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thing 18th Mar 2012 14:09


thing - Don't forget that the Oz dollar is now much stronger than it was seven years ago, your pound then would have bought about A$1 per pound more than today, as a visitor you would certainly notice that.
Even taking that into account, everything has still shot through the roof. We were thinking about early retirement out there on a family ticket but certainly couldn't afford to live out there now. Property prices (I only know about Bris and the surrounding areas) have gone mental. Combine that with falling house prices here and the fact that as you say the dollar is worth a lot more, I doubt we could afford a garden shed out there.

In fact there was a mention on a program on TV over here that Oz is now the most expensive place to visit for a Brit and what a pound will buy out there.

500N 18th Mar 2012 14:51

Worrals

Agree with everything you have said.

I might add that the councils are going to get a big shock when the Carbon Tax comes in - which will of course flow on from them down the line to rates etc.

Clare Prop 18th Mar 2012 15:29

Worrals is so right. Cost of compliance is getting higher and higher, security being a classic example; someone in Canberra/insert State capital here has to achieve their "Key Performance Indicators" after all. (Why can't "maintain status quo" be acceptable?)
Cost of groceries has really shot up recently. And the reason clothes are cheap is because all you can buy, unless you go to mega expensive inner city trendy boutiques, is cheap imported crap.
And my home loan people sent me a nice letter yesterday to say they were putting the interest rate up..again...:mad::ugh:

Andu 20th Mar 2012 06:14

I await the MSM (predictable?) reaction to Clive Palmer's comments today that the Greens are funded by the CIA and the Rockefeller Foundation to destroy the Australian coal industry and to bolster the US coal industry.

Flying Binghi 20th Mar 2012 12:55

The Greens, Al Gores useful idiots...
 
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via Andu;
I await the MSM (predictable?) reaction to Clive Palmer's comments today that the Greens are funded by the CIA and the Rockefeller Foundation to destroy the Australian coal industry and to bolster the US coal industry.
...:ooh:

Bolt comments... "...The Opposition will be thinking, oh, damn..."

...She also does a fine job in recounting the intriguing story of how the CIA worked with existing institutions, such as the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation, and established numerous “bogus” foundations to “hide” its funding of the Congress for Cultural Freedom and its other covert activities...

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian



Hmmm.... yer never know. That Clinton mate the corrupt Al Gore had a lot of say...

"...I find [conservatives] skeptical on this issue," says James Woolsey, a right-leaning Democrat who was director of the Central Intelligence Agency between 1993 and 1995, under former President Bill Clinton. "But when I mention the connection to security, suddenly things like solar power start looking a lot better."

Last year saw a raft of studies tracing the linkage between global warming and global instability, and none was more influential than a report released last April by the CNA Corporation, a Pentagon-funded think tank..."


Read more: Does Global Warming Compromise National Security? - The Environment - TIME






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CHAIRMAN 20th Mar 2012 13:14

and Clare, I didn't get any letter, but noticed interest rates on my online savings account have gone down in the past 2 months:ugh:

Zorro Polilla 20th Mar 2012 14:45


I await the MSM (predictable?) reaction to Clive Palmer's comments today that the Greens are funded by the CIA and the Rockefeller Foundation to destroy the Australian coal industry and to bolster the US coal industry.
I'm completely unclear on exactly what it was you were predicting Andu (having two bob each way??) but so far media reaction seems to be fairly muted.

Not surprising. Most media commentators I'd reckon are still picking their jaws up off the floor at this amazing naked display of right-wing paranoia truly reaching the outer limits of conspiracy theories. By no less than one of the leading lights of the Liberal Party which claims to be the right and proper rulers of the country.

How embarrassment!

Bizarre, truly bizzarre!

And people reckon Bob Brown and the Greens are nutters :rolleyes::rolleyes:gl

Worrals in the wilds 20th Mar 2012 16:34


And people reckon Bob Brown and the Greens are nutters
One doesn't preclude the other! ;)
Clive. :rolleyes: Insane even by Queensland standards. He could do a range of bumper stickers; Honk if you haven't been sued by Clive Palmer.
If only there was some way of connecting his mouth to a power generating turbine, the nation's energy needs could be met three times over.

IMO, he hasn't appeared in a newspaper headline for the last half hour and therefore feels the need to be Controversial again. :zzz:

Property prices (I only know about Bris and the surrounding areas) have gone mental.
thing, prices in SEQ outside the Big Smoke aren't so bad. If you were retired and willing to do a bit of driving (say an hour to Brisbane) there are nice townlets around Gatton and Toowoomba with reasonably priced housing, often on relatively big blocks of land. Same to the north of Brisbane and the outskirts of Ipswich. Some of it's not the poshest, but if you like horses and small town living there are plenty of communities to choose from, often with a growing number of retirees from the big cities. In the interests of being positive I'll avoid my usual banjo jokes. :E
PM me if you want. :)

MTOW 20th Mar 2012 23:22

I have to admit I did a bit of a double take (almost, but not quite, 'jaw on the floor', Zorro) when I heard Clive Palmer's comment. We've almost been conditioned to pooh hooh anything approaching this (the conspiracy theorists would say that that proves how successful the CIA et al have been in so conditioning us over the years).

However, before consigning Clive Palmer permanently to the nutter's corner, I'm reminded of one John Friedrich and the National Safety Council back in the 70s and 80s. ( City of Sale, Gippsland, Victoria ~ Community Information Website ~ Sale, Gippsland, Victoria, Australia ) There were some - (quite a few, in fact, including, I think, journalist John Pilger in one of his many expose books [not sure of that]) - who believed that NSCA had been funded by the CIA (much as they'd done in some South American countries in the 50s and 60s), in response to the Whitlam government taking Australia down a road that didn't quite fit with US interests. However, when Whitlam was removed, (or so the conspiracy theory went), they had no further need of it and it was allowed to wither on the vine. The mysterious circumstances surrounding John Friedrich's suicide - straight out of a Robert Ludlum novel - did nothing to lessen the suspicions of the conspiracy theorists.

As a few respondents on the Bolt blog have mentioned, ten years from now, Clive's crazy assertions might not look quite so crazy. I'm reminded of the wife (Martha Mitchell?) of one of the main players in the anti-Nixon camp in the Watergate affair making what were seen at the time to be utterly crazy assertions that the CIA had induced the cancer that was then killing her. (By giving her injections of cancer-inducing drugs, as I recall.) A couple of years down the track, as (always unconfirmed) evidence emerged of similar practices elsewhere, those assertions didn't seem quite so crazy.

It's highly unlikely, I know, but it could be very interesting if some of those papers Clive Palmer was waving in journalists' faces proved to contain hard evidence of some kind.

Fubaar 20th Mar 2012 23:34

Totally off the subject of the last few posts, but I saw the comment below on the Piers Ackerman blog and thought it was interesting in that it echoes some of the suggestions I've read here on Pprune. Even more interesting it that it would appear to come from someone who was involved in the successful turning back of boats during the Howard years.

I was there. I saw it done.

Step 1: Begin interceptions closer to IND territorial waters.

Step 2: Locate the SIEV on radar and stay over the horizon.

Step 3: Dispatch your sea boat with armed party and engineers.

Step 4: Board the SIEV just as they do now - EXACTLY like they do now.

Step 5: Secure the engine room and prevent the boat being scuttled. The illegals will not scuttle the boat whilst they do not have a platform to evacuate to.

Step 6: Bring up your patrol boat.

Step 7: Check port of departure, crew members, numbers, nationality and gather any other intelligence you can get.

Step 8: Patrol Boat either (a) tows boat back towards IND waters with insufficient fuel to make AUS voyage), or (b) provides fuel sufficient only for IND voyage from point of interception then departs leaving the sea boat with armed boarding party (Again, no platform for the illegals to evacuate to.)

Step 9: Direct the SIEV back to Indonesia to the port of origin.

Step 10: Sea boat departs SIEV and returns to patrol boat over the horizon.

THAT is how it was done - AND if anyone can tell me how the danger level increases with illegals wilfully scuttling the vessel with ADF personnel onboard or in the vicinity I would love to know.

I was in the north during OP RELEX, OP RELEX II and OP RESOLUTE when the boats were stopped. If the same laws were reintroduced with TPV’s and offshore detention they WOULD stop again. Take the [email protected]#$%^ carrots away!

Buster Hyman 21st Mar 2012 00:42

Ha...funny stuff on here.

It wasn't long ago that the CIA were accused of ousting Whitlam IIRC! :p:p:p

Worrals in the wilds 21st Mar 2012 03:25

...Turning the milk sour, rigging Biggest Loser, supressing the cure for influenza etc. I don't know how they find the time to collect intel about terrorists and threats of violence against the USA when they're so busy influencing Australia (such a big world power, Australia, with so many terrorists and credible threats, I mean we must be pushing Pakistan way off the priority list :\), running Greenpeace and threatening Clive's bottom line. :hmm:


It's highly unlikely, I know, but it could be very interesting if some of those papers Clive Palmer was waving in journalists' faces proved to contain hard evidence of some kind.
For sure, but that's the thing that usually seems to be missing with these 'CIA stole my baby' scenarios. Evidence. I suppose the CIA stole it all in a daring and dangerous ninjutsu mission where they had to sneak between Clive and his fridge. :suspect::eek: Once in a while someone actually produces a credible story, but if he had anything concrete I think we would have seen it by now.

While OHMS I was always amazed how many people were convinced the government was spying on them. 'Why would we, you're just not that interesting' never convinced them otherwise, either, even though it was true.
Usually, anyway. :suspect::}

sisemen 21st Mar 2012 04:06


And people reckon Bob Brown and the Greens are nutters
The difference is that Brown and his nutter party are in a position of power which has, at the moment, a legitimate right to pass laws and levy taxes which affect all our lives. Palmer merely wishes that he had that right and in the absence of that merely provides loadsamoney to any right leaning political entity.

Meanwhile, back to the motley crew of incompetents that purport to run the country (psst...it's Bob all along).

News is to hand that Australia ranks amongst the countries with the highest cost of electricity (it may have been the highest but I can't honestly remember that bit of the Radio NZ broadcast). Higher than the US, Canada, New Zealand and Britain.

And that's before the Red Queen's carbon tax kicks in.

Let's see how far we travel with a bullet in one foot.

And the foreign press is not being kind to Cock-up Carr and his single-handed dismantling of Australian foreign policy. Rudd may well be a total dolt but at least he didn't carry on like this.

Frank Arouet 21st Mar 2012 08:41

Funny how every politician can, and does take the piss under parliamentary privelege, but Clive, without parliamentary privelege says what's on his mind whether he's imbibed or sober.

Now we have some bewiskered bohemian from QLD, a member of The Greens, and probably a rebel without a cause, and no job, is going to sue Clive Palmer.

Now, if I had Clive's money, and some strange and broke person wanted to sue me, I'd ask for a surety of a million up front, which the courts would more than likely grant if they were convinced the Green sue'er was impecunious and a troublemaker wasting the court's time.

There are avenues for test cases, and this isn't one.

If he, the bewiskered bohemian, went ahead, I would then ask who funded his action.

And I bet Labor don't get any more of Clive's cash in political donations. They'll have to survive on Union funding alone.

The Greens got a $1million cash donation from an on line accommodation broker. But thats different.

RJM 21st Mar 2012 12:12

Wotif founder Graeme Wood's donation to the NSW Greens was $1.6 million.

Once the donation had been made public, the New South Wales Greens admitted that their policy was to refuse all donations from private and public corporations. The NSW Greens' next press release justified accepting the money because “almost none” of Mr Wood’s donation was spent in New South Wales, and only a “relatively small” amount was spent on a national SBS campaign.

Hypocrites.

RJM 21st Mar 2012 12:17

I was listening to our new Foreign Minister Bob Carr's maiden speech in the Senate.

Is there anything to stop a party from installing an unelected Prime Minister using the casual vacancy system?

Perhaps the system should be limited to minting new backbenchers.

RJM 21st Mar 2012 12:30

Now Anna Bligh is attributing the looming devastation of her Queensland government to various external factors:

- The GFC knocked Queenslanders senseless.

- The floods have made life tough for people.

- When life is tough, people hate their government.

Are the bad polls attributable to Gillard's national ALP government?

- Not at all. You never hear of national politics in Queensland.

What about your personal reputation for lying and your government's record of poor management?

- We've invested record amounts.... we have plans to make everything perfect.

You said under parliamentary privilege that Campbell Newman will end up in gaol. Can you support that statement?

- Are you blaming me for being passionate about Queensland and using passionate language?

Sounds like Joh Bjelke-Petersen...

parabellum 22nd Mar 2012 00:30

You may not like Greenwood but the facts can't be ignored:

Australia today FROM ROSS GREENWOOD

Quoted by: Ross Greenwood of Money News..

Right now the Federal Government is at pains to tell everyone - including us the mug-punters and the International Monetary Fund, that it will not exceed its own, self-imposed, borrowing limits. How much? $200 billion. And here's a worry.

If you work in a bank's money market operation; or if you are a politician; the millions turn into billions and it rolls off the tip of the tongue a bit too easily. but every dollar that is borrowed, some time, has to be repaid. By you, by me and by the rest of the country.

Just after 5 o'clock tonight I did a bit of math for Jason Morrison ( Sydney radio presenter). But it's so staggering its worth repeating now.

First thought; Gillard, Swan, Wong, before that Rudd, all of the Labor Cabinet, call these temporary borrowings, a temporary deficit.

Remember Those Words : Temporary Deficit.

The total Government debt will end up around $200 billion. So here's a very basic calculation .. I used a home loan calculator to work
it out..... it's that simple..$200 billion is $2 hundred thousand million.

The current 10 year Government bond rate is 4.67 per cent. I worked the loan out over a period of 20 years. Now here's where it gets scary .... really scary.

The repayments on $200 billion, come to more than one and a quarter billion dollars - every month - for 20 years. It works out we - as taxpayers - will be repaying $15.4 billion in interest and principal every year .. $733 for every man woman and child - every year. The total interest bill over the 20 years is - get this - $108 billion.

Remember, this is a Government, that just 4 years ago, had NO debt. NO debt.

In fact it had enough money to create the Future Fund, to pay the future liabilities of public servants' superannuation, and it had enough to stick $20 billion into the Building Australia Fund .....

A note was sent to me which explains that the six leading members of the Government, from Ms Gillard down, have a collective work experience of 181 years, but only 13 in the private sector.

If you take out of those 13 years the number that were spent as trade union lawyers, 11, only two years were spent in the private sector.

So out of those 181 years:

- no years spent running their own business
- no years spent starting their own business
- no years spent as a director of a family business or a companyqqq
- no years as a director of a public company
- no years in a senior position in a public company
- no years in a senior position in a private company
- no years working in corporate finance
- no years in corporate or business restructuring
- no years working in or with a bank
- no years of experience in the capital markets
- no years in a stock-broking firm
- no years in negotiating debt facilities with banks
- no years running a small business
- no years at the World Bank or IMF or OECD
- no years in Treasury or Finance.

But these people have plunged Australia into unprecedented debt Well, in a way you can't blame them. It's clear the electorate did not do their homework, because the Government is there by right. Ah, but they are Labor and people vote for them because Labor is good for the working family - right???

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Mar 2012 00:39


A note was sent to me which explains that the six leading members of the Government, from Ms Gillard down, have a collective work experience of 181 years, but only 13 in the private sector.
The elected oligarchy strikes again. If the Libs had any brains they'd hammer this point every chance they get.

Now Anna Bligh is attributing the looming devastation of her Queensland government to various external factors:
Worse than that, she's using last year's flood for political purposes, running ads showing flood pictures with her 'great' speech playing over the top(that was very similar to one in Wayne Bennet's previously published book).

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: would probably sum up my response to the ad I saw last night. The publishable version, anyway.

I also wonder why Labor has chosen to remind people of the lack of EMS infrastructure that made things worse, the sudden means testing of the flood fund (the remainder of which is rumoured to be propping up the state budget :ugh:), the damn dam report that made skapegoats of the poor buggers on the ground while absolving the ministers of all responsibility, the planning FUBARs that allowed development in flood prone areas in the first place...and the list goes on. I wouldn't have called the handling of the flood an ALP selling point, myself.

CoodaShooda 22nd Mar 2012 01:28


I wouldn't have called the handling of the flood an ALP selling point, myself.
Put it down to being the best choice from a bad lot?

I was surprised to hear an ABC TV journo this morning calling Logan City a possible loss to Labor - despite it needing a 13.5% swing to fall.

Will it really be the bloodbath the pundits are predicting?


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