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sisemen 29th Dec 2012 14:43

The "world's best treasurer" has popped up to give the Americans his very useful advice on their current financial problems.

Apparently, even though Obummer has been in power for 4 years it's not his fault - it's all the fault of the "Tea Party". You know, the small right wing section of the Republican Party that appear to have immense influence on how Obummer runs the country.

This is probably a foretaste of what we can expect in the run up to the election. It's not Labor's fault that we are in such a financial mess; it's not the profligate spending by Gillard and Krudd it's obviously down to the nasty Coalition for talking the country down.

And do you know what really hurts? We, the taxpayer, are shelling out good money for this turkey.

Captain Sand Dune 30th Dec 2012 19:11

AUSTRALIA'S Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohamed has met with the hierarchy of Hamas, the Palestinian party listed by the Gillard government as a terrorist organisation.
Last week Dr Mohamed led an Australian delegation of Muslim scholars to the Gaza Strip, where they met Hamas senior political leader Ismail Haniyeh.
Mr Haniyeh, who has been pushing for the US and the EU to remove Hamas from its terrorist watchlist, last year described former al-Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden as "a Muslim and Arabic warrior" while condemning the US for killing the terrorist leader.
Dr Mohamed, who has been styled as a moderate since taking the top Australian Muslim post, last week expressed his happiness at being in Gaza, describing it as the land of pride and martyrdom.
"I am pleased to stand on the land of jihad to learn from its sons and I have the honour to be among the people of Gaza where the weakness always becomes strength, the few becomes many and the humiliation turns into pride," he told local news agencies.
"We came here in order to learn from Gaza. As I said in my speech, we will make the stones, trees, and people of Gaza talk, in order to learn steadfastness, sacrifice, and the defence of one's rights from them.
"We feel like we are on cloud nine. We feel like we are on top of the world." Images of the visit were shown on local TV and hailed as a PR coup by Hamas, the fanatical ruling party in Gaza.
Attempts to contact Dr Mohamed, who has insisted radical Muslim extremists in Australia need to be corrected, were unsuccessful.
According to the Department of Foreign Affairs, Australia has listed Hamas as a terrorist entity subject to financial sanctions since 2001.
The military wing of Hamas is also listed as a terrorist organisation under the Criminal Code Act 1995.
In July 2009, Prime Minister Julia Gillard, then deputy prime minister, said: "Hamas obviously is a terrorist organisation that has been engaged in violent actions against the Israeli people."
Ms Gillard was unavailable to comment.
Foreign Minister Bob Carr said through a spokesman that the trip had nothing to do with the government.
"It's up to them to explain their own views and travel plans," the spokesman said.
"We have no diplomatic engagement with Hamas."
Last week's delegation, described by the media as one of several "delegations of solidarity", also visited the Ministry of Islamic Endowments and met with religious scholars and sheikhs.
Anyone like to explain why non-Muslim Australia should not be concerned by this unabashed association of a "moderate" (albeit self-styled) Muslim leader with a recognised terrorist group? I sincerely hope ASIO and/or the Federal Police take more than a passing interest in Dr Mohamed's activities when he returns from "the land of pride and martyrdom".

dat581 30th Dec 2012 22:02

I would be great if he isn't a citizen so re entry into Australia can now be barred on character grounds.

Andu 31st Dec 2012 04:28

I would like to see more services for remote Australians, regardless of race. Many of the issues touted as indigenous issues are actually remote issues; healthcare, education, employment and things to do being four of them. Whether whitefella or blackfella, people living in towns like Thagomindah or Cooktown have real trouble accessing basic services city people take for granted. If we as a nation want these towns to continue (and if we want to keep buying local beef, fish and sugar) we should be prepared to accept that basic services in remote areas cost money to run, and we should pay for them. Our reward? Fresh fruit and vegetables, and the Outback. What's Australia without the outback?
I would have to agree with you 100% on those comments, WitW. Such measures used to exist (fuel/transport subsidies, bonded school teachers and doctors who were sent to the less attractive parts of the country as part repayment of the government scholarships they won were just some examples of this) - until the Whitlam government, knowing there were never any votes to be had for them in the Bush, dumped them all.

Clare Prop 31st Dec 2012 06:08

Presumably the "Grand Mufti" is a government appointment or at least approved/recognised by Canberra. (If not who on earth "picks" him?) so if so then this is the mighty unelected Bob Carr's problem.

The Greens have made no secret how they feel about Israel so hardly likely to hear this government speak out against Hamas or any other terrorist organisation.

This government are apparently welcoming members of the LTTE, who they don't consider a terrorist group, as "refugees" despite the concerns of the Sri Lankan High Commissioner. I don't suppose Bowen/JG's vocab stretches to the difference between prosecution and persecution, so long as you are "Fleeing" from something....

Worrals in the wilds 31st Dec 2012 07:16

Clare, FYI...
New Australia's Grand Mufti appointed | SBS World News
I think it's more like being the head of a Protestant church, where you get elected or appointed by a bunch of senior church people. Unlike Cardinal Pell (for example) he doesn't officially represent all Muslims in Australia, they're not as structured as the Micks or CofE. According to that article the position has no government standing.

Agree re Hamas.

...so long as you are "Fleeing" from something....
Reminds me of the Terry Pratchett quote from Feet of Clay:
"Besides, while it was true that a lot of people came to Ankh-Morpork because it was a city of opportunity, sometimes it was the opportunity not to be hung, skewered or dismantled for whatever crimes you'd left behind in the mountains".

Buster Hyman 31st Dec 2012 13:10

I lament the fact that no party or Pollie shows any real vision or ambition. After watching recent shows about the Moon landings, it saddens me to think that we no longer have Statesmen that want to do good for the country. Instead we have career oriented, point scorers that are only interested in importing or bribing for votes. Why we pander & cow tail to minority groups is beyond me. Nobody cares to look at the big picture anymore and, as a country, it will be our children who suffer the inevitable consequences of such folly!

Captain Sand Dune 31st Dec 2012 20:53

Yup!! But on the bright side, 2013 brings us the opportunity to vote Juliar out!:ok:

criticalmass 1st Jan 2013 00:57

Captain Sand Dune, how right you are! :D

I stayed up for the new year at home and heard the fireworks and cheering and said to myself "thus the year of the burning of the red witch begins."

It was a very comforting thought on which to end my day and retire to the arms of Morpheus.

sisemen 1st Jan 2013 01:06

Mine is only one vote in a very safe Liberal seat but I am SO looking forward to giving my opinion on Gillard/Krudd and the mess that they have gotten us into.

Kowtow, which is borrowed from ku tu in Mandarin Chinese, is the act of deep respect shown by kneeling and bowing so low as to have one's head touching the ground.Kowtow came into English in the early 19th century to describe the bow itself, but its meaning soon shifted to describe any abject submission or grovelling
Sorry Buster it's the pedant in me that makes me do it :}

Buster Hyman 1st Jan 2013 02:00

Sorry Buster it's the pedant in me that makes me do it http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif
What can I say? Apple thinks it knows best...:hmm:

Fliegenmong 1st Jan 2013 02:06

Cabinet papers from 30 yrs ago
Love the part about the second Sydney airport!! :D

Archives reveal more about US missile test plans - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

parabellum 1st Jan 2013 02:14

Saw on TV this morning that Keating, when Finance Minister, wanted to introduce GST!:}

Clare Prop 1st Jan 2013 03:21

And Bob'awke thinks we should abolish the states to achieve the Fabian dream of one Big Brother (or sister...shudder!) watching over us all.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

There is no federal government without the States. If anything has to go it should be the farce that is Canberra.

Isn't it time he retired? Someone sit him in a rocking chair with a copy of the constitution, it's about time he read that instead of Orwell.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Jan 2013 04:53

And Bob'awke thinks we should abolish the states to achieve the Fabian dream of one Big Brother (or sister...shudder!) watching over us all.
I think that's been the dream of every Australian PM and federal Treasurer since federation. Ain't gonna make it happen though. :E

Watching the three pollies and fawning crowds at Woodford Folk Festival on TV and Facebook has been very enlightening; it reminds me never to go near the bloody thing. None of them ever seem to want to rock Soundwave, of course it's a slightly tougher crowd in every respect :cool::}.

Maybe Gillard, Hawke and Turnbull could form a band...

Captain Sand Dune 1st Jan 2013 07:38

What is it about ex-pollies of the Labour persuasion that compels them to get their heads on the telly as often as possible to tell us how good they were? Then again, why does our meeja let 'em?

Buster Hyman 1st Jan 2013 07:57

In fairness CSD, if I see Malcolm Fraser popping up with his 2 cents worth again, I'll scream!

Considering they are on the public payroll still, I'd be happy if they just accepted that with thanks & STFU!!! :mad:

Captain Sand Dune 1st Jan 2013 09:17

And Amen to that!

I reckon Malcolm has turned left in his old age.

Takan Inchovit 1st Jan 2013 10:03

Could be on to something here, dementia leads to Labor. Although, to be fair ... oh never mind. :E

Worrals in the wilds 1st Jan 2013 12:27

Years ago a friend of mine proposed starting a National Nuisance 'award' scheme, similar but inverse to the National Living Treasure award scheme for successful and respected Australians.

It was for people who;
1. failed to recognise their increasing irrelevance to public debate because they were senile / boring / deadset stupid,

2. People who insisted on commenting about issues that were completely removed from their expertise (such as supermodels waxing lyrical about agricultural practices or pollies yakking on about Kabuki theatre), and

3. People who obviously spent every waking hour either appearing in media stories or organising their next appearance in a media story. :zzz:

Once a person was declared a National Nuisance they would be prohibited from appearing in any media article or reality tv show, going on the lecture circuit, becoming a professional new shopping centre opener and all the other stuff faded media tarts feed from. :ok:

We came up with quite a comprehensive list, including Hawke, Fraser, Hanson, Rudd, Qld's Peter Beattie and Jim Soorley. We also had a celebutard list that started with Lara Bingle. :E

I reckon it could work. :}

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