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sisemen 3rd Jan 2013 03:35

I'll put my hand up for compulsory voting any day of the week. I've seen at first hand how voluntary voting allows the vested interests in on the back of apathy. :yuk:

However........I reckon that there should be some sort of test on enrolment and retested every 10 years to ensure that you are in possession of enough brain power to responsibly exercise your right to vote.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Jan 2013 05:48

Captain, I think that for this election people would be still turning up in droves to vote even if each polling station had a cover charge and you had to battle a pack of starving Alsatians to get in the door, but it's the 'average' elections that bother me. The last Brisbane City Council election had terrible voter turnout numbers, so bad they didn't even publicise them very much :uhoh:. Voting in council elections is still complusory, but even that didn't make a lot of people drag their sorry arses to a booth. No doubt all those people are now complaining about rates and the quality of their garbage collection service. :bored:

This contrasts with the years where there's a high turn out due to a contentious issue or everyone wanting to chuck the Lord Mayor out because they're being a prat, but it's the quiet years where Loopy Minority groups can get a foot in the door. :suspect: It's a question of numbers; are there more thinking voters than fruit loops? Of course there may be more thinkers, but I still see it as a big punt to take when we have such a small population.


Other places ran out of ballot papers, the turnout was so much higher than expected.
Fair point Clare, I didn't realise they'd had such a big turnout.
Having now read the article on the Qld government's election review discussion, the only thing I agreed with was outlawing how to vote cards; they're a massive waste of money, paper, time and voter sanity. :mad: The rest of it seems to be their usual 'Weekend at Bernies remake starring Sir Joh as Bernie' stuff. :rolleyes:

At least you're not being run by a fundamentalist Christian ex-teacher, supported by an asocial quantity surveyor to crunch the dollars, Worrals.
Here's a plan :8. Let's organize a Qld / NT parliamentary conference on the border somewhere nice and remote (let's say Poeppel Corner) and then bugger off and leave them all there :cool:. Maybe they'd develop a Mad Max style society...:}

Andu 3rd Jan 2013 06:16

I start at the bottom, putting the Watermelons in the very last box, then work my way up from there. I still find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ in double digits still votes for them - but incredibly, around 10% of the electorate, what's that? - somewhere between 500,000 and 700,000 voters? - do. Or did.

I heard on Sydney radio this morning calls for an electronic data base to stop double voting. You could be forgiven for thinking the Sydney shock jocks have been reading this thread.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Jan 2013 06:40


I still find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ in double digits still votes for them - but incredibly, around 10% of the electorate, what's that? - somewhere between 500,000 and 700,000 voters? - do.
TBQH, so do I. However, there's a type of leftie who votes Green in the mistaken belief that they mean what they say. I know two women who vote Green fairly well and neither of them are stupid in the low IQ sense (both successful professionals, albiet in arts industries). However, they're both 'sunshine/lollipop' types who believe the world would be nice if everyone was nice.

They're both genuinely nice themselves and I don't think they see the duality of the Greens' manifesto. They just feel that if everyone paid their dues, grew their own veggies and was kind to animals and each other then there wouldn't be any wars, criminals or bad stuff. To me, they represent the quintessential urban Green voter. They all loved Bob, so whether the party retains support now he's off the scene remains to be seen.

If everyone was as nice as them they'd probably be correct and Socialism would actually work; but as all us hardened cynics know, the first thing that happens under Socialism is that all the sunshine/lollipop types get massacred by the power at any price types :eek:.

P.S. One of them bred a son who dreamed of going into the Army but then ended up working in mining/construction. Karma is karma, baby...:E

1DC 3rd Jan 2013 09:19

My Oz daughter voted green because she said Jools was a crook and Abbott was an idiot and the greens were all that was left. I don't know if she has changed her mind for next time.

Andu 3rd Jan 2013 09:46

There'd be quite a few of us who'd like to know if your daughter admits now to having made, politically speaking at least, the biggest mistake of her life, 1DC. If she feels so strongly about the two major parties, "None of the Above" (an informal vote) would probably be more appropriate.

I suspect there'll be quite a few of those whenever the election comes around this year.

1DC 3rd Jan 2013 10:24

I'll ask her and let you know..........

Clare Prop 3rd Jan 2013 10:53

Ppruners' daughters excepted:


Fliegenmong 3rd Jan 2013 10:59

Why Oh Why does the 'puter [email protected]*k up and delete 1/2 hour worth of typing?

Anyways...........to condense it

Give me a reason to vote for a pardee that wants to screw me down to a bowl of rice a day, as a hardworking , honest, born and bred Australian Family man and tax payer, receiving no benefit from the current bunch of clowns, and also having received no benefit from howards gravy train of middle class welfare, of which my hard earned helped subsidise......

NONE!..NONE!!!.........I beget nothing from the current clowns, and know for a fact, (Even without any policy release), that I'll be worse off under a coalition....Gospel Truths Anyone????.....though to be fair.....no one in the so called 'Main stream Media' has actually pressed abbott about anything......methinks the 'MSM' knows what is good for them :hmm::rolleyes:

mgahan 3rd Jan 2013 11:12

SEVEN VOTES - IN THE WET
 
Rather than dropping the compulsory vote, why not use the 7 vote system proposed in Neville Shute's "In the Wet".

If you have not read the book, give it a look - amazing story written in 1956 predicting the issues with the Royals in the past two decades.

But, back on track, additional votes for travel, education, family etc make sense to me and would get rid of the lowest common denominator results we now see.

MJG

sisemen 3rd Jan 2013 11:50

I see that McTernan has finally got his mitigation strategy for Macklin's gaffe worked out.

Obviously the immediate "car engine noise made it inaudible" was spotted for the pile of steaming bull shit that it was and we're now being asked to believe that "dear old Jenny is actually one of those few in Cabinet pushing for an increase in the dole".

I reckon that the ALP must believe that we all, collectively, came off the last boat (probably an intended pun but I'm getting too cross with this lot to summon up too much humour).

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Jan 2013 11:55

I think it's more that some of their advisors and media dweebs actually did come off the last boat. The initial comment and subsequent follow up have been incredibly clumsy.

Bon Giorno 3rd Jan 2013 12:20


I start at the bottom, putting the Watermelons in the very last box, then work my way up from there. I still find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ in double digits still votes for them - but incredibly, around 10% of the electorate, what's that? - somewhere between 500,000 and 700,000 voters? - do. Or did.
The latest Newspoll speaks volumes about Victorian voters mentality then. Greens are up 3%.


"Newspoll’s November-December poll of state voting intention in Victoria has Labor maintaining its commanding 55-45 lead from September-October, from primary votes of 36% for the Coalition (down one), 38% for Labor (down three) and 16% for the Greens (up three, the best piece of polling news for the party in some time)."
The political activist Greens and Katter parties which will have near 100% turnouts must be chortling with glee at the prospect of the brilliant Can Do Newman plan up in Qld to make voting optional.

With Newman himself about as popular as the Christmas lunch prawn shells this week he's an absolute goner in Ashgrove next time around anyway.

Like Abbott Federally after the final week of parliament he's a spent force.

SOPS 3rd Jan 2013 14:49

There was over 22000 jobs lost in Victoria during 2012, and Labor still has a big leed I don't get it.

cuefaye 3rd Jan 2013 20:24

I had the great good fortune to live and work in Canberra from 96 -00 (no jokes please). I thought then that politics in Oz were very refreshing compared to UK (and still do). I'd also been there for a year in 1982: things had moved on from Bob! I thought Howard was one of the nicest pollies that I'd ever encountered - and I also met many of his colleagues on the 'hill' and opposites alike. A nice man. I didn't know Costello - seemed a little arrogant, but also very competent? Along came Beazley, and from then on it all seems to have gone downhill. And now! How sad: a fuzz-loving lass from Wales, with a mile-wide mouth, a decent brain, and a public-speaking ability; but absolutely no intellect or sense, charm, and an appalling accent. Zitch.

Good Luck.

PS: You lot go to bed early

Fubaar 3rd Jan 2013 21:33


With Newman himself about as popular as the Christmas lunch prawn shells this week he's an absolute goner in Ashgrove next time around anyway.
I'd have to agree with that comment. Newman displayed an incredible lack of political nous in selecting an unsafe seat for his entry to parliament, particularly considering that he knew he would need to enact some very painful policies to put things right after all those years of Labor misrule.

Fubaar 3rd Jan 2013 21:38

Of all the descriptors of Julia Gillard available in the word-rich English language, "lass" comes about as close to the "not suitable" end of that list as you get. Probably one short of "lady".

sisemen 3rd Jan 2013 23:44

In the vast ocean of ALP despair and incompetence there must be a lonely straw. Clutch it Bon Giorno old chap, clutch it!

CoodaShooda 4th Jan 2013 00:12

Silly question of the day.

If we can't trust anything else that labor says, why does the electorate accept what they say about AbbottAbbottAbbott?

I know I've never been a fan (labor followers can refer to my 2007 comments here after his appointment to the opposition front bench, once they've stopped choking on their weeties).

But I've been trying to remember why I'm not a fan and all I can bring to mind is labor/compliant media spin, which doesn't stand up to scrutiny. :confused:

Worrals in the wilds 4th Jan 2013 00:13


There was over 22000 jobs lost in Victoria during 2012, and Labor still has a big leed I don't get it.
By and large Victorians are a bunch of lefties. Always have been, always will be.

NSW and Qld aren't quite so pretty for the ALP/Greens, although they're higher than where they were at the last state elections.
Essential Research: NSW, Victoria and Queensland state polls | The Poll Bludger


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