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RJM 16th Oct 2012 09:07

Government is about leadership. Gillard 'leads' only with difficulty and with little understanding of what she is doing.

Her instincts are to attack and defend, attack and defend. Growth and advancement are foreign to her - that's why she agreeed to use the phrase 'moving forward' and why she sounded so uncomfortable and uncomprehending using it. She is all bark and fangs, force without judgment with no strategy, only the tactics of a close fight.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Oct 2012 09:14


She is all bark and fangs, force without judgment with no strategy, only the tactics of a close fight.
Student Union politics 101. Most people graduate and move onwards and upwards. Not this mob. They're still storming the refec (while the student majority :rolleyes: and gets on with their studies), just on a bigger scale :ugh:.
Thanks for your previous links, btw. Interesting. Myself, I think he's got other and more current sources than a former BLF bloke...maybe a few honourable sources? :8:hmm:

WIWT, there is something I would like to see, you ROFLMAO ing.
I'll send you an invite. Management Strategy Meetings are a safe option, which is why they don't usually ask the rank and file to attend. We're a bit too refreshingly sarcastic. :cool::} Apparently the phrase 'are you lot for real'? is not part of the approved business lexicon. I was told the other day 'there are no bad ideas. :eek:' My response was unpublishable but can be summarised as; yes, there are. :uhoh:

Allan, you have a point. The aforementioned isms are real and still exist; this is why I get cranky when they are appropriated (and therefore demeaned) by pollies who are trying to score cheap points.

My bet is that none of the Labor ladies ever owned a pair of steel capped boots, hard hat or safety vest (or to be traditional, a mop and bucket/ Responsible Service of Alcohol ticket) prior to entering politics. Law? Yeah, sexist industry. That's why over half the country's law graduates are female. What's the percentage re HC truck or shotfirer licenses? :hmm:

500N 16th Oct 2012 11:00

On the news this evening, the Labour Party / media both admitted / commented on that it would have been inappropriate for Abbott to mention the tow back of boats - as we have all been saying - BUT they then said that they were not going to miss an opportunity to kick Abbott over the issue in a domestic political sense because the general public wouldn't know about the way things are done.

Clare Prop 16th Oct 2012 11:04

The Orwellian comparisons..:eek:...eg newspeak...and to quote Syme "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words." Just ask Bill Shorten, who is able single handedly to rewrite the dictionary. (I also studied Ancient Greek and there is only one translation for "Misogyny" it's hardly open to interpretation).


Talking of literature, the "speech/screech" took me back to schooldays and having to learn Shakespeare, "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" sprung to mind.. in fact there is rather a lot in Canberra right now that reminds me of "The Scottish Play"

I don't suppose any of those clowns had that level of education though. :mad: Probably think "Out Damn'd Spot!" is when the dog has made a mess on the carpet.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Oct 2012 11:23


...because the general public wouldn't know about the way things are done.
We too stoopid. :ugh: They're trying the 'vote Labor, dumbf:mad:k, if you know what's good for you' line on the electorate, with dismal effect. The Man in the Hat must be laughing...Shorten is doing the rounds of the unions being his best and most political self, but it's not carrying much weight...great speaker, but what's in it for us? Any numbers in that fine speech or just platitudes and wank words? :ooh: How about public service cuts, particularly in the Border Agencies? Just how serious is this government about border protection when it comes to money spent versus media soundbites?

They tried that argument in Queensland. It didn't work then and it won't work at the next federal election. All it results in is annihilation for the party at the ballot box, then they can claim voters were too stoopid to listen to their lies and spin while they scurry around looking for second rate runners who were friends of the dear departed and mistakenly think they're worth a bob. The recent Q Weekend article on Jackie Trad was illuminating, to say the least. :bored: Meanwhile we're stuck with a bunch of amateurs who still ask What Would Joh Have Done 'cos they're lacking any better ideas and most of them were in primary school the last time the party had leadership. :uhoh: Thanks, Labor!

If there is one thing in politics that truly gives me the shits at the moment, it's the Labor Party heavies' obvious POV that their one time supporters are stupid. In a way, they're more condescending to the average voter than the Libs or the miners, and that's saying something.

:mad:ing elitist uniLabor wanquers...

Clare: No more! The text is foolish. (Lear IV: 2):}
Love the carpet analogy. :E

Maybe Richard II III:2 applies:
For God's sake, let us sit upon the ground
And tell sad stories of the death of kings.
How some have been deposed; some slain in war,
Some haunted by the ghosts they have deposed;
Some poison'd by their wives: some sleeping killed;
All murdered.
For within the hollow crown
That rounds the mortal temples of a king
Keeps Death his court, and there the antic sits,
Scoffing at his state, grinning at his pomp,
Allowing him a breath, a little scene,
To monarchize, be fear'd and kill with looks;
Infusing him with self and vain conceit,
As if this flesh which walls about our life
Were brass impregnable.
And humour'd thus
Comes at the last, and with a little pin;
Bores through his castle wall, and farewell king!
:E
Every dog has its day. Please note, I'm not using 'dog' in the female derogatory sense. :} Dogs are dogs, no matter what their gender. They snivel and cajole, and try looking cute to win your affection; they're still dogs though. Still bottom feeders and still losers.

Clare Prop 16th Oct 2012 11:44

Gillard, Pilbersek and Roxon: A dark cave, a cauldron, thunder
Double double toil and trouble...fire burn and cauldron bubble!

Disclaimer: you don't have to be female to be a witch

She's already done the "Is this a dagger which I see before me" without the guilty conscience bit.

By this reckoning he is more shrew than she

allan907 16th Oct 2012 11:57

Oh well, if we're going into Shakespeare how about the opening speech in Merchant of Venice?

Alas I know not why I am so sad.
It wearies me; you say it wearies you;
But how I caught it, found it, or came by it,
What stuff 'tis made of, whereof it is born,
I am to learn;
And such a want-wit sadness makes of me,
That I have much ado to know myself.


Answer: It all happened in 2007 and got worse in 2010.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Oct 2012 12:06

"Fair is foul and foul is fair, Hover through the fog and filthy air".
There is plenty of filthy air in federal Labor politics at present; Slipper and Thomson are both filthy yet the powers that be would claim them as fair. What's left for us voters to do is to sift through the filthy air and find what we consider to be the truth. Maybe Thomson is actually misunderstood; maybe I'm the president of the ACTU :E . Slipper has already been damned by his own smartphone and will probably be hunted down by the NSW oyster farmers' collective for hampering sales :yuk:. No loss, either.

Maybe when it comes to the current government we should be asking ourselves 'what company do you keep'?:uhoh:. Not because we want to. Not because we particularly like the opposition because we don't. We envisage at least four years of IR hardship from them, and all manner of Big Business friendly Initiatives :yuk: . It will be because there will simply be no choice left, no viable alternative. We will vote for the clowns in opposition and spend the next few years fighting them at every opportunity.

Why? Because our own side leaves us with no choice. Because they are incapable of voting for. Because they are a collection of middle class misfits who went into the union movement because they could achieve nothing else and didn't even have the decency to do the job first, before standing on a picket line (as a worker, rather than a ring-in), because they have no effing idea what they are supposedly fighting for. :mad:

Because they are losers. Because they failed us and left us to the wolves. :sad:
Reader, you have no idea how disillusioned I am. I'll fight for the cause but the Party can go shove its head up its collective arse. Maybe then it will get an inkling of what the faithful think of it. It won't get it at branch meetings because they're like Church; most reasonable supporters just don't bother anymore. Too much dogma, too much diatribe; too few solutions and recogntion of the R&F POV. Like Church, it's easier not to bother :zzz:. Like Church, all that's left are the movers and shakers and the True Faithful, not the thinkers and the doubters who'll ask the questions and find the proper answers. The Hollow Men, the Stuffed Men; the Loser Men. :bored:

They will lose, and we'll be the worse for it. If only there were a choice. :sad:

Clare Prop 16th Oct 2012 12:15

WITW, you should start your own party I reckon! :D

CoodaShooda 16th Oct 2012 12:20

Worrals

You have fairly encapsulated 5 years of OzPolitics threads in one post.

Perhaps the Sussex St trolls should heed your lesson on how politics can (and should) be discussed.

RJM 16th Oct 2012 12:21


now appears to want the previous PM back
Checkboard, appearances may be very deceptive. I'd adjust my viewpoint.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Oct 2012 12:34


WITW, you should start your own party I reckon! :D
That's very kind. :O Way too many skeletons though...:eek:
The problem is; in the long run minority parties never get anywhere.
No doubt Wilkie, the X Man, the DLP et al all had the best of intentions running as independents, but all too soon the system bowled them over. They become a part of it. Likewise Katter; he'll become a part of the process as did the Greens. They get submerged into the big two's politics and thence become irrelevant.

At the end of the day the two big parties call the shots, and this is the problem.

Croozin 16th Oct 2012 12:40


Why? Because our own side leaves us with no choice. Because they are incapable of voting for. Because they are a collection of middle class misfits who went into the union movement because they could achieve nothing else and didn't even have the decency to do the job first, before standing on a picket line (as a worker, rather than a ring-in), because they have no effing idea what they are supposedly fighting for.

Because they are losers. Because they failed us and left us to the wolves
But still, 40 to 45% of voters will vote for Labor no matter what they do.

I briefly watched (US) Fox News today and saw some (I can only assume) Republican-leaning reporter (it was Fox, afterall), asking people who were lined up to attend an Obama benefit concert why they were voting for Obama.

Now I know the TV people would have edited the tape and shown us only the answers that fitted into their '(US) liberals are airheads' storyline, but the gaping void (the only phrase that comes to mind) in the lack of coherent answers when any of these people were asked to explain what Obama has achieved to make him deserve their vote was shocking.

I'm reminded of the oft-repeated [but as yet unanswered] question we see here from time to time: "What has the Rudd/Gillard government done since 2007 to warrant your support?"

For the 40-45% truly rusted on, he/she doesn't have to do anything.

Interested to see that the Democrats (the US equivalent of OzLabor) are stridently resisting an Arizona State law demanding that people registering to vote first show evidence that they are indeed US citizens. This, only a week or two after cries of "racism" (now where have I heard that before?) when they tried introduce legislation demanding voters show some form of ID to vote.

So it would seem that it's not just here that the dead rise and 'vote early/vote often' is a way of life on election day in some quarters.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Oct 2012 12:46


But still, 40 to 45% of voters will vote for Labor no matter what they do.
Any election is decided by the minority, particularly in federal elections. You can safely disregard about 80% of the electorate (who always vote the same way or don't show up) and concentrate on the minority who periodically change their vote.

500N 16th Oct 2012 14:59

Two very pertinent articles in the Age today.

Gillard files are missing
Documents detailing PM's involvement in a union slush fund from which ex-boyfriend stole have disappeared.


Australia bound ............. at any cost
Nothing will stop Sri Lankan Tamils from boarding boats
in search of a better life.

Read more: Australia bound ... at any cost

allan907 16th Oct 2012 15:23

Anybody else here struck by the disparity between the shrill shrieking of The Liar about Coalition Cowardice and the more measured and statesman like demeanour of Greg Morrison on the subject of border protection and the Coalition dealings with the Indons?

500N 16th Oct 2012 15:36

Yes. A sign of desperation.

Labor playing for the 30 second sound bite on the news
so playing to the masses, those who understand these things
- as has been pointed out here - know what they are doing.

owen meaney 16th Oct 2012 21:33

Clare, you have a brilliant mind. That newspeak quote is so true of the wordsmithing going on.
I can see parallels between Orwels world(s) and current wold paradigm. The pretend war and changing alliances, one year backing Taliban against USSR, the decade later fighting Taliban in same country. Same can be said of the middle east wars.

WITW, Red, the red healer says she is not happy with your analogy about dogs and politicians. She reckons that brown snakes are the lowest form of life, although this was after she snuck in under my swing and "rattled" the snake to death.

Worrals in the wilds 17th Oct 2012 00:25


WITW, Red, the red healer says she is not happy with your analogy about dogs and politicians.
My apologies to Red. Jeez, I was on a rant last night. Cheap therapy I suppose, even factoring in the cost of the wine...:O:}

owen meaney 17th Oct 2012 01:24

Worrals, Red is even more confused now, she has a good eye for misogynists, she only chases the mailbloke cause he is one - in fact was called a crazy bitche in recent discussion with him.
What has cuased the confusion? - the recent decision by the Newspeak Australian dictionary to change the meaning of Misogyny.


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