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Flying Binghi 22nd Mar 2012 01:52


via Frank Arouet;
...Now we have some bewiskered bohemian from QLD, a member of The Greens, and probably a rebel without a cause, and no job, is going to sue Clive Palmer...
The muppets were out to get C.P., and others in the coal industry, well before those unforetunate comments...

"...Several groups named in a secret Greenpeace-led coalition to destroy the coal industry have received almost $750,000 in federal funding.
According to analysis by The Australian...

...aims to fund "scandal research" to shut down the coal industry...

...Last week Treasurer Wayne Swan slammed the Greenpeace plans as "deeply irresponsible" and "completely irrational and destructive"..."



Worrals in the wilds 22nd Mar 2012 02:17

Will it really be the bloodbath the pundits are predicting?
I think so. Been wrong before, of course...:ouch:
There's a massive amount of disillusionment, anger and sense of betrayal among traditional Labor supporters in Queensland at the moment. Nothing to do with the feds, either, whatever the state pollies like to say. IMO they're screwed, and they deserve it. That's what you get for treating the entire state like a bunch of idiots and using the power of government to promote every snivelling, incompetent crony who ever called you mate. :mad:

In the last state election, the ALP could have been beaten by a drover's dog. Unfortunately the LNP couldn't find a drover's dog willing to run and went with Springborg instead. Needless to say, they lost. This time around the LNP are looking reasonably snappy and Newman seems to be keeping the Liberal's Brutus brigade in check (for the moment, anyway:eek:). In short, they're viable. Reasonable people feel they can vote for them.

The ALP have taken to running ads with the theme 'we know we're going to lose, just don't give the LNP too big a majority, cos majorities are Bad.' :uhoh: If that's not an admission of defeat I don't know what is.

Personally I'd be surprised if Logan went LNP, if only because of the relatively high welfare dependency in the area. However, you never know, parts of Logan are getting quite posh, and a lot of self employed tradie types live there. Anyone who runs a small business in Queensland is sick to death of State government inefficiency and revenue grabbing fees, and those guys are no exception.

Anyway, they've got their own local issues to worry about...:E
On-the-run councillor sends email from hideout

Slasher 22nd Mar 2012 07:33

Just done a bit of research and concluded there are no fewer
than 125 different bloody taxes in existence in Oz. Fuctifino
how you lot have any money left to survive. Here are just a
few of 'em....

Accounts Receivable Tax
Airline surcharge tax
Airline Fuel Tax
Airport Maintenance Tax
Building Permit Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Goods and Services Tax
Death Tax
Dog License Tax
Driving Permit Tax
Environmental Tax (Fee)
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment (UI)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Petrol Tax
Gross Receipts Tax
Health Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest Tax
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Mortgage Tax
Personal Income Tax
Property Tax
Poverty Tax
Prescription Drug Tax
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Retail Sales Tax
Service Charge Tax
School Tax
Telephone Federal Tax
Telephone Provincial and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Water Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

And now that idiotic Bogan and her Green commie mates want
a Carbon tax. :ugh:

Tax does not make a nation prosperous. All it does is merely
redistributes wealth from one group to another. In 1910 Oz
was a beacon of prosperity in the world - no foreign debt, a
large middle class, inflation was next to zero the largest tax
revenues came from customs and excise duties on imported
goods. It was only in 1915 that the government gazetted the
Act for income tax to be collected.

A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they
can vote themselves largesse from public treasury. From that
moment on, the majority always votes for those candidates
promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the
result that a democracy will always collapse over lousy fiscal
policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

- Alexander Fraser Tyler, Cycle Of Democracy (1770)

david1300 22nd Mar 2012 10:46

I think my glass of red will taste mighty fine come Saturday night. I am enjoying the way the ALP have realised that they will be flung out on Saturday. I wish someone would elicit a promise from Bligh that she will see out her term as an opposition backbencher when the dust settles. Mind you, it wouldn't be worth anything.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Mar 2012 12:03

It won't be her fault.
It will be the fault of the Greens, the flood, the feds, the GFC, other state MPs, the Courier Mail, the unions (go figure :\), people who Just Don't Understand the Real Anna, aliens...you name it, it won't be her fault. I reckon she could be dragged off to the guillotine and she'd still blame everyone around her. One of the keystones of this state government has been the complete failure to assume responsibility for its actions. Fish rot from the head and this fish has gotten very stinky.

Disaster Barbie's last stand is on Saturday. It'll probably be raining in SEQ; poetic justice. At least the bloody Wivenhoe's gates are open this time (unlike last wet season, thanks to the Bogan On The Street politics that made them hoard water :sad:), maybe illustrative of the tide that turns? See the water. At least it isn't carrying chunks of the dam wall, along with the boulders that fill it. It's carrying your government though, Anna. Straight down the River and out via Luggage Point :E.
Wivenhoe Dam | Seqwater

Witnesses say your face was white, Anna.
White as a sheet when the experts and the coppers told you what would happen in the event of an overtop, or even an uncontrolled release (less than a foot below the final levels, not that there were any pictures in the media. Apparently, anyway...I wouldn't know. There wasn't a lot of power in Brisbane by that stage, and we were all pretty busy). How long does it take to evacuate the low-lying areas of Brisbane and Ipswich? How many days? How long does it take for the water leaving the dam to reach the two cities? How many hours?

I wasn't there but they talked a bit, later.
With their own white faces and over multiple scotches. Maybe then you realised that being premier isn't just about cutting ribbons and talking shit for the journos. Maybe then you realised what years of bad planning and denial had done. Nothing can stop the weather, but wise heads and non-partisan decisions could have stopped the level of development that was encouraged by you, Beattie and Soorley. 'The Wivehoe will save us! There'll never be another 1974!' you all proclaimed whenever people questioned the wisdom of allowing wealthy developers to build houses in creek beds. :ugh: Under Beattie, the Wivenhoe miraculously became a water storage dam. It's had more slutty transformations than Madonna, dependant on whatever political winds are blowing that week.

You gave your speech and told us how it would all get better. We cleaned up, gave to the flood fund and put our differences aside to get the show back on the road. Guess what...the flood fund was suddenly means tested. The government charges on small businesses just kept on going up, despite weeks of revenue loss for many. Nothing frigging changed.

Mud sticks. Foetid mud that stank of ammonia, shit, people's possessions and broken dreams, mud that paralysed Brisbane for weeks thanks to years of lax planning, mud that continued to smell through the Flood 'Inquiry', run by one of the Labor gels and tasked (it is said) to shovel the whole thing under the carpet and issue a finding worthy of Are You Being Served; 'You've All Done Very Well':yuk:...Turns out that even the government didn't have a big enough carpet.

That mud still smells.

I'd like to see her lose her seat, but I'm born vindictive. :E It's not likely but still...at least in recent times she's stopped bloody giggling. It was bad for my telly and the wall behind it. :mad:
Anna: May the odds be ever in your favour.

vulcanised 22nd Mar 2012 13:10

Mme Worrals, I wasn't there, I didn't pay it much attention, but that is a splendid illustration !:D:D:D

Fliegenmong 22nd Mar 2012 13:29

Worrals, what a powerful little post, well done!!

She'll never get my vote, but neither will the Liberal Newman Party candidate

KAP for me this time around, but regrettably no candidate in my electorate...leave me what choice???:sad:

Lex Talionis 22nd Mar 2012 22:05

I have not met anyone who is going to vote for Bligh so it looks very much a case of GO(away)Anna.

As Fliegs has said the alternative is not any more palatable and may be a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.

The problem then is who to vote for and if Newman does not win his seat who will be leader of the LNP?

Slasher,That list of yours has been around since the dawn of time more frequently seen in the United States,hence some of the erroneous or incorrectly named examples you listed such as Death taxes,Gross Receipts Tax,Accounts Receivable Tax,Poverty Tax and the list goes on.

It is true that we inherited the malaise of taxation on anything that exists infection from the UK (thankfully the ATO has not introduced the UK tax or licence required to have a TV but give them time) which also most other countries adhere to as politicians cannot seem to miss the chance to find another source of revenue.

It was argued and justification was given by Howard that the GST would be the tax to replace a host of other taxes in Australia but that has not been the case either.

It does not help when a large mining company admits that up to now they have never paid company tax either.To admit it is bad enough but to almost boast about it does not do the mining and resource sector any favours.

That means that most Australians are now in favour of spreading the wealth of the resource boom and falls right into the hands of the Government.

The problem is that with creative accounting no one really knows how much the mining giants really make especially compared to the smaller ones.

The carbon tax is another matter and really deserves more information on what other countries are doing and how our plans fit in with the global scheme of things.It would be pure folly for Australia alone to do something but are we really alone with this and can we find out the truth behind the political rhetoric that we are bombarded with every day by both sides of politics.

What is the truth.

This by the way this is a pie chart of taxation in the UK and you will notice a tax listed as a climate change levy as well as a number of other classics.We know the EU has a policy on airlines flying into and out of Europe in regards to a carbon tax so who is doing what and how?


BandAide 22nd Mar 2012 23:25

I'm getting close to retirement and the deal I made with my Australian wife was that when I let go of the yoke, we'd move to Oz so she could be close to her family after 20 or so years in the 'States'.

She visits home every year, while I go about every three years. What alarms me about Oz is the cost of living for someone whose retirement income is denominated in US dollars. The things I'll be buying in retirement are outrageously priced. For purposes of comparison assuming the Aussie/US exchanges at parity. For example:

Beer $40 vs $16 per case (24-12 oz. cans)

Cigarettes $10 per pack of 20 vs. $2.75 bought legally from US Native Americans.

Scotch $50/litre for Johnny Walker Red vs. $28.

Coffee $3 cup, no refills vs. $1.50 with unlimited refills standard.

Gas for the car $1.70 litre vs. $.95 litre (our highest ever).

I'm trying to convince the little woman we could be sipping champagne here or scavenging there. I think I may have talked her into a Bali compromise.

The Aussie dollar, for purchasing power parity, should be trading at USD $.80.

CoodaShooda 22nd Mar 2012 23:55

It was argued and justification was given by Howard that the GST would be the tax to replace a host of other taxes in Australia but that has not been the case either.
For which you can blame the state (mostly) labor governments, who agreed to the repeals but failed to deliver.

Local government elections here tomorrow. Interest factor zero (unless you're a candidate). Dunno why we bother, except it's compulsory.

Of course, if the voters realised that they won't be fined for not voting (the cost of the prosecution exceeds the value of any fine), chances are we'd have a 5% turnout at the polling booths.

Lex Talionis 23rd Mar 2012 00:34

I know exactly what you mean.Last year in the Us I went to Costco and saw a 1 gallon bottle of makers mark Bourbon for $26.99.
Fuel was much cheaper as you said as well as a number of other things.

Cooda,There were as you said some Liberal states at the time the GST was introduced.

The main point is that Howard was in power for 7 years after GST was introduced so you have to ask why he as PM did not do anything about the states failing to deliver?

At the moment we have 3 states(about to be a 4th) in which a Liberal government presides so why are they not doing anything about it?

The truth is that 99% of politicians will not give up a form of revenue and will blame anyone else to explain it.

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Mar 2012 00:41

The truth is that 99% of politicians will not give up a form of revenue and will blame anyone else to explain it.
Absolutely. Both sides are as bad as each other on this.

Fubaar 23rd Mar 2012 00:53

I await with some interest to see how the MSM (ABC, Sunrise and those silly buggers on Channel 10's 'the Project' in particular) will handle the Queensland State election result. Will it be a case of 'the Great Unwashed were mislead and didn't understand', along the same lines they use to 'explain' to us that we are all brainwashed by the right wing shock jocks and can't possibly understand, as they, with their superior intellects, do, what is good for us - a Labor Government?

Whenever these leftie commentators pontificate about my (and, it would seem, quite a few others') redneckedness, I'm reminded of the tale of the Emperor's new Clothes.

Buster Hyman 23rd Mar 2012 00:54

Greed is Bi-partisan.

The GST, if delivered as promised, would have simplified the whole taxation process but, alas, it wasn't to be. I guess it might be distrust between state & federal, as in; Feds "You might withold revenue from us" or States; "You might not distribute fairly".

IIRC, wasn't it NSW & Vic that argued how they were subsidising other States due to the higher amounts of GST revenue raised in these States, whereas now, would WA be the big contributor? (genuine question, I don't know the answer...)

At the moment we have 3 states(about to be a 4th) in which a Liberal government presides so why are they not doing anything about it?
And a federal ALP government that won't do anything about it either. We are the politicians favourite cash cow! They'll both rattle the tin cups at the Heads of Govt. meetings & tell us they are fighting for all ............. (insert your State here.) :hmm:

Clare Prop 23rd Mar 2012 02:02

I think WA gets back 65 cents for every dollar of GST.

CoodaShooda 23rd Mar 2012 02:16

I just want to know where the 1% is and who's met one. :confused:

That's right Lex

When the GST was negotiated with the states, Vic, SA and WA were Liberal along with the NT and ACT. I think Vic (and possibly WA?) had gone to labor by the time the tax was introduced.

By 2002 through to 2009 all states and territories were labor led.

Andu 23rd Mar 2012 03:44

Cooda, someone posted on the Bolt blog this morning saying that they lived in Ashgrove and intended to vote for Kate Jones.

(Cue X Files music) They live among us....

The interesting figures that will come out of tomorrow night's Queensland election will be the number/percentage of informal votes. There are a lot of people out there, especially in Queensland, whose DNA make it impossible for them to tick the box for a 'tory', but who are thoroughly disenchanted with the Bligh(t) Labor government. The only option open to such people is to vote informal. (If you are such a person, PLEASE, DON'T REGISTER YOUR 'PROTEST' BY VOTING GREENS.)

CoodaShooda 23rd Mar 2012 03:50


I meant the 1% of politicians who

will give up a form of revenue and will not blame anyone else to explain it

Slasher 23rd Mar 2012 04:41


Worrals in the wilds 23rd Mar 2012 05:27

Cooda, someone posted on the Bolt blog this morning saying that they lived in Ashgrove and intended to vote for Kate Jones.
She wasn't called Kate, was she? :E
Seriously, I think Kate will still pull a few votes. She's popular locally.
The teary page one of the CM may also generate some sympathy votes. Poor widdle Kate complete with sick baby, paying for Big Nasty Anna's lousy campaign; of course there's a fair bit of truth in that too, but no-one ever said politics was nice. :ouch:

P.S. Hawkey looks like they've been keeping him in a lab somehwere between appearances, pickled in a large beaker of botox, fake tan and formaldehyde. :ooh:

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