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MTOW 27th Mar 2012 06:43

If there was ever any doubt in anyone's mind that Julia Gillard is totally out of touch with reality, she is pushing the line "who do you trust?" in her latest advertising campaign.

Talk about scoring an own goal!

Takan Inchovit 27th Mar 2012 06:46


Struth, even the Seneca1 I used to fly around in had more seats than Labor
Less seats means more baggage! :ok:

sisemen 27th Mar 2012 08:36


Talk about scoring an own goal!
It shouldn't really be a surprise. We have plenty of evidence of just how out of touch with reality the true believers are.

Personally I am pleased that the Federal mob are tracking on along exactly the same lines without deviation. It just makes the job of booting them out easier.

Worrals in the wilds 27th Mar 2012 10:32

Up there with this one...:}
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RJM 27th Mar 2012 11:00

Zorro mate:


And now unbelievably we have a Liberal right winger in Australia openly calling for violence to be visited upon our own elected Prime Minister to remove her.
That comment was apropos this quote: "As Richo said, people just wanted to get rid of Bligh. They want to get rid of Gillard as violently as possible."

Richo is definitely not a Liberal Right winger - he is a (semi) retired ex-minister in the Hawke and Keating Labor governments and a former General Secretary of the Australian Labor Party.

RJM 27th Mar 2012 14:55

Surely we should expect better than this from our highest representative.


She has travelled 10,000 kilometres to find Koreans asking the same questions that Australian voters are asking back home.

"Why do you think she didn't answer my question?", asked a law student, Yoon Hye In, after Ms Gillard's speech at Yonsei University yesterday afternoon.

Ms Gillard had stuck word-for-word to her script on "Australia and Korea, Partners and Friends" and Ms Yoon had asked her an on-topic question about racial discrimination faced by her relatives and friends in Australia.

Ms Gillard answered that "we do stand resolutely with you on security challenges", leaving the student bewildered, and a little upset.

Korean students are one of Australia's largest export markets, paying close to a billion dollars a year to Australian colleges and universities.

Ms Gillard's second question was from Ken Yun, head of the Korean arm of accounting firm KPMG.

Mr Yun's father in law founded the steel mill POSCO, which is a major investor in Australia and probably the single largest buyer of Australian exports, thanks to its hunger for Australian coal and iron ore. The current POSCO chief was sitting next to him, in the front row.

Mr Yun had asked Ms Gillard what she thought about the matter closest to his heart: the plight of 100,000 North Korean refugees who have crossed the border into China, many of whom are repatriated and shot.

He had expected Ms Gillard would have a view on one of the world's great refugee dilemmas, or at least shown some curiosity, given she had been talking about the impoverishment that has caused it.

Instead, Ms Gillard told him that Australia shares South Korea's concerns about security. Then she gave a long answer to another question that was not asked to explain that she had entered politics because of her values and beliefs.

"It was disappointing," said Mr Yun.


Read more: Gillard At Nuclear Summit In South Korea

sisemen 27th Mar 2012 15:19

Totally, totally out of her depth.

Krudd must be cringing.

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Buster Hyman 27th Mar 2012 22:41

Phew! That's a relief. I thought it was only certain people on this thread that could see all the 'non' answers that she & her ilk throw up. That makes it some of us here, the Speaker, and a couple of Koreans. I can sense a ground swell of reality beginning... :rolleyes:

MTOW 28th Mar 2012 00:08

Apart from her 'non answers', the way she 'non answers' those questions sets my teeth on edge. I know I'm not the first to mention this, but the woman can't (or won't) pronounce the letter 't' if it appears in mid-word. It's 'securidy', ciddies'... and any number of other examples that don't immediaDely come to mind.

AGGGHHHH!!!! She's not only massacring the future of this counDry(!), but the English language as well.

parabellum 28th Mar 2012 00:20

Ms Wong is pretty good at not answering the question that was asked, too.

Worrals in the wilds 28th Mar 2012 01:03

A competent pollie should be able to do it so subtly that no-one notices until later. Terry Mackenroth (Qld ALP) was an absolute master, both in interviews and in real life. He could give a speech, everyone would clap and about an hour later you'd think 'hang on, he didn't actually say anything.' :\

The Korean story sounds really amateur. Don't you just promise to have the Minister look into it and come up with something nice to say about Korean students being welcomed by the majority of Aussies (which I would hope was the case)? Wouldn't you have a stock speech about China's human rights record, because it frequently comes up? :confused: Neither question was wildly left of field.
Isn't that Sticky Question 101?

Buster Hyman 28th Mar 2012 01:43

I bet the excuse will be: "Mis-heard the question" :rolleyes:

prospector 28th Mar 2012 02:04

Some hard facts on China today.


China has 19% of the world’s population, but consumes
.... 53% of the world's cement
... 48% of the world's iron ore
... 47% of the world's coal
.... and the majority of just about every major commodity.
In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States.

New World Record: China made and sold 18 million vehicles in 2010.



There are more pigs in China than in the next 43 pork producing nations combined.



China currently has the world’s fastest train and the world’s largest high-speed rail network.



China is currently the number one producer in the world of wind and solar power.
But don’t use it themselves.



China currently controls more than 90% of the total global supply of rare earth elements.




In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th place to 2nd place
in the world in published scientific research articles.





China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on the entire globe.




At the end of March 2011, China accumulated US$3.04 trillion in foreign currency reserves
- the largest stockpile on the entire globe.




Chinese consume 50,000 cigarettes every second.
Not an enviable record though.

Also a lot smarter than us.
While they manufacture 80% of the worlds solar panels,
they install less than 5%.
And, build a new coal fired power station every week,
and in 1 year, turn on more new coal powered electricity than
Australia's total output!
Already the largest carbon dioxide emitter, output will rise 70% by 2020.
So, are you glad we're saving the planet?

Lex Talionis 28th Mar 2012 03:02

It's reasonably well known that the major cities (and that's a lot) in China are some of the largest sources of pollution in the world.

The question is what do we do about it?

Do we do nothing and let them go on their merry way or do we as most of the world now understands that we have a problem and try to reduce pollution?

I'm not saying a carbon tax or what the Australian Government is proposing is the best way about doing it but a number of countries are trying to come up with a fix.China shouldn't be left alone nor any country which is a major source of pollution.


Ms Wong is pretty good at not answering the question that was asked, too.
I thought that was a prerequisite for a politician of any party.

Apart from her 'non answers', the way she 'non answers' those questions sets my teeth on edge. I know I'm not the first to mention this, but the woman can't (or won't) pronounce the letter 't' if it appears in mid-word. It's 'securidy', ciddies'... and any number of other examples that don't immediaDely come to mind.
Shock horror and surprise that John Howard has a slight speech impediment however that did not influence the way in which I viewed him,his achievements and policies.Some I agreed with and some I did not but his speech impediment was something that I was never concerned with nor is it an issue with anyone that I meet who might have an accent or speech impediment.

Buster Hyman 28th Mar 2012 04:08


Do we do nothing and let them go on their merry way or do we as most of the world now understands that we have a problem and try to reduce pollution?
I'll park the argument about the validity of the "we have a problem" & address the "what do we do about it" if that's ok.

I certainly don't mind leading by example, but committing financial suicide by example is incomprehensible. Yes, we can certainly force industry to clean up its act (even if global warming is proved wrong, there's no harm in tidying up industry), but I don't agree with consumers funding it. I cannot understand why Industry isn't made to fund this and, if sweeteners are needed, drop the FTA's to countries that (a) we have them with that (b) are happily polluting their own backyards.

So, imported goods from China would carry a Carbon Tax because they are not committing to reducing emissions. Goods manufactured here, under improving/improved conditions will get a cost benefit against imported goods & perhaps some sort of tax reduction scheme for taking the initiative.... I dunno, just a thought off the top of my head.

(Reading about the 50% tax the thais were going to impose on Fords exported to Thailand, when they are enjoying a boost in exports to Oz for cars really ticked me off!) :mad:

bob johns 28th Mar 2012 04:46

bob johns
 
Ay Pinky! Seneca1, that just a Cherokee 6 with twice the chance of an engine failure?? And China a mate of mine has just came home from a business /holliday trip to China and his major concern about the place is that it is still a totalitarian communist state ,lousy human rights 400mil middle class and 800 mil in abject poverty and fuedal serfdom. He in an Aussie of Chinese lineage and is glad his folks got out of there when the did and he aint going back.

hellsbrink 28th Mar 2012 05:25


Do we do nothing and let them go on their merry way or do we as most of the world now understands that we have a problem and try to reduce pollution?
Then why not offer tax deductions/incentives to companies who do cut their pollution via "new tech" instead of taxing the crap out of everyone?

Lower taxes give businesses an incentive to stay and improve things, higher taxes drive them away. Guess what will happen with the "Carbon Tax"...........

Frank Arouet 28th Mar 2012 06:07

The Fiji Military has just seized the 46% Qantas ownership in Air Pacific. All air carriers are now under Fiji military control.

Wait for Bob Carr to declare war on Frank Bainimarama and Fiji. India may even take a side here.

One assumes we still contribute to Fiji's coffers with overseas aid?

Wait ultil the Red Queen gets her gander up.:ooh: Oh, and what's our Minister for things flying going to do? What will Bob Brown do?

heated ice detector 28th Mar 2012 06:15

Funny,
I listen to all the previous soap boxing and I still would not vote for the Libs.
Steps down of soap box!

Worrals in the wilds 28th Mar 2012 06:16


Then why not offer tax deductions/incentives to companies who do cut their pollution via "new tech" instead of taxing the crap out of everyone?
Australian governments seem to hate doing this, or encouraging any form of business initiative via tax breaks or incentives.

Through most of the nineties there wasn't a heck of a lot of water in Brisbane (then it all turned up at once :\). Premier Beattie decided to take a cheap swipe at Industry for sucking up all the water. He was beaten game/set/match by Incitec Pivot, who run a large ammonium sulphate manufacturing facility that was listed as one of the top guzzlers.

IPL pointed out in the press that five years before, they had approached the state government to co-fund a study with them into harvesting the steam their plant produces (it's the one east of the airport popularly known as The Cloud Factory :)) and using that in their production. They had some guy with a plan who believed that it could almost completely remove their need to use town water.

No prizes for guessing; the state government wasn't at all interested. Hasty backpedal from the Premier and the circus continued.


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