash scene, helped rescue passengers
Oh... my... God... Could the Australian MSM stoop any lower than to come up with a headline like this? Stand by now for No Idea and Wimmin's Day to run a joint campaign insisting that, on the strength of Ben's uberheroic bravery, Julia Gillard demands Our Schapelle's immediate release - and Gillard throwing another couple of hundred million Indonesia's way to pull it off. Then we'll see a multi page, soft focus spread in all the wimmins' magazines of Joolia and Schapelle immediately before the election.

Back to reality, I'm still agog and slightly disbelieving of that headline.

sisemen 15th Apr 2013 15:29

I really don't think that the ranga or her advisors/ministers can help it. To slash university funding ( a hot bed of leftists and one would suppose, supporters of the ALP) to fund Gonski and subsequently pick a fight with the States is yet another Dullard mission which snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ah well only another 151 days to go.

7x7 16th Apr 2013 00:37

Larry Pickering did a cartoon (see it on his site) that explained it very clearly. Leftie student asks Gillard "Why did you hurt me?" Gillard answers "Because you would never hurt me."

She can stick the boot in as hard as she likes with 99% of kids (note "kids") doing anything but science and engineering at university and she knows they'll still vote for her - or, at worst, only "protest" by voting for the Greens (which in Gillard's skewed world, is probably even better).

Interesting to see that the boss of ASIO has flagged "over 200" young "Australians" now fighting for rebel forces in Syria and fears that they might represent a security threat after they return to this country with both combat experience and exposure to Islamic radicalisation.

Whilst I agree that the ASIO boss has a point, I also see, not too many years from now, calls to:

(a) allow these 'veterans' to march on Anzac Day,
(b) that they be eligible for Department of Veterans' Affairs benefits, and
(c) that those killed in Syria and elsewhere whilst on 'jihad' be added to the roll or honour at the War Memorial.

I also predict that there will be politicians (you know of what persuasion) who, in need of votes, will back these demands. Quite a few of those politicians might well be called Achmed or Mustafa or something similar as well.

You think I'm joking? Just wait a few years and I guarantee some future Kaiser Trad will try this on.

500N 16th Apr 2013 00:47

"the boss of ASIO has flagged "over 200" young "Australians" now fighting for rebel forces in Syria and fears that they might represent a security threat after they return to this country with both combat experience and exposure to Islamic radicalisation."

Interesting considering the Gov't didn't seem to worried
about a whole load of Aussies going over to Europe to
fight in the Bosnia conflict.

And that included some serving soldiers who "took leave" to go over.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Apr 2013 01:02


She can stick the boot in as hard as she likes with 99% of kids (note "kids") doing anything but science and engineering at university and she knows they'll still vote for her - or, at worst, only "protest" by voting for the Greens (which in Gillard's skewed world, is probably even better).
I don't think they will this time; not all of them anyway. They might say they did, but the ALP knows all too well that what people say and how people actually vote are sometimes two very different things.

Also, unis aren't the hotbeds of leftiness that they were in the 80s and 90s. If you haven't kicked around a campus in a while you may find it surprising how corporate the younger students are. I did, anyway. Of course there are still huggies and socialists around, but they're nowhere near as influential as they once were. If you have recently kicked around a campus that was full of lefties then be assured that it's not across the board.

By way of example, the UQ Student Union is affiliated to the LNP in all but name and has been for some years. I believe the QUT Student Guild is the same, though it may have changed recently. I have been involved with four unis over the past five years and only one had a particularly left wing vibe, which had as much to do with their location as anything else. Most students I encountered were just there to get their degree and get a well paid job. Additionally, the big influx of foreign students has really damped down student activism, because they don't care about domestic issues (and why would they :bored:).

Gillard and Co may have done some surveys and found that they've already lost the uni student vote anyway. The staff would be a different question but they're a relatively small population group, and there are far more school teachers around.

Andu 16th Apr 2013 01:09


The staff would be a different question
I'd have agree with that comment, Worrals. My daughter, who rarely did not receive distinctions or high distinctions for her assignments, says that she tailored her assignments to suit the political / sexist leanings of particular lecturers, which were invariably Left-leaning.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Apr 2013 01:14

For sure, particularly in humanities and courses like environmental science. Not so much science; IME they're a mixed bag depending on their speciality and in any case the marking is less subjective (you're usually either right or wrong). Also IME I found business/management lecturers were generally fairly right wing, though not exclusively so. Likewise law. Of course other institutions may be different. :8 If the world has ever produced a left wing engineering lecturer then I'm yet to meet them. :}

One of Labor's big problems at the moment is they've become very Uncool. Being Cool was what won over a lot of teenage voters in the 80s, but at the moment they're about as trendy as John Farnham. :ouch: The whole student rabble thing that was so popular in the 1990s is seen as tragic by many of today's teenagers, and TBQH they probably have a point. If you go to a rabble these days it's usually a noticeably older crowd than in the 90s; in fact it's mostly the same crowd that was turning up in the 90s, and none of us are getting any more teenaged. :sad:

7x7 16th Apr 2013 06:22

On other sites, people have called for an end to dual citizenship. I agree.

This should be the catalyst to have dual citizenship ship shut down completely - and without exception. I'd be happy with a 'grandfather clause' allowing anyone who is currently holding dual citizenship to be able to maintain permanent Australian residency if they decide that their other citizenship is more important to them than their Australian citizenship. However, such people would no longer be able to vote and subject to deportation if they commit serious crimes - or fight for their 'other' country.

If there are Australian Jews out there who feel their Israeli citizenship is more important than their Australian citizenship or who wish to fight for Israel, sorry, sport(s), here's one more thing you can blame the *** Arabs for. I know many of your young men (and women) have done national service in the IDF and never once caused any problem back here in Australia. However, I can't see any Australian government being able to sell that and to make an exception for Israeli/Australians - and for the Brits as well.

Dual citizenship simply has to go. You're an Australian or you're something else. End of story.

hoofie 16th Apr 2013 07:33


Dual citizenship simply has to go. You're an Australian or you're something else. End of story.
Utter bullshit - I have both British and Australian Citizenship and are equally proud of both. Or am I not really qualified to be an Australian perhaps because I wasn't born here ?

sisemen 16th Apr 2013 07:38

There would be a bit of a constitutional issue with dual British/Australian citizens in that, technically at least, Australia is still a close member of the Commonwealth and will remain so until there is a vote for total independence and a republic.

I would have thought that dual British/Australian citizenship and also our close neighbours in NZ would have to be an exception.

7x7 16th Apr 2013 08:01


Utter bullshit - I have both British and Australian Citizenship and are equally proud of both. Or am I not really qualified to be an Australian perhaps because I wasn't born here ?
I would expect a similar reaction from many dual Israeli / Australian citizens. Re the exception for Brits: as I said, particularly in these days of 'human rights', no government would ever be able to sell dropping dual citizenship with that or any other exception as part of the package.

I stand by my original comment: it's time - past time, in fact - to drop dual citizenship.

Brits included. If maintaining your British citizenship is so important to you, see my grandfather clause.

I don't for one moment think someone not born here should be in any way a lesser citizen than a native-born one. I just believe that for a non-native born resident to become an Australian citizen, he or she should swear allegiance to Australia and only Australia - i.e., that should include, as do the Americans, foregoing allegiance to any other nation.

Including Britain.

sisemen 16th Apr 2013 08:04

Just sayin' ....that to take out Brits would required a change to the Constitution which would have to approved by a majority of the electorate, and which would have to be sanctioned by the Queen (there's a bit of a clue here!).

Stopping it for all other nations merely requires a repeal of whatever law allowed it in the first place.

Clare Prop 16th Apr 2013 08:07

Um, the USA allows dual citizenship.

Dual Citizenship - Countries that allow or don't allow dual citizenship with the United States

I think the Americans only don't allow someone not born there to be president?

Captain Sand Dune 16th Apr 2013 09:29


I don't for one moment think someone not born here should be in any way a lesser citizen than a native-born one. I just believe that for a non-native born resident to become an Australian citizen, he or she should swear allegiance to Australia and only Australia .
Too bl##dy right!:ok:
Why do people with dual citizenship feel it necessary to keep both anyway? Furthermore, why are they so prickly when challenged about it?
My parents didn't feel it necessary to have a foot in both camps when they immigrated here.

dat581 16th Apr 2013 09:47

The problem with keeping duel citizenship for the Brits, Kiwis and Canadians ( the Brits don't even think we are foreign just a bit odd and lippy) while not others is the lefty loonies will scream racism as loud as they can and try to call it imperialism. As far as they are concerned if you are white you are the wrong colour to emigrate to Australia.


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