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Pinky the pilot 10th May 2012 04:56

Peter Costello has denied any desire to return to Parliament, according to today's Australian.
Hmm, I seem to remember an episode of "Yes (Prime)Minister'' where the comment was made that one should never believe anything was going on or some such thing, until it had been officially denied.:rolleyes:

Just my 2 cents worth but I hold the view that Costello's dummy spit resignation from politics was one of the dumbest things he had done. As for whether or not he should return.......:hmm:

bob johns; Re Turnbull, my sentiments exactly!:ok:

dat581 10th May 2012 05:03


That latest drop comes after a drop from 5.3% to 5.2% in Feb.I wonder who most here as well as Mr Abbott will give credit for that to?
Might as well give Abbott the credit because Labour blames him for everything else.

CoodaShooda 10th May 2012 05:04

labor's only means for clawing back support is to bribe the electorate and demonise the opposition. They can't stand on their record of achievement, can they?

I think we can anticipate that the time remaining before the next election will see labor playing personality politics and the class card to an extent that hasn't been seen in Australia before. Queensland was just them warming to the task.

But when you look at it, the Coalition's performance hasn't really been that great in opposition. They've been capitalising on any number of labor own-goals but, too often, you're left :ugh::ugh::ugh: at their presentation skills.


I wonder who most here as well as Mr Abbott will give credit for that to?
I'd suggest the credit goes to that group which is much maligned by labor and its entitled class, those who contribute much and receive little or nothing of benefit from this government, the employer.

Buster Hyman 10th May 2012 05:38

Yeah, that's great news.

Full time jobs decreased by 10,500 jobs & part time employment increased by 26,000... Less work = less money for the carbon tax.

Participation rate decreased to 65.2%.

The number of people looking for full & part time work decreased by 28,200... did they just give up? :confused:

sisemen 10th May 2012 06:53

I would suggest that anyone claiming that the present government's policies have anything to do with a reducing jobless rate is either living in fairy land or is so rusted on to Labor that they probably believe that Thomson is innocent!

Jobs are being created in the mining industries; that means WA and Qld. Jobs are in serious decline in the other States and non-mining industries. That is also coupled to the fact that, for the past year, the 'baby boomers' are hitting 65 and are dipping out of the workforce in ever increasing rates. At the moment, and for the next decade or so, the outflow is greater than the inflow and that coupled with the mining sector enables this shower of scheissen to trumpet that they're wonderful.

Lex Talionis 10th May 2012 07:22


I'd suggest the credit goes to that group which is much maligned by labor and its entitled class, those who contribute much and receive little or nothing of benefit from this government, the employer.
It seems as though you have a sense of humour Cooda.:ok:
Employers only put people on if it suits them and not because they are good hearted.The figure means that the economy is going well and if you look at the UK,Europe and the US we are doing very well.

Jobs are being created in the mining industries; that means WA and Qld
Certainly the mining and resource sector is doing well but how do you explain this headline?
I suppose it is a bit too late to claim credit on the unemployment numbers for John Howard even for some here:E

sisemen 10th May 2012 07:42

Did you actually read the whole article Lex?


Unemployment was Victoria's biggest weakness and had jobless rates above longer-term averages.
The article postulates that the "3 speed economy" is down to housing starts - and that may be down to immigration.

Clare Prop 10th May 2012 08:36

If employers don't create employment then who does?

The unions? One of them has provided plenty of employment in the escort industry, but apart from that what jobs do they create apart from thier own beaurocracy...?

The public service? Not manufacturing anything, not selling anything, not value adding anything, just propping up thier own beaurocracy...

Here is the "class" war thing again, what do they think people like Twiggy should do, just close it all down, sack everyone, fill in the hole (or sell it to the Chinese) and go on the dole?

If you were Lang Hancock's daughter how would the people who are following the party line to "hate the evil wealthy people" have done things differently? Give it all away, spend it on themselves or invest it and create jobs? Honestly the way they carry on anyone would think she was Marie Antoinette...!

Andu 10th May 2012 09:16

If a rumour doing the rounds in Canberra at the moment is to be believed, I understand that a very senior Canberra personage with quasi royal connections is really hoping that the Australian media will follow the French example and declare a politician's personal life to be strictly off limits.

If the rumour is true, the current crisis in this gentleman's personal life might be said to be a case of history repeating itself.

If the rumour proves to be untrue, Australian politics has sunk to a new low.

Worrals in the wilds 10th May 2012 09:42


The unions? One of them has provided plenty of employment in the escort industry, but apart from that what jobs do they create apart from thier own beaurocracy...
No. In an ideal world, they safeguard employment conditions and represent their members collectively so people don't end up flogging themselves in unsafe workplaces for peanuts.

That's supposed to be the charter, and unions that have strayed from that charter and gone into personal entertainment packages at their members' expense and/or politics are already learning what their members and would be members think about that. :mad:

As you say, employers create employment, and they should be encouraged by the government of the day (whatever side it comes from) to do so; however, not at the expense of safety or inferior conditions.

The last point is the grey area; what constitutes inferior conditions is the neverending question. What's fair? What's reasonable? :confused:

The way to establish this is with sensible discussion and negotiation between both sides. In good businesses (whether large or small), this is what happens, whether it's between unions and management or five teenagers and Luigi the restaurant owner. In bad businesses it turns into a punch up. :ouch:

Being a union delegate in a good company is a bit like being a goalie for a good soccer team; you sit around alert but rarely see any action. Good companies communicate with their staff and work out a shared solution, and I'm sure that's what you do in your business, which is why you're successful.

Likewise, a good government provides incentives to good employers and safeguards for people employed by bad employers; like the previous point, what's good and bad is an endless grey area that's ever expanded by the minority of flockwits on both sides (employers and employees) who push the idiot boundary on a daily basis. :( Good governments don't stifle businesses with an onslaught of mindless paperwork, charges and 'initiatives' that only benefit the government and the training industry. Door Opening Course, $195 per employee, coming to a state government near you :yuk:. This is the crap that makes a mockery of legitimate WH&S regulations that prevent companies getting employees to do dumb stuff.

Nor do they decree that Might Is Right, a fair playing field consists of each individual worker against a zillion dollar company and lunch breaks are a privilege.

In my limited experience, any company that ends up with a union/employee punch up either has the wrong management for the job, the wrong workers for the job or in some cases (like the Rat) a combination of both.

Unfortunately recruitment is about as scientific as tarot reading (it kind of works, but no-one knows why, and when it doesn't work you end up with a bunch of bad advice :ouch:) and short term Shareholder Value for the superannuation companies has often replaced the drive to manufacture/build/grow/fly things :sad:, so everyone's values have gotten a bit skewed by the self serving deadbeats on both sides.

CoodaShooda 10th May 2012 10:48


In my limited experience, any company that ends up with a union/employee punch up either has the wrong management for the job, the wrong workers for the job or in some cases (like the Rat) a combination of both.
Agreed, although you missed one group out. The union official using industrial muscle to pursue their own agenda.

Worrals in the wilds 10th May 2012 12:13

Agreed, though I think they fit into the following:

unions that have strayed from that charter and gone into personal entertainment packages at their members' expense and/or politics are already learning what their members and would be members think about that. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif
Anyone who's gone into the union movement for personal glory or big bucks is in the wrong line of work. Apart from anything else the honest state secretaries (and there are plenty of them) often earn less than some of their members, particularly with the mining boom. Nothing wrong with that, either, though the secretaries don't always agree :}.

Buster Hyman 10th May 2012 13:39

Well put Worrals. There is a DEFINITE need for Unions & I would not like to see them disappear completely. I just wish they remembered what they are there for.

Years ago, when the ACTU formed the ALP, they wanted a voice in Parliament. Now, I think they'd go a long way towards regaining some credibility if they divested themselves from a political party & stood up for the workers regardless of who's in power!

Lex Talionis 10th May 2012 14:22


Years ago, when the ACTU formed the ALP, they wanted a voice in Parliament. Now, I think they'd go a long way towards regaining some credibility if they divested themselves from a political party & stood up for the workers regardless of who's in power!
Actually Buster the ALP has been around longer than the ACTU by many years.However,the unions did realise that the real path to success was through political representation but that holds true for virtually any group in society including the employers and thus the conservative parties traditional power base.
That is what really sticks in the craw of conservative supporters.They can't stand the idea of the working class having political power but they don't mind having it themselves and therein lies the problem or at least one problem of many.

No. In an ideal world, they safeguard employment conditions and represent their members collectively so people don't end up flogging themselves in unsafe workplaces for peanuts.
Actually in an ideal world you wouldn't need unions to safeguard employment conditions but with any group power corrupts.That not only includes unions but the corporate world and employers as well.It's a human trait and there will always be someone who will take the leap and most probably take others with them.

sisemen 10th May 2012 16:29


That is what really sticks in the craw of conservative supporters.They can't stand the idea of the working class having political power but they don't mind having it themselves and therein lies the problem or at least one problem of many.
And that is the biggest load of class-driven drivel that I have ever seen.

I am "working class" and I am a basic "conservative supporter" but I have no problem whatsoever with anyone having political power so long as they exercise that power responsibly, professionally and for the good of the whole.

This shower of scheissen fail miserably on all of those scores.

I have never seen a political party fall so far from public grace as this lot have done - not even in the dark days of Jim "What crisis" Callaghan in the UK prior to the left being cast into the wilderness for almost a decade and a half. At least they had honour and principles and would not have contemplated carrying a Thomson and a Slipper to shore up their salaries.

frigatebird 10th May 2012 22:01


That is also coupled to the fact that, for the past year, the 'baby boomers' are hitting 65 and are dipping out of the workforce in ever increasing rates.
More like.. Being forced out of the workforce even earlier because of age prejudice.
But thats allright, just let a few extra muslims and Indos in on lower terms to take up the slack.. :yuk:

Andu 10th May 2012 22:09

Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself
 
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian


AUSTRALIA'S defence budget has been cut to pre-World War II levels, with spending for 2012-13 falling to below 1.6 per cent of gross domestic product, a level unmatched since the 1930s.

"It's reduced to levels not seen since the time of the Munich peace marches," said defence spending expert Mark Thomson from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, invoking an iconic moment from the 1930s.

CoodaShooda 10th May 2012 23:07


There is a DEFINITE need for Unions
Agreed. Just as there is a need for the print and electronic media.

I just wish my past dealings with representatives of both groups had been more positive. There's a limit to how much dishonesty and misrepresentation I can tolerate.

Worrals in the wilds 10th May 2012 23:28

Unfortunately both groups attract a certain number of self-seeking erks. :sad:

Today's Courier Mail editorial on class warfare. :ok:
EDITORIAL: More class, less warfare | The Courier-Mail

Ovation 11th May 2012 01:04

Let me share my limited experience with Unions with you all. Sorry if it’s long, but it’s one worth telling.

In 2002 after 20 years (and 16 days, but then who’s counting) in business I sold out, and I can boast that only once (in 1999) did I ever have a Union rep come through the door (but I’ll leave that story to Part II). My company had over 30 employees in Metal trades – fitters, welders, boilermakers and electricians making package handling equipment for freight terminals, warehouses and to add some Pprune flavouring, even airports. We particularly avoided working on any site where building trade unions were present, and in fact our equipment was designed to be installed just days before a system would go “live”.

Along the way there was close contact with other specialist fabricators who like us, supplied conveying equipment to a “system integrator” whose job was to tie the project together, so we had to co-ordinate our activities and formed good relationships with them all.

Anyway, there was this major expansion at a capital city airport where one of the companies I knew very well was installing a baggage conveyor system. This company had their own permanent site crew who did nothing but installations and travelled all over Australia and even did work internationally. But then the Union demanded before installation could start, they had to employ these two particular fellows (outsiders), and there was no choice but to. The Union also dictated that one would be the Shop Steward, and the other the Health and Safety Rep.

The Union threats and coercion (to employ these fellows) came from various directions. Their delivery trucks would not be allowed on site and if they were, the forklifts or cranes would refuse to unload. There were threats to stop steel deliveries from suppliers to their manufacturing facility.

So this company is now committed with a Million or so of work in progress, and with a gun at their head, had simply no choice in the matter. The native crew who were union members anyway, were intimidated by the two Union heavies, and the outcome was entirely predictable. Components that would normally need a day to install took a week, and during the week the crew would spend most of the day in the crib room drinking coffee and debating some imaginary OHS issue. “But no worries mate, we can work on the weekend (at penalty rates of course) to help move the job along”.

So there was a very unsurprising outcome. A job that should have been completed in 4-5 months ended up taking about 2 years, and the company was bleeding to death. A successful family company that had survived for over 40 years, a leader in its field and one that had great respect from its employees and competitors was destroyed and bankrupted by the bloody mindedness of a Union and their deliberate planting of troublemakers.

There is a Pt II (next week).

Buster Hyman 11th May 2012 03:15


Actually Buster the ALP has been around longer than the ACTU by many years.However,the unions did realise that the real path to success was through political representation but that holds true for virtually any group in society including the employers and thus the conservative parties traditional power base..
I'll concede that point Lex. I'd used ACTU as a generalisation of the Trade Union movement at the time, but I have looked up their respective histories and, whilst they were closely aligned in ideology, the ALP did form independantly it seems.

That is what really sticks in the craw of conservative supporters.They can't stand the idea of the working class having political power but they don't mind having it themselves and therein lies the problem or at least one problem of many.
Nonsense. I just don't like an organisation, especially when it's compulsory to join them, having an affiliation with a political party when their job is to represent my interests against Employers AND Government policy. They cannot do the latter if they are tied to a particular party...or do it in my best interests.

Clare Prop 11th May 2012 05:05

My personal experience of unions has been:
-The Winter of Discontent in the UK
-Being bailed up and held by the throat against a hot packing machine by a shop steward threatening to kill me if I didn't join his union
-Seeing a close friend who was a staunch union supporter and negotiator being completely shafted and bullied by the union she had worked for for decades when she had to take extended sick and carers leave - that she was entitled to.

So far I haven't seen anything yet that has been able to untarnish my view of union thuggery and the terrible disruption they can cause to innocent people's lives by strike action. In fact the shenanigans of Thomson and co just reinforce my jaundiced view.

I realise my view is a narrow one and I'm sure there are many positives for people who feel unable to stand up for themselves. But it's MY view not something I read in the paper.

CoodaShooda 11th May 2012 05:44

One doing the rounds.. Not sure the first example stands much scrutiny......

> >THE FENCE
> >
> >
> > You can't get any more accurate than this!
> >
> >
> >
> > Which side of the fence?
> >
> > If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this
> > is a great test!
> >
> >
> > If a Liberal doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
> > If a Labor doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
> >
> > If a Liberal is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
> > If a Labor is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned
> > for everyone.
> >
> > If a Liberal is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
> > If a Labor is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
> >
> > If a Liberal is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
> > situation.
> > A Labor wonders who is going to take care of him.
> >
> > If a Liberal doesn't like a talk show host, he switches
> > channels.
> > Labor's demand that those they don't like be shut down.
> >
> > If a Liberal is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
> > A Labor non-believer wants any mention of God and religion
> > silenced.
> >
> > If a Liberal decides he needs health care, he goes about
> > shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
> > A Labor demands that the rest of us pay for his.
> >
> > If a Liberal reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can
> > have a good laugh.
> > A Labor will delete it because he's "offended".

Worrals in the wilds 11th May 2012 06:21

John Howard, the great gun lover...:}
The third point is also looking a little shaky, if you believe the allegations. :E

As for the stories from Clare and Ovation, :sad: That's the way it's not supposed to work. Thanks for sharing them.

My only question is, how recent were these events? I'd hope that there have been significant improvements in the last fifteen years, but I do own a well used pair of rose coloured glasses. :\

Anyway, this sort of thing belongs back in the 1970s along with gender discrimination, operating heavy equipment while swigging down rum and twenty people all chain smoking in the office.

There's a hell of a lot of rebuilding to do, and the HSU and NSW Labor Right are just pouring petrol on the fire.

CoodaShooda 11th May 2012 06:30

Worrals

I work in the construction industry. In my experience, those stories are contemporary and relevant.

Sorry.

Point three seems to be valid. Things changed when there was a swing to labor. :E

Buster Hyman 11th May 2012 06:39

In the interests of balance, I'll supply a positive Union story.

The FCU, or ASU as it became, was a sham & a joke. At Ansett, they couldn't bend over far enough for the company, so long as the trips to Hamilton Island for their "conference" were supplied by the company. Lyndsay Tanner, that guardian of Aviation professionals, came in to "sweep out the old guard", managed to get enough publicity for pre-selection & was then off! The TWU were the same until there was a change from their "old guard".

As a load controller, I had close dealings with the Ramp staff (TWU) at Ansett, and I knew the chap that became the shop steward. He was an English chap that had an intensity about him that could put you off were you to cross him. Eyes that would look you squarely in the eye without waivering or blinking. I had some decent & frank discussions with him about various issues but, at the end of the day, I wish he was my shop steward.

He was offered the usual trip to Hamilton Island & declined, unless they offered the trip to all the TWU members. He shunned any overtures from the company for incentives & bargained for his collegues in a way I'd never seen, but wished still existed.

When Ansett sought the use of part timers on the ramp, they negotiated with one of the weakest managers at the airport, and he was slaughtered. He achieved the company aim of getting part timers on the ramp, but he didn't realise the cost of the deal until it was too late. You see, my friend had argued that the Ramp staff relied on a certain amount of overtime & by bringing part timers in, they would lose that overtime. Long story short, the Ansett manager agreed to a guaranteed 10 hours of overtime per TWU staff member per week!

Three times Ansett took it to arbitration & on the third rejection, the Judge warned Ansett not to bring the matter before arbitration again.

The cynic in me, of course, will say that that's the sort of deal that killed Ansett off, and it was one of many (Job for life FE's anyone?) but it was negotiated in good faith by the Union, with Union members at the forefront of the negotiation, not some whitewash deal that saw individual shop stewards rewarded.

MattGray 11th May 2012 07:31


One doing the rounds.. Not sure the first example stands much scrutiny......
None of them do.

Especially Point Three with regard to certain Liberal homosexuals!

A collection of shallow sweeping generalizations which has been "doing the rounds" for yonks.

Readily found on the worst kind of Canadian and US right wing extremist and Christian fundamentalist sites.
Plus all too regularly in my personal Inbox from misguided acquaintances.

sisemen 11th May 2012 08:41

In the meantime.......

Alabanese :yuk: dragged up stuff from 35 years ago, yes, 35 years ago, about an undergraduate 'prank' by Tony Abbott to try and counter the effective onslaught that the Coalition are mounting against this bunch of shysters over the Slipper/Thomson debacle.

All it goes to show is that the government are hurting mightily from their misguided attempts to shield those two in exchange for their votes. And if that's the best that Albanese :yuk: can come up with then perhaps he'd be better off digging ditches rather than trying to pretend to be a government minister.

As someone has said just previously - it seems that the government are now falling back entirely on muckraking and personal attacks rather than good governance. It just shows up the paucity of ability in a government that the people of Australia just want gone.

And if what Andu has said comes out then they are on a hiding to nothing as it all comes back to bite 'em on the bum!

TWT 11th May 2012 09:02

As someone on here already mentioned,the Libs are certainly capable of 'snatching defeat from the jaws of victory':

Kroger attack rips open old Liberal wounds - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Worrals in the wilds 11th May 2012 10:20


I work in the construction industry. In my experience, those stories are contemporary and relevant.

Sorry.
Bugger. Some of these blokes need a kick in the arse and a lesson in Big Picture thinking. :(

Point three seems to be valid. Things changed when there was a swing to labor. :E
Rightly or wrongly, a rampant screaming queen once told me 'Sweetie, never trust a bisexual. They just don't know WTF they are, and they end up F-ing everybody in more ways than one'. :E
Maybe the same can be said of bi-politicals.

Andu 12th May 2012 02:33

Navy intercepts sixth boat in a week | thetelegraph.com.au



THE navy has intercepted another asylum-seeker boat off Christmas Island.

Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare said patrol boat HMAS Wollongong, operating under the control of Border Protection Command, intercepted the suspected irregular entry vessel west of Christmas Island on Friday.

He said initial indications suggested there were 84 passengers on board.

"Border Protection Command will now make arrangements for the passengers to be transferred to Christmas Island, where they will undergo initial security, health and identity checks and their reasons for travel will be established," he said in a statement.

The latest arrival follows the interception of another boat on Friday carrying 99 passengers and two crew.
---------------

Meanwhile...

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian


'I was set up' claims Thompson

POLITICAL enemies on numerous occasions set up Craig Thomson with fabricated records suggesting he engaged prostitutes, including making telephone calls from his mobile phone to escort agencies pretending to be him, using his drivers licence for authentication, and obtaining his two union credit cards to pay for the services, the Labor turned independent MP claims.

Mr Thomson this morning appeared on Channel Nine’s Weekend Today show to be interviewed by an incredulous Laurie Oakes, who asked him whether he really expected his fellow MPs to believe his story when he addresses Parliament later this month.
Given the record of this government in being utterly hopeless in virtually every attempt they have made to implement every policy initiative they have taken over the last four years, they obviously need to get that unknown HSU union official into their senior ranks PDQ, as he has displayed administrative skills well beyond just about every one of us in so successfully setting Craig Thompson up.

It's not every man who can organise, (whilst remaining totally below the radar, even,it would seem, Craig Thompson), driving up to the north coast, stealing BOTH of poor Craig's credit cards (his CBA card and his Diner's) and his mobile phone, impersonating Craig's voice well enough to fool the people he rang during the drive to make them believe it was Craig calling, make multiple purchases at Sydney escort agencies on multople nights, sign a more than passable Craig Thompson signature, note down his driver's licence number, then get said cards and phone back to Craig's place on the north coast on each of the next mornings before Craig missed them - and then waving a magic wand to make Craig overlook the errant entries on his credit card statements.

Whew!

Labor needs this bloke to run one - any one - of their policy programmes. Bugger Labor - GREECE needs this man to run their bail out programme! Bugger Greece - the EU needs him as president.

The former Mrs Thompson racked up a serious number of frequent flyer points on Craig's union credit card. Did Laurie Oakes ask him to explain that?

Worrals in the wilds 12th May 2012 02:38


It's not every man who can organise, (whilst remaining totally below the radar, even,it would seem, Craig Thompson),
And apart from all that, also looks enough like Craig Thomson to fool all the brothel receptionists when they did the face to license check. :suspect:

Labor needs this bloke to run one - any one - of their policy programmes. Bugger Labor - GREECE needs this man to run their bail out programme! Bugger Greece - the EU needs him as president.
ROFLMAO.

Andu 12th May 2012 08:42

There has to be at least one lady out there, (and quite possibly more), who knows... dare I use the term 'intimately'... whether or not Our Craig is telling porkies over the point that he's been 'totally set up' over the adult services charges on his credit card.

She or they might well have moved on to bigger and better things since 2005/6 - (finished her law degree, got a job with Slater & Gordon :) , maybe now happily married with a coupla rugrats, who knows?) - but all it would take is for one lady to come out and say (metaphorically, you understand), "the man I... umm 'escorted' - who had an incredible resemblance to CT - had a heart-shaped mole/tat on his left buttock" and our Craig (and therefore, Our Julia) is toast.

I wonder who the lucky Liberal staffer is whose job it is to troll the knock shops of Sydney looking for her? (And who's paying his credit card bills? :) )

parabellum 12th May 2012 08:43

My guess is that she has someone like Max Clifford advising her and will go public when the price is right.

Captain Sand Dune 12th May 2012 22:56

Gee, who'da thunk it.................

SENIOR Labor figures believe the Gillard government should cut ties with the Greens and call an early election if parliament becomes unworkable.
The internal debate comes as one of the union leaders who backed Julia Gillard for The Lodge, Australian Workers' Union boss Paul Howes, prepares to publicly urge the party to distance itself from the Greens.
The election option is being discussed by Labor strategists, unionists and MPs despite them conceding the party is not campaign-ready for a snap poll.
Speculation has mounted after the cash splash in the Budget that the Prime Minister has prepared an insurance plan if Labor is forced to the polls by a no-confidence motion or a by-election loss.
Billions of dollars will start flowing this week, with eligible families securing their first carbon tax compensation of a $110 lump sum from May 16.
Lump sum payments for pensioners will be deposited in bank accounts at the end of the month.
NSW Right figures have told The Sunday Telegraph there was a "real question" about whether the parliament would become so unworkable an election was the only option."Why do you put a dog down that could live in pain for another two years," one Labor figure commented.
The risk of an early election is one of the biggest arguments against a return to the leadership of Kevin Rudd, with senior cabinet ministers warning any move to dump Ms Gillard would likely result in a snap poll.
But some in Labor believe calling an election might not be such a bad plan rather than continuing to govern in defiance of angry voters with parliamentary support that hangs by a thread and the grace of mercurial independents.
Leadership speculation is set to flare again with Mr Rudd breaking his vow of public silence next Sunday with an appearance at the Sydney Writers' Festival where he will help launch the new book by independent Bob Katter.
Although the Prime Minister has repeatedly vowed her intention is to run a full term, the decision might not lie in Ms Gillard's hands if the independents force the government to the brink.
Mr Howes is preparing to launch a public call for Labor to resist the environmental movement and take a tougher line with the Greens at a speech at the National Press Club later this month.
This without a doubt the worst government in my living memory. Makes Goof & Co look good!

Andu 12th May 2012 23:32

You couldn't make this **** up.
 
'Robbed' Lib MP threatens to sue


LIBERAL MP Ken Ticehurst, who lost the seat of Dobell in 2007 to Labor's Craig Thomson, plans to sue Mr Thomson for lost earnings, claiming he was robbed of his seat, costing him a lifetime parliamentary pension of $85,000 a year.
Mr Ticehurst, who was outspent by Mr Thomson three dollars to one in the election, said Labor had ''defrauded'' the people of Dobell by allowing Mr Thomson to run.


Read more: 'Robbed' Lib MP threatens to sue
Please, somebody tell me this a Labor Party stitch up.

Meanwhile, Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun


EXCLUSIVE: BILL and Chloe Shorten have emerged from a rough-and-tumble fortnight in politics to speak out for the first time about their marriage and life in the sometimes ugly world of politics.

"I have a job I love, a family I love, it is a good place," the Gillard Government's Workplace Relations Minister - a politician considered a future Labor prime minister - told the Sunday Herald Sun.

david1300 13th May 2012 03:42

Well, the email rumor regarding Shorten is out there and circulating. Wonder if Chloe Bryce has also read it?

RJM 13th May 2012 09:17

How long will it be before Thomson has his 'day in court'? What's stopping at least one charge being got up on the present evidence and putting an end to Labor's self-preservational posturing?

Meanwhile, Gillard is objecting to journalists spending time on such issues.

But why have the issues arisen? You can trace a direct line from each sleazy 'issue' confronting parliament to Gillard's so called political tactics. The day Gillard acquired power, the rot set in.

The woman is bad news. Which is no news to anyone with eyes, ears and even half a brain.

Harrumph. :*

sisemen 13th May 2012 10:46


Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese has accused the coalition of peddling vicious rumours about Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten and his wife.
The issue is about what Shorten is alleged to have been up to - not his wife. And, whether the allegations are correct or not, unfortunately his wife is "collateral damage". And, as RJM has pointed out, that's what you get when you start the ball rolling in that direction.

Labor simply has what's coming to it. Even members of their own back-bench (and probably more than a few on the front bench) are now calling for a disconnect with the Greens and an early election.

And that's probably why the latest Neilsen poll has Tony Abbott at 50% as preferred Prime Minister and Incompetent Gillard on 42%.

Now what were the faithful few and dear departed saying about nobody liking or wanting Abbott? Apart from them it seems that virtually everyone in Australia, including the Parliamentary ALP, wants an end to this farce.

No doubt there will some that will post castigating me for continuing a rumour. Please, save your crocodile tears. They're wasted on me.

bob johns 13th May 2012 12:00

bob johns
 
Pauline Hanson and David Etteridge were GAOLED ( and subsequently aquitted ----charges quashed as WRONG ) and this unmitigated filth continues to infest our leadership (?) A pox on the lot of them.!ALP is dead for a generation and good riddance.


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