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Lex Talionis 23rd Mar 2012 07:26


Absolutely. Both sides are as bad as each other on this.
You won't get an argument from me on that Worrals.

State or Federal,Liberals or ALP or any party for that matter are the first to scream murder when the opposite party enacts legislation for a new or increased tax or levy but do they ever do anything about it.

For which you can blame the state (mostly) labor governments, who agreed to the repeals but failed to deliver.
Cooda,I think you'll find it is not only Labor that has the sole rights to breaking promises.

John Howard when opposition leader described the fringe benefits tax and capital gains tax as an unfair attack on the private sector.

He pledged to repeal them but never did.

Nor did he repeal the Petroleum Resource Rent Tax, preferring instead to collect $16 billion from it.

Abbott has a levy on business for his planned parental leave but says it's not a tax.

I would hazard a very safe bet that if the shoe was on the other foot the ALP would not repeal a tax that the Liberal party introduced either.

The other truly Bi-Partisan approach that we see is the agreement by politicians that they should get a pay rise.

If you were looking for a used car to buy from a private seller and when you arrived you found out it was a politician who was the seller I wouldn't buy it no matter what the price.

Buster Hyman 23rd Mar 2012 08:15

Okay, so clearly, whilst we have our own preferred sides of the political spectrum, we seem to have unanimous feelings about the politicians themselves. This is surely a milestone on the Oz politics thread!!! :ooh:


The other truly Bi-Partisan approach that we see is the agreement by politicians that they should get a pay rise.
:mad::mad::mad: Now you've started me! I need to take a blood pressure pill now...

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Mar 2012 08:32

You'd probably find the same consensus across the international hamster wheels, too. Earning massive salaries and taxing everyone to the outhouse are the two things pollies seem have in common the whole world over.

Speaking of being bi-partisan, someone once explained the concept to Queensland Country Life, but they're not interested, thanks. :E
http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2...=1332363567178

Fliegenmong 23rd Mar 2012 09:09

I really do hope that Katter the mad hatter does well....I'm afraid of people registering a green preference vote. Everywhere I go recently people have no coal seam gas stickers on their cars, worried about it fraccing the water table, so I guess they'd vote green, not knowing the man in the hats party proposes a 12 month moratorium on it..

I like the idea of ending Nanny state stuff

Lex Talionis 23rd Mar 2012 09:39

It seems as though Buster is right and for the first time in living memory we have a consensus that the majority (although there has to be one politician somewhere on the planet who is the exception but if so he/she has to be on the endangered list) of politicians are self serving,sanctimonious & avaricious and generally deceitful whilst appearing to be your best friend and have your interests at heart.

On another note of some interest as it also seems as though none of us has any liking for a greens candidate I happened to meet someone who openly admits to being a supporter of said party.

The part that I initially thought funny but on later consideration after seeing that he was serious realised that it explained a lot was the suggestion that chem trails and their purpose is a deliberate and indeed premeditated intention (by who it was never revealed) to alter the minds of the population not only of Australia but the whole world.

Trying very hard not to laugh I finished my drink and made an excuse to leave.

Buster Hyman 23rd Mar 2012 09:54

Okay, so we organise one of them Arab Uprising thingies & kick the lot of them out. Cool.

Remember, it started here... :ok:

Wholigan 23rd Mar 2012 09:54

You really shouldn't have laughed Lex. You know very well that you and I used to produce those chemtrails for the government! It's no good denying it now.

Frank Arouet 23rd Mar 2012 09:57

Obviously more CIA trickery afoot.:suspect:

24 hours from now and it's all over in QLD Folks.

To give Anna some credit, she did string the campaign out far enough for the 6 week break in Federal parliament to prevent repercussions on the floor. Very sneaky. :*

Takan Inchovit 23rd Mar 2012 11:02


I really do hope that Katter the mad hatter does well..
I think he will make his mark out West and up North, apparently Newman thought Bowen was north of Cairns. :hmm: A lot of lifestyles have been ruined by the incumbents/green way of doing things.

Abbott has said the carbon tax is the cause of backlash against labor, but there is more to it than that. BTW Does anyone in Queensland carry or use a pocket knife ?:suspect:

Fliegenmong 23rd Mar 2012 11:48

Quote " BTW Does anyone in Queensland carry or use a pocket knife "

Well, yes actually, 2 in the car, one I confiscated from Jnr Fliegs year back, and tiny one someone gave me years ago :8:O

I use the corkscrew to open bottles of wine after a days flying :cool:

Takan Inchovit 23rd Mar 2012 12:06

Hope you're voting for Bob then, otherwise it'll cost $79 for a licence in the not too distant future .... and only if you are a tradesman. :sad:

This is another example of how much of a nanny state we have become over the last 20 years, there must be clowns sitting in a government office somewhere thinking up new laws to justify their own existence.

Still haven't decided who to vote for, only who not to vote for.

Fliegenmong 23rd Mar 2012 12:11

The Ol' Katter is something of a nut case to many and me for a long time as well, but you know, with limited coverage, he's speaking to me, and he's speaking to others, and, I know the rest of the country think we're all Katters, there was a very intersting article in the Qmagazine Courier mail last weekend, I admired his statement as an independent during the federal election stand off, words to the effect of "I'm only here to best represent the interests of the people of kennedy", and well, you kinda beleive it, cos they keep voting him back in even after his split with the Nats back in 2001 (?)

I also recall a speech in parliament made by the man in the hat on the very day Rudd ws ousted, he spoke of teh ridiculous situation by wheres meas of quota, we're trucking milk from Southern QLD to Nth QLD, and vice versa.

I'd bet my left one that any 'green' who believed in the carbon emision BS, worth their word would be onto this.....but I hear nothing from them......and it's scary to think that my man in the hat knows ways to reduce emisions that don't involve taxes

Oh and as an aside, we receive heaps of junk mail, i don't really care, I chuck it in the bin if I can intercept it before Mrs Fliegs gets to it, otherwise she willl peruse it, and wait for ME to take it to the bin...but if sustainability and recycle and all that stuff is so important, how come junk mail has never been outlawed???? A massive waste of tree from what I can see...but I'm not 'green' so what would I know

Fliegenmong 23rd Mar 2012 12:44

Quote "Still haven't decided who to vote for, only who not to vote for."

Know how you feel Takan......:(

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Mar 2012 14:48


"I'm only here to best represent the interests of the people of Kennedy"
That's Katter. It's all about his seat. He's very good at protecting it and anything else is white noise. Katter's firstly (and lastly) a Katterist and secondly an agrarian socialist. Nothing wrong with the second point as a marginal issue, but not a POV you want dominating politics or we'll be back to tariffs, protectionism and Opium Perfume being banned because it encourages drug use.

I'd bet my left one that any 'green' who believed in the carbon emision BS, worth their word would be onto this.....but I hear nothing from them......and it's scary to think that my man in the hat knows ways to reduce emissions that don't involve taxes
Correct, because the Greens aren't remotely green (for a defined value of green as 'environmentally conscious'). They're nothing more than closet socialists who haven't the nerve to stand up and be honest about their beliefs. Sorry to bang on about the event, but they had nothing to say about the environmental damage wreaked by the Queensland floods, except that we 'deserved' it because Queensland has coal mines :ugh:.

Nothing about the crap that literally spewed out of the Oxley waste treatment plant due to the Liberal Council allegedly taking its maintenance budget and plonking it into the tunnel-digging budget, nothing about the DDT, paint thinners and worse that came washing out of the Rocklea Industrial Estate straight into the Bay due to a slack ALP State environmental regulator, nothing about the poor ol' turtles and dugongs living in said Bay who don't get a vote and had to put up with the sludge for months. Nothing except 'Queensland, you wont vote for us so you :mad:ing deserve it, cos you're Unenlightened.:ugh::ugh:'

Tomorrow I would rather see people vote Labor than Green. That's nothing against Drew Hutton who is regarded as a decent and well meaning (if misguided) bloke. It is against a party that offers nothing except negatives, blame and damnation; a party that is happy to jump on the 'poor widdle animals' bandwagon to secure votes from well-meaning koala lovers, while stealthily and covertly pushing an extreme left manisfesto.

They have milked the preferential vote system for years, wooing disgruntled Labor supporters with the line 'you can't vote for the Libs but we're okay', then taking that protest vote as a popular affirmation of their socialist point of view. In federal parliament they're running the line 'You kind of voted for us, so now we control the government', and the ALP is silly and/or desperate enough to play along with it.

We may be dumb up in Queensland, we may be rednecks; but we're not dumb enough to fall for the Greens' message of 'Repent Ye Sinners, the path to collectivism is clear'.
Anyone else who is? You deserve what you get.

Zorro Polilla 23rd Mar 2012 15:46


Tomorrow I would rather see people vote Labor than Green. That's nothing against Drew Hutton who is regarded as a decent and well meaning (if misguided) bloke. It is against a party that offers nothing except negatives, blame and damnation; a party that is happy to jump on the 'poor widdle animals' bandwagon to secure votes from well-meaning koala lovers, while stealthily and covertly pushing an extreme left manisfesto.

They have milked the preferential vote system for years, wooing disgruntled Labor supporters with the line 'you can't vote for the Libs but we're okay', then taking that protest vote as a popular affirmation of their socialist point of view. In federal parliament they're running the line 'You kind of voted for us, so now we control the government', and the ALP is silly and/or desperate enough to play along with it.

We may be dumb up in Queensland, we may be rednecks; but we're not dumb enough to fall for the Greens' message of 'Repent Ye Sinners, the path to collectivism is clear'.
Anyone else who is? You deserve what you get.
Huh :confused:

Sorry to prick your electioneering bubble Worrals but you seem to have conveniently forgotten that in the aftermath of the recent Federal election nobody, but nobody was keener, more "silly and/or desperate" to jump in the sack with those reviled Greens to form government than than the much loved, pure as the driven snow Liberal Party. :=

BandAide 23rd Mar 2012 19:54

I speak weekly with my Australian, conservative father-in-law, who has become one of my best friends. He is a resident of Innisfail, TNQ, and is absolutely giddy about seeing off Labor in Queensland.

But even more astounding was the conversation I had about 10 days ago with my gay brother-in-law, a business owner-operator and formerly Labor/Green reliable vote. He is livid with Labor today and wants Liberal government NOW. "How have I been so blind?" he said.

There is Hope.

Takan Inchovit 23rd Mar 2012 21:20

The greens are uncompromising poison to all other parties, it just depends who runs out of milk first (usually the voters).

thing 23rd Mar 2012 21:35


thing, prices in SEQ outside the Big Smoke aren't so bad. If you were retired and willing to do a bit of driving (say an hour to Brisbane) there are nice townlets around Gatton and Toowoomba with reasonably priced housing, often on relatively big blocks of land. Same to the north of Brisbane and the outskirts of Ipswich.
Funnily enough we are very fond of Toowoomba, was very sad to see it get clobbered by the floods (how the hell did that happen? It's on top of a bloody mountain..), and there's also a place up by the Wyvenhoe called Esk that we visit just for a stroll round and a tea and bun in the caff there. Son lives on Spring Mountain just south of Greenbank. Good RSL at Greenbank/Browns Plains.

I'll be out there on Aug 2nd to see the new grandaughter, what's the score on renting an a/c? I've contacted Archerfield but have had no reply. I have a JAR PPL with IMC and night rating. Is it a quick flip around with an instructor or would I have to do an 'Oz' PPL conversion?

tinpis 23rd Mar 2012 23:00

They have corks in bottled wine in Q-land ? :hmm: http://www.pprune.org/7096781-post391.html

Frank Arouet 24th Mar 2012 00:37


nobody, but nobody was keener, more "silly and/or desperate" to jump in the sack with those reviled Greens to form government than than the much loved, pure as the driven snow Liberal Party.
From memory The Liberal/ Nats negotiated with the greens and Independants to form a government.

Labor did closed door secret deals to form a co-alition of turncoat Independants and watermelons.

And look where we are now.:mad:


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