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SOPS 7th Dec 2012 07:24

I worry badly for my country.:mad::mad:

Like This - Do That 7th Dec 2012 08:10

Originally Posted by Croozin
Another example of the triumph of multiculturalism.

Yup ... the ALP is concerned about getting wedged between ethnically-based voting blocs in culturally diverse seats in SW Sydney, inner-city seats full of diversity industry multi-culti activists (Member for Grayndler, I'm looking at your constituents) at risk of falling to the Greens and working class, somewhat more 'whitebread' seats in the 'Greater Western Suburbs'. I wonder if when the numbers are done they don't fall on the side of dog-whistling .... after all, if the effnik and Green vote goes further left, the preferences will still flow back to Labor.

They've probably lost the 'Greater Western Suburbs' seats like Lindsay and they know it. Does the fear of losing Grayndler & Sydney outweigh the expectation of losing the votes of folks like Wayne, Sharon, Gary, Fiona & Kylie in the seats Lindsay, Chifley & McMahon?

Andu 7th Dec 2012 08:24

maintain the FAKE surplus whatever the cost. (from the Eric Palmer defence bl*g.)


This reality is the real new "Defence White Paper"
The next Defence White Paper is due out in 2013. Expect it to be as dumb or irresponsible as the one in 2009.

The new paper will state the importance of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, even though it is a defective and militarily irrelevant failure.

It will claim the importance of needing 12 new home-grown submarines (rent-seeker alert) even if no one has figured out a practical way to build them at anything but an over-inflated price.

It will mention the alleged importance of the new “Air Warfare Destroyers” and new Canberra-class amphibious ships (the size of a small aircraft carrier) even though no one has put reasonable thought about how to crew them and operate them without sucking the resource life out of the rest of the RAN.

None of this shows the true needs of the current “Defence” situation.

Like the policy or hate it, (by the way, Howard got it right), we need resources to cover for illegal immigration.

For example we do not have enough patrol boats for border protection. Various kinds of RAN ships have been commandeered to be used to support the border operations against illegal boat people in what can only be described as, Operation: HAPPY CABBY.

Defence yearly flying operations funds for C-17 cargo aircraft and the new KC-30 (A330-200 Airbus airframes) tankers are being used to move illegals back home and other places. This is at a higher cost than civilian solutions.

Why? Since the current government is in the red (not counting the red hammer and sickle) with deficit-spending and big federal budget debt due to spend-thrift planning, the only current funding available to do what should be civil and civil police ops reside in yearly Defence operations funds.

This is a gross misdirection of the justification for authorised fund-sites. The tax payer should not have money taken from them on the promise of it being used for Defence and then see it robbed to pay for border patrol ops.

So, with no money left, and leftist government leaders trying to patch up bad policy, the only true value they see in Defence is to act as a value-added accessory to under-resourced border patrol operations.

Those are your REAL Defence White Paper needs. Defence as a function of border protection (by other means). There is no money for defective and gold-plated big-Navy dreams and big RAAF flying-club ambitions.

There is money in annual budgets to resource proper border protection against illegals.

Fantasy Defence 2030? How about taking care of the current threat.

Worrals in the wilds 7th Dec 2012 08:54

Another example of the triumph of multiculturalism.
And the triumph of crime, particularly when law enforcement becomes a political football used for courting the effnick vote. :yuk:

The bikies have been doing this for years on the Gold Coast, to restaurants, clubs and bike related businesses. The difference is that 1. They're not traditionally effnick and 2. QPol wouldn't give a toss if they were. Nor would whichever collection of clowns happened to be in power at the time; it's the one nice thing you can say about the Qld government. They've never bought this crap about being soft on New Australians. If they did they'd get turfed; and it must be remembered that all shades of NSW people continued to vote Labor. It obviously didn't bother them too much. :hmm:

In Sydney, law enforcement was politicised by Labor and used to score points with effnick voters. Now they're reaping what they sowed. I hope some of this sticks to Carr in a Keatingesque way (blanket style :E) because he deserves it.

Labor likes to think that effnicks will always vote Labor but I don't think it's a given. Woodridge went the other way in the state election and it's effnick. Law and order concerns featured in a lot of surveys from the area. Family First picked up a big vote and why wouldn't they; religious, conservative, anti gay marriage etc etc... A lot of Islander, Islamic and Indian Australians identify with those beliefs.

Labor shouldn't be so sure that their placatory stance re Sydney law enforcement will bring home the non pork bacon, particularly when effnick businesses (rather than white fellas) start getting targeted. If FF have half a brain (which is debatable) they'll be making conservative mileage.

EDIT: not more diesel subs :ugh:. Are we getting mounted cavalry too? :zzz:

Croozin 7th Dec 2012 09:28

I have to agree with you, Worrals. Diesel subs to replace the Collins class (non) submarines is political correctness gone mad. Nukes, be they bought, leased, rented, borrowed - whatever - are the ONLY option for Australia.

However, while the Greens hold sway in Canberra, it'll never happen. Anything other than nukes, at the very least, will mean we have an ineffective wet lettuce rather than a deterrent submarine force in peacetime, when having a credible deterrence can make all the difference in whether we go to war or remain at peace.

At worst, should (God forbid) we ever go to war, our politicians will be consigning our submarine crews to certain death, a bit like they did to the Wirraway crews who knowingly went to their certain deaths against overwhelming numbers of Zeros at Rabaul in 1942.

I wouldn't be surprised if, like the RAAF Wirraway commander, the RAN submarine captains haven't got the gladiators' salute already written out.

Worrals in the wilds 7th Dec 2012 10:26

That may explain why they're having trouble recruiting and retaining submariners. I've no references to hand but the last time I looked (about a year ago) they were putting out a very big welcome mat to all and sundry. Retention seemed to be a problem which is always a red flag in my book.

I'm no expert and happy to be shouted down by anyone who is, but to my mind buying a sub that needs to breathe is akin to buying scuba gear when you can afford a closed circuit rebreather. When there's better technology around, why get the inferior product? :confused:

Particularly when we already sell uranium to foreign countries. The Greens would rather people forgot about that; it's okay to run a brothel for the touristos but don't let us catch you locals using it! :E:}

Greens thinking. A contradiction of terms :hmm:. I reckon that if there is one thing Labor will regret, truly regret; it's getting into bed with The Greens. They would have been better off throwing down the gauntlet and calling another election. Of course that would have taken guts and integrity; something neither side has spotted in the wild since Icehouse were in the charts. It was never gonna happen but still...:sad:

Union scandals, election promise backflips and general unsavouriness are all part of the Labor package, but IMO the shit the Greens have dragged up from the bottom of the wealthy, trendy, tofu latte pond will haunt federal Labor. They've pinned their hopes to a very small (albeit vocal) minority, a minority to which most of them and most of the media belong. The Twitterati; never was a demographic more aptly named. :\

I think that unless there is a small miracle, come the next election they will find out just how small that minority really is.

TWT 7th Dec 2012 10:38

Security in doubt as Australia's aging oil refineries shut down

We import a great deal of our refined petroleum products now.We aren't self sufficient in terms of our refinery capacity and couldn't make enough fuel for the aviation and military sectors if we really needed to in the future.I'll bet the last tankful of ULP in my car was shipped in from Singapore.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Dec 2012 08:42

The odd thing about Caltex Brisbane is that while they are saying it's not viable, on the other side of the river BP are expanding and putting on more staff. :confused:
They can't both be right...

Croozin 8th Dec 2012 21:27

Worth a look, if only to check out the cartoon. (Insert 'o' for the underscore in the first word.)


Dark Knight 8th Dec 2012 22:18

`Posting Bail' Pickering

plus other articles.

sisemen 9th Dec 2012 01:39

There was some interesting analysis in the Weekend Australian which pointed towards a Feb/March election.

This government has staked its life on a budget surplus. Any fule no that that is now an impossibility but declare it so would have the Opposition tearing them apart. The announcement of the third quarter fiscal position in March will force the position into the open.

Additionally the cock-up with the UN vote on the Middle East left Gillard right out on a limb and she is now extremely vulnerable. The AWU scandal is also moving into its final phases and she knows, as do most intelligent people, that it ain't going to end well for her.

So.....a whole lot of bad things are likely to come together in a perfect storm over the summer break.

Had Krudd called an election when the rumblings against his leadership first started it would have killed the challenge stone dead. Instead he waited and Gillard slipped the knife in. She won't make the same mistake.

The likelihood is that she will go to the GG shortly after Christmas before Parliament resumes for the next sitting when any challenge will be mounted.

She's a slippery bastard and as I read somewhere - anything for another week at The Lodge.

Captain Sand Dune 9th Dec 2012 02:54

anything for another week at The Lodge.
Which is why she'll hang on for as long as possible. Wouldn't hold my breath waiting an early election.

heated ice detector 9th Dec 2012 03:08

20 year anniversary of Paul keating's Redfern speech. Love him or hate him he was a great speaker. Kev Rudd's sorry speech was up there with it as well

Captain Sand Dune 9th Dec 2012 06:31

20 year anniversary of Paul keating's Redfern speech. Love him or hate him he was a great speaker.
Not to mention the world's greatest PM ....... in his opinion.
And I suppose the Lefties consider Juliar's "misogyny" drivel constitutes a "great speech" as well.:hmm:

MTOW 9th Dec 2012 21:21

ALPBC's morning flagship A.M. programme this morning featured a long interview with a Labor backbencher WITHOUT PORTFOLIO from Doha.

WTF - and I mean WTF was (a) a backbencher without portfolio doing at the international climate change conference?, and

(b) WTF - and I mean WTF - was the ABC doing interviewing this backbencher without portfolio and allowing him to pontificate in a pseudo (and sickening) prime ministerial way.

I must thank the ALPBC for putting Krudd bak on air as it did this morning. It reminded me what a pompous, self-satisfied twot the man remains. His voice is right up there with la Gillard's in the annoying as hell stakes.

Julia, if you weren't aware before this morning that there's a move afoot for yet another leadership challenge by the twot from Queensland, you are now.

CoodaShooda 10th Dec 2012 02:47


I thought he was at an international conference discussing Syria rather than Doha. (I don't think even Combet hung around for the latter.)

Agree with the WTF reaction upon hearing it though.

MTOW 10th Dec 2012 03:48

The first dirty trick of the coming election campaign exposed. Expect many more to follow.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Automatic enrolment puts Coalition seats at risk

by: Tom Dusevic, National chief reporter
From:The Australian
December 10, 201212:00AM

NEW electoral laws to automatically enrol up to 1.5 million voters could see the Coalition lose a swag of marginal seats at next year's election.

According to several exclusive Newspoll surveys, the Coalition's primary vote would slip by 1.5 percentage points if those currently eligible to vote but not enrolled - mainly young people - were enrolled.
"Vote early, vote often" will be the order of the day.

Flying Binghi 10th Dec 2012 04:12

...NEW electoral laws to automatically enrol up to 1.5 million voters...

Hmmm... this just might be sumthin to thro back at the Labore purps..:)

There are many in Oz who dont likes to be told by some neo-stalinist muppets that you will be enrolled and you will vote.

Perhaps we need to look at the land of the free and the brave and bring in free choice. If yer dont feel like voting yer dont hafta.


parabellum 10th Dec 2012 04:37

I would hope that the Coalition would procrastinate on this and finally seek a supreme court injunction so that nothing was changed until after the next general election. Wishful thinking perhaps?

Croozin 10th Dec 2012 05:59

If the independents back Labor on this new legislation, I don’t think the Opposition can stop it.

I know I’m not the first to suggest this, but I'd like to see the Coalition introduce the requirement for anyone attempting to vote to produce photo ID and some system to prevent double voting. I'd suggest a computer at every polling booth linked to a central data base. You vote, your name goes 'hatched'. If you turn up to vote and find your name 'hatched', you register that fact with the polling official, and if the number of such complaints total more than the number of votes by which the winning candidate wins, the seat is not declared until a full investigation. As for the Senate, I'm not sure how that should be handled.

AEC won't touch any such idea for obvious reasons. Despite all their protestations to the contrary, I have a strong suspicion that this kind of crap is already happening, and on a scale big enough to swing marginal seats. Many will have seen the cretin on (was it?) ACA boasting how he'd voted for the Greens 150 times in the 2010 election - with no comeback from the AEC.

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