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Fliegenmong 7th Jan 2013 20:41

Makes you wonder how far the red witch bent over to get their support AND the watermelons...

Yeah!, Good point.....just a teensy weensy bit more I guess.... :p

Andu 7th Jan 2013 21:07

It's not an appealing image, is it?

sisemen 7th Jan 2013 22:51

We are on 45 - 47C today here in the west. Fortunately, very fortunately we don't have the same forecast wind strengths. It's 0800 and we already have 33C! Fully expect a call-out at some time today and it's not going to be pretty.

Worrals in the wilds 7th Jan 2013 23:37

Croozin, about all I heard was that he was a Problem, and a lot of sniggering when he changed allegiance to the effect of 'now he's all yours :E'. I didn't hear much in the way of specifics apart from the sexual preference that is now in the public arena and innuendo that he was a bit of a greaseball.

In fairness it's quite common to hear rumours about pollies' personal habits, and they're not always correct.

Private Partz 8th Jan 2013 00:09

Never forget the Mad monk said to the independents "I'll do anything for your support",
Yeah sure.... this gem came from the mouth of one Tony Windsor, well known for his unbridled hatred for the LNP. For those that didn't know or have (conveniently) forgotten, Windsor was elected by a largely conservative electorate, then promptly abandoned them to support the ALP minority government. He's the one that said the ALP would do a better job than the LNP. If anyone had "sold their arse" I would put my money on Windsor. I would suspect he's been bought off by more that just a few prioritized projects for his electorate.

So far the ALP have done a far better job of breaking faith with the electorate at large, ruining our economy and protecting criminals to name just a few of their dubious "achievements".

Croozin 8th Jan 2013 02:56

You couldn't make this up
Photos Of Asylum Seekers On Manus Island

Tablet computers for asylum seekers on Manus Island have had their camera functions removed days after Fairfax Media published photographs of life in the island's camp.
The photographs, which were sent from the camp to the mainland without the knowledge of the Department of Immigration, showed conditions there are very basic.
They're given tablet computers? Give me strength!

And people wonder why they continue to come here in droves? How many boats have arrived since Jan 1st? I've heard of only two in the MSM. I'd be betting there have been more.

Fubaar 8th Jan 2013 04:08

They're given tablet computers?
You start to see why each boat that arrives costs the taxpayer, on average, 12.8 million dollars.

prospector 8th Jan 2013 06:21

They're given tablet computers?

And which of the pollies has friends in the supply of tablet computers? I do not know, but I am sure if one dug deep enough one would find out a link somewhere.

Fliegenmong 8th Jan 2013 09:05

" Tony Windsor, well known for his unbridled hatred for the LNP. For those that didn't know or have (conveniently) forgotten, Windsor was elected by a largely conservative electorate,"

The largely conservative electorate seemed not to know of his unbridled hatred of the LNP....why did they not vote for the LNP candidate, rather than the independent Windsor? :confused:

"I would suspect he's been bought off by more that just a few prioritized projects for his electorate."

So a win for his constituents then? :hmm: You say it like it's a bad thing :p

Captain Sand Dune 8th Jan 2013 09:10

why did they not vote for the LNP candidate, rather than the independent Windsor?
My Mrs voted for the LNP candidate while I "knew better" and voted for Windsor.................bugga............:sad:

Worrals in the wilds 8th Jan 2013 09:48

We all learn. :O:}
So out of interest, what's the mood in the electorate? Yay for Tone or lynch mobs at the ready?

I've heard that come the next election, the good people of Port Macquarie are waiting for the Honourable Mr Oakeshott with a tame shark and some chum in case the shark gets distracted, but that's only what I've heard.

What's the vibe in New England?

Fliegenmong 8th Jan 2013 09:52

Clearly Mr Abbott thinks we're all utterly daft!! :mad:

Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott pledges $1b to Gateway Motorway upgrade and no extra toll point | The Courier-Mail

"Oops sorry, in a worse situation than we thought, can't do it"......how come the compliant 'MSM' don't ask him how he intends to pay for this infrastructure if the Country is so broke? And without new tolls?? :hmm: C'mon!! For sure it is not a 'gospel truth'..... a lie in other words........maybe add it to that 10 Billion black hole from last election??? :hmm: :D

Andu 8th Jan 2013 10:05

Where's your outrage over all of the many unfunded Labor promises, Fliegs? NDIS, NBN to name just two.

Being just a teesh selective, aren't we?

One area I do share your outrage is Tony Abbott's imbecilic "full pay whatever that pay is maternity leave" promise. I for one am hoping that that's one of his "non gospel" promises.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Jan 2013 10:10

Let the 'promises' begin! :E
I get frequently outraged. It's one of my nicer traits :}. However, Fleig's valid point is that both sides will be rolling out the cheque book for every two bob cause in the country if they think it will score them votes. Labor aren't alone in this.

EDIT: I'm in the inner city tonight up north, but I smell bushfire...:ooh: They're getting closer. They've already gotten too close to too many people in Tassie, NSW and Victoria, which makes all the political bickering a bit irrelevant.

Never mind the political BS because it is mostly BS, much as we enjoy tussling about it; never mind the media and all their crap.

Watch out for yourselves and may there be rain, lots of it.

Fliegenmong 8th Jan 2013 10:35

Andy, indeed I'm being selective! Just trying to bring some balance to the thread really!.....The Newman performance here in QLD has been utterly woeful, and if it is anything to go by at a Federal level....the nepotism, lies, deception....disgrace

Though you would have to agree, 'pledging' 1 Billion on (admittedly necessary) infrastructure, without tolls, is well.....:rolleyes: A non core, non gospel truth

I see a lot of charitable community causes I would like to get involved with....rural fire fighting, meals on wheels etc etc. But I cannot because I am at work everyday, slaving my ar$e off to fund such ridiculous initiatives such as tablet computers to queue jumpers (FFS I don't even have a tablet computer!!!) but the trouble is.....the opposition does nothing to warrant my support....nothing!

I know work-no-choices will come around again, in another guise, the 'scrapping' of which again will be another non gospel truth, how stupid does Abbott think I am?

While we're on the work-no-choices subject, I note some here find it convenient to dismiss it as "Here we go again Work Choices Blah Blah". Except it wasn't 'Blah Blah' for those who had devoted so much for so long to companies that couldn't screw them over fast enough!

The Congo line of Suckholes, as Latham so inelegantly put it, remain in the LNP, and fail to present to me a viable alternative (Or any viable or believable policy)

Doesn't mean I'm supporting the red bogan, just not such a blinkered ideologue to observe the bigger picture, and how it will impact on my family :ok:

Bon Giorno 8th Jan 2013 12:12

Never forget the Mad monk said to the independents "I'll do anything for your support"

Makes you wonder how far the red witch bent over to get their support AND the watermelons...
In reality Buster Gillard offered them less than Abbott.

She was the superior negotiator.

End of.

Bon Giorno 8th Jan 2013 12:21

I guess a lousy 50 grand from N. Toxin wasn't enough to make this one go away either.
Since the Commonwealth settlement of $50,000 to Master Ashby (if that is what I can glean from the above) had nothing whatsoever to to with Slipper's current Cabcharges predicament I fail to see your point Clare Prop. :confused:

Bon Giorno 8th Jan 2013 13:26

The Tories campaign to reverse the perception among the female electorate that Abbott is nothing but an extreme conservative Catholic misogynist is now in full swing beginning with Peta's puff pieces. They were however strangely understated on her intimate connection to the Liberal's very own faceless men.

Where else but in the Liberals very own house magazines thoughfully provided on a daily basis at great personal loss by the man declared unfit to run a public company.

Peta who?

Remember back to late 2011, when Peta Credlin's name started to leak through the barrier that separates what the Canberra insiders know, from what the rest of us know? Peta Credlin is Chief of Staff to the Leader of the Opposition, a position not usually profiled in major national publications or Sunday papers. Then again, most political chiefs of staff aren't six foot tall "Glamazons", married to a Liberal equivalent of a “faceless man”.

Peta Credlin is interesting. She's the female gatekeeper to a man who faces a seemingly unbreakable perception problem with female voters. Ms Credlin, who also staffed former Opposition Leaders Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull, inhabits her position with personal determination, and with the support of her well-placed husband Brian Loughnane, Federal Director of the Liberal Party.

While Mr Loughnane has remained relatively invisible outside the dome that separates us from them, Ms Credlin has emerged, crossing from behind the scenes to front page news and minor celebrity. In November 2011, News Limited's weekend colour supplement ran a feature on Ms Credlin. She refused to be interviewed for the story, but let it be known with the Liberal Party that the story was "on". Prominent members of the opposition phoned the journalist Kate Legge to supply exceptional personal references no-one had asked for. Ms Legge concluded that:

"If Abbott stumbles, Credlin will suffer some collateral damage. While his numbers are sweet, she's rock solid. If he goes on to win, her name is on the chief of staff's door. If not, she may pursue political dreams of her own. She once sought the counsel of senior Liberals on a Senate spot. They think she'd be stunning."

Twelve months later, Abbott has stumbled and it may well be due to Ms Credlin’s campaign strategy; his relentless campaign of fear around the carbon tax has failed. His consistent negativity and absence of genuine policy have become noticeable, and his team seem to think that his best chance of reversing the trend is to appeal to women voters.
Yesterday’s News Limited papers feature a new, very personal interview with Ms Credlin conducted by respected political journo Samantha Maiden. Ms Credlin was interviewed at some length on Tony Abbott's supportive response to her attempts to fall pregnant using IVF. The story goes beyond hinting at a gentle, compassionate Tony Abbott.

Australian voters looked up from their Sunday brunches, took another sip of coffee and blinked away the dissonance. Surely this paragon of fairness and approachability that Ms Credlin describes, this generous supporter of Secret Female Stuff, is not the same man who parades his wife and daughters across News Limited's front pages to prove that he and The Women get on just fine?

Yes, it is Tony Abbott all right, Mad Monk and Life Member of the Boys' Club, who has cleared the Shandy Premix out of his personal bar fridge to make way for his Chief of Staff's hormones. It's a generous and discreet gesture in a series of generous, discreet gestures from Tony Abbott.

But no – don’t stop reading, at least, don’t stop reading without taking a few more moments to ponder why in the name of everything holy Ms Credlin would reveal these details. Why would any woman trumpet the whole thing across the national tabloids if not to enhance Tony Abbott's reputation with The Women?

Mr Abbott’s personal approval numbers have fallen below Julia Gillard's, and while the Coalition has plenty of fat left in their 2PP lead, the tumbling trend must be of concern to the Liberal Party, it’s leader Brian Loughnane, and Mr Abbott’s staff, led by Ms Credlin.

Regardless of how high the stakes might be, how many people of either gender would agree to reveal their personal reproductive details to the media to support their boss?

And how much personal discomfort is there now for Ms Credlin - and Mr Loughnane - versus how much 'upside' for the Abbott campaign for the Lodge? Babies are lovely, yet reproduction, particularly assisted reproduction, is private. If Ms Credlin had wanted to discuss her experience as a female executive undergoing IVF, she could have done that in any number of newspapers, magazines and blogs. That Samantha Maiden – a specialist political journalist – wrote the piece is an indication of its purpose.

Just for laughs, let’s remove the personalities and the political context and see what happened: A senior executive with a high profile offered some support to a trusted advisor who confided that she had some special, discreet needs due to a medical situation. He treated her situation with respect and sensitivity…just as my boss would do, and has done. I'd like to think that most bosses at that level would do the same.

Now, let’s remove the emotion: By assisting Ms Credlin to undergo her IVF treatments in private, Mr Abbott ensured that he would not lose her services. Her other option was to take leave during the IVF process, which often lasts for months. Mr Abbott chose the option that best suited his needs as well as hers.

And who thought this story would be a good idea? Which communications professional thought that this story would soften Mr Abbott's image? It has very little relevance to Mr Abbott's unpopularity with women. IVF, pregnancy and babies are not exclusively "women's issues". Mr Abbott himself has referred to it as being about families, and it is, although in 2005, while he was Health Minister in the Howard Government, he advocated cutting government funding for IVF treatment:

TONY ABBOTT: Well, first, I'm not going to comment on pre-Budget speculation but I just do make the point that in any one year, 90 per cent of the women who are accessing IVF have three or fewer cycles.

The other point I make is that IVF treatment is not – it's very important obviously – but it's not life saving treatment. There is a sense in which it is an elective procedure and there has to some limit, speaking hypothetically, on what the Government is prepared to spend on things which are non-essential.

ALEXANDRA KIRK: Why does there have to be some limit?

TONY ABBOTT: Well, because if non-essential treatment is funded endlessly, medical costs blow out endlessly and responsible governments have to try to ensure that we give good value to tax payers as well as good value to patients.

So, what have we learned about Tony Abbott as a result of Ms Credlin's IVF story? He can be a caring boss who knows what's good for him. That's probably not going to impact the hundreds of thousands of women who are still concerned about Mr Abbott’s views on abortion, his reputation for misogynistic behaviour or his links with WorkChoices.

Whether the Samantha Maiden interview was Ms Credlin’s idea, or came from elsewhere, the decision itself should be examined by the Liberal Party. This interview is no more likely to improve Mr Abbott’s standing with The Women than the countless more photos with Margie and the girls would. If the Liberals are serious about addressing the problem with women, they should stop trying to appeal to women, and release some policies that appeal to voters.

Meanwhile, I wonder who is feeling like the bigger sellout after this interview went to print: Samantha Maiden, for disguising a genuine human interest story to write pro-Abbott propaganda, or Peta Credlin, for exposing her private struggles with IVF in a misguided attempt to promote her boss’s sensitive side.

This was followed up by a similar tearjerker from Pyne.

Newsflash - the ABC will be crossing later to bring you a live insider interview with the Parliament House cleaning ladies glowing reports on the LOTO's deep consideration for women by putting the toilet seat down. :yuk:

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Clare Prop 8th Jan 2013 14:09

OK BG I challenge you to prove you are not the very same poster who has departed this thread prviously whose style included a complete inability to answer questions, a very common ALP trait.

So answer me these and prove you are someone else.

Is there any member of the current government who would know one end of a fire hose from the other or do they just see bushfires as photo ops?

Did Nicola Roxon give James Ashby 50 grand of our money and if so why?

Can you justify the handouts given to irregular maritime arrivals compared to the help taxpayers who have lost everythiing in bush fires over the last few years get?

Re volunteering:
I had a look at the Emily's List site today and saw they had a section on volunteering. Ah good-o maybe they are not just a bunch of opportunistic wannabee commies and care about the community, thought I. But no, it was volunteering to raise money for...Emily's List people to get elected. A slush fund? :mad:

sisemen 8th Jan 2013 15:14

She was the superior negotiator.
In view of the reality of the situation I think it proves that Bob Brown was the superior one. One could actually question his sexual orientation given that he f**ked Gillard over. :E

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