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Andu 21st Mar 2013 10:54

Just listened to Paul Murray's editorial at the beginning of his show on Sky tonight where he dumped on Kevin Rudd in no uncertain manner. For anyone who didn't hear it, it's well worth searching out.

I suspect it will become a YouTube hit - right up there with Rudd's ear wax moment.

galdian 21st Mar 2013 11:20

I appologise for slightly off track, view this topic with interest from overseas - work sometimes intervenes for periods of time so if has been addressed previously and I've missed it....further apologies.

When JG made the totally Australian non-conventional, unexpected "US presidential" announcement of a poll date some 8/9 months hence there was talk of whether that meant those in power could only caretake and not make substantial policy decisions/revisions.

Discussion as to when "governing" ceased, announcement but date non-specific (as per JG) or appearance before the GG to officially advise??

Update appreciated!

david1300 21st Mar 2013 11:24

Here's an off-the-wall thought. If he really is really out for Kevenge, he could resign from parliament before the budget and cause all sorts of havoc getting the budget passed. They are so dysfunctional that he would probably do it if he thinks of it.

RJM 21st Mar 2013 11:56

If Labor's incompetence continues, with Gillard specifically screwing up, there's a chance that any or all of Wilkie, Windsor and Oakeshott - who claim their agreements are with Gillard not Labor - could leave the cross benches and join the Opposition.

Gillard has already dudded Wilkie over the pokies, but Wilkie forgave her.

In Oakeshott's electorate of Lyne, Labor is well behind in the deliery of the fabled billion dollars worth of goodies for Lyne - the pieces of silver for which Oakeshott sold out the rest of Australia.

Here's a copy of the agreement Oakeshott and Gillard signed:

http://www.minister.regional.gov.au/..._Agreement.pdf

and here is a list of the promises Gillard made regarding the electorate of Lyne, which should morally at least form part of Oakeshott's pact with Gillard. Surely Gillard is in default on some of these, sufficient to induce Oakeshott to release Australia from the pain of Labor under Gillard. He can do it - along with the other independents (info from Oakeshott's office last year):


$1.8 billion for hospital upgrades exclusively in regional Australia: Round 1 complete;
63 hospitals approved. Round 2, valued at $500m, closed last month and is now being assessed

$500 million for higher and vocational education exclusively in regional Australia: Applications closed last week

$1 billion through the Regional Development Fund to finance infrastructure projects exclusively in regional Australia. $150 million round 1 included $19 million for airport upgrades at Taree, Port Macquarie and Kempsey. $200 million round 2 closes December 1

$1 billion brought forward for a dual north coast Pacific Highway by 2016, as well as $600 million – 100 per cent federally funded – Kempsey By-Pass and $35 million for preliminary work on the Kempsey to Port Macquarie upgrade

$30.3 million for council roads and bridges in the Manning and Gloucester areas

$20 million for a multi-partner university presence on the Mid-North Coast

$6 million for the Manning Education Centre

$30,000 for Old Bar Sand Replenishment Group’s study on offshore reef to mitigate heavy sand erosion at Old Bar

$2.47 million Taree Recreation Centre upgrade

$2 million Cattai wetlands restoration at Coopernook

$600,000 towards $930,000 Mid-North Coast Community Legal Centre servicing the entire electorate

$96 million to expand Port Macquarie Hospital – Largest ever federal fund injection for a local hospital in Lyne; need NSW Government to give priority status to Manning hospital upgrade to make the projects eligible for federal money through Health and Hospitals Fund.

$2.8 million for Port Macquarie Sports Stadium

$800,000 towards $1.6m Dementia Day Care Centre in Port Macquarie

$2.7 million Wauchope Bonny Hills Surf Club

$500,000 towards $1.4 million Lake Cathie Medical Centre

$4.8 million for second linear accelerator to treat cancer patients at North Coast Cancer Institute

$7 million for Port Macquarie GP Super Clinic

3 Jobs Expos at Taree and Port Macquarie. Saltwater Freshwater Festival for Taree.
Then there's always Craig Thomson. If he's convicted of a crime with a penalty of a year or more in prison, he's out of Parliament. His seat of Dobell is marginal, and would probably go to the Libs in a by-election.

So there are a few ways of getting rid of the Red Queen before Sept 14th. Let's hope one of them comes off.

If we have to wait until Sept 14, there will at least be the consolation of participating in the biggest arse-kicking in Australian political history.

7x7 21st Mar 2013 12:01

galdian, she sidestepped that little problem by saying that the caretaker mode would not kick in until she actually went to the GG and had the writs issued. Her advising the parliament and the electorate of the September date did not constitute an actual announcement, just advice.

Most commentators have said that the early announcement of long term date was to allow the Speaker fall back on tradition and delay any bye-election that might come 'unexpectedly' from out of left field (Slipper, Thomson) until the general election. This tradition stemmed from the days (pre Gillard) when the period the electorate 'knew' the election date was only a matter of weeks rather than seven months.

As she has done on more than one occasion, Gillard has stretched the bounds set by tradition and previous experience to an extreme degree. Many would go so far as to say she has trashed the office of Prime Minister by robbing it of any hint of honour or probity and dragged it down to the very gutter of the worst kind of political expediency and (to borrow a phrase from Labor) 'whatever it takes.

Andu has mentioned Paul Murray's diatribe about Kevin Rudd. Mark Latham's extended comments that followed that are even more noteworthy. He didn't hold back, and I'd say those comments will be widely commented upon in tomorrow's press - and if they're not, they should be.

RJM 21st Mar 2013 12:05

She's a slippery bitch - and I don't mean that nicely...

Deaf 21st Mar 2013 12:40


Does the same apply to a PM who is relegated to the back bench?
Yes - PM for 20 yrs or 1 day same benefit - look at Frank Forde PM for 8 days in 1945 and had the (much smaller) perks for 30 yrs.

Rudd gets no extra benefits for leading ALP to ruin (already has them) but could get a big ego trip (put his people in) in rebuilding after 14/9 or whatever.

Shorten/crean whoever get a big benefit from being PM for a day so expect instability as many mp's from 2007 worry about 2013 as without Juliar their chance for 3 terms is better.

Think about the polka dotted parasite who still is trying to claim her resignation from vic parliment in 92 was due to ill health despite immeadiatley getting a good feed from the ALP feds.

bnt 21st Mar 2013 13:28

A foreign lookie-loo like me has little chance of following events Dunnunda, but the BBC has a summary of what they call Australia's coup culture. It's helpful so far e.g. I forgot about Kevin Rudd.

Maybe this is normal politics - I don't know ...

sisemen 21st Mar 2013 13:50


If we have to wait until Sept 14, there will at least be the consolation of participating in the biggest arse-kicking in Australian political history.
176 days - and counting.

cavortingcheetah 21st Mar 2013 14:50

Major publicity coup for Gillard as she does this:

Julia Gillard apologises to Australian mothers for forced adoptions | World news | guardian.co.uk

In atonement for this:

BBC News - Australia PM Gillard sorry for 'shameful' forced adoptions

Sounds as though Australia was the place to be as a young man back then?

RJM 21st Mar 2013 19:40

Here's a revolutionary idea:

Why doesn't Labor run as a sensible, middle ground social democratic party and get a sensible, normal mainstream representative leader?

criticalmass 21st Mar 2013 20:03

Rudd didn't challenge. Gillard is still leader.

Nothing is resolved. Federal Labor is in the same mess it was 24 hours ago. The dysfunctionality and beatings will continue until morale improves.

Buster Hyman 21st Mar 2013 21:16

Richardson putting it all on Crean this morning. Apparently, KRudd wasn't going to challenge because he didn't have the numbers but Crean ran with it anyway. What a clusterf**k! :ugh:

Andu 21st Mar 2013 22:20

I don't agree that Gillard's victory has resolved anything. The next generation of leaders, as well as every backbencher in a risky seat who'd love to get that vital third term in, would love to see her gone, if preferably in some face-saving way (a medical emergency for poor Julia?).

I don't think I'm the only one who hopes the media commentators are 100% right this morning in asserting that this means Rudd is forever finished politically. He could complete his slash and burn of Gillard tomorrow by resigning his seat, but would he? I don't think a job in private enterprise, no matter how prestigious, would be enough for his ego. If he can't have the Prime Ministership, he wants Secretary General of the UN, and he's not going to get that second slot if he resigns from parliament.

I think his ego is such that, (like many in Labor today), he's still holding out hopes that Tony Abbott or one of his team will make some huge mistake that will revive Labor's chances of pulling off an unlikely win. Rudd, of course, is hoping for two miracles - an Abbott mistake and the Labar Pardee simply having to call again for his services.

Personally, I'd like to see him totally ignored and denied air time as of today by all the media, especially that cretin Koche on Channel 7's 'Sunrise'. Not that I ever watch it, but I understand that it was 'Sunrise' that should take much of the blame for Rudd's ascent in 2007.

500N 21st Mar 2013 22:29

"but I understand that it was 'Sunrise' that should take much of the blame for Rudd's ascent in 2007."


It was Sunrise who had Rudd and Abbott on every week
to discuss things so raised his profile substantially.

Edit
Replace Abbott with Hockey !!!

CoodaShooda 21st Mar 2013 22:32

It would have been more interesting had Crean challenged Gillard and given caucus a chance to vote. Or is that his strategy?

Take the high moral ground in trying to get the party to sort out its leadership issues. Destroy Rudd's credibility when he fails to take up the challenge. Retire to the backbench as a martyr to the good of the party and then, when the poor polling continues, challenge Gillard directly as the compromise candidate.

I so do love a conspiracy theory. :E

500N. It was Hockey who helped Rudd raise his national profile on Sunrise.

500N 21st Mar 2013 22:38

Cooda

" 500N. It was Hockey who helped Rudd raise his national profile on Sunrise."

:ok:


Yes, of course it was, god knows why I typed Abbott :ugh::ugh::ugh:

gupta 21st Mar 2013 22:44

Cooda


Take the high moral ground in trying to get the party to sort out its leadership issues. Destroy Rudd's credibility when he fails to take up the challenge. Retire to the backbench as a martyr to the good of the party and then, when the poor polling continues, challenge Gillard directly as the compromise candidate.
Mark the date of this prediction well, cause I think your crystal ball may actually be right in focus :D

CoodaShooda 21st Mar 2013 22:51

Gupta

We can only hope.
I wouldn't mind seeing a Crean/Ferguson ticket reclaim labor for its members.

Out of interest, what was the general reaction when Gillard claimed yesterday that she did not seek high office for herself but was doing it because Australia needed her (or words to that effect)?

Worrals in the wilds 21st Mar 2013 22:52

The Libs usually try and keep Abbott off the telly. ;)
Agree re Rudd; hopefully this has finally laid the Ghost Who Schemes for good. Lord knows why Crean and Co trusted him; they must have been desperate (and delusional).

Latham makes some good points in his own inimitable way. For all that he always comes across as a really sore loser. I'm guessing that Richo won't be asking him round for drinks anytime soon. :}

Mark Latham lashes Kevin Rudd

P.S. Cooda, I'd put five bucks on that...certainly worth a small punt!


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