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sisemen 10th Jun 2013 05:37


Rumours about changing Labor leaders should be filed under "fiction" - and there are better books to read, the parliamentary secretary to the prime minister says.

Dr Andrew Leigh is among several Labor MPs hosing down growing leadership speculation as polls show once-safe seats are at risk in the September federal election.

"This is definitely in the fiction category," Dr Leigh told ABC radio on Monday.

"It can be safely filed away there and there are frankly more interesting books to read."

Dr Leigh says that "hand on heart" he's not had a single conversation with colleagues about changing leaders.
That's it then - done and dusted. It's obvious that there IS going to be a change of leadership very soon.

500N 10th Jun 2013 07:06

RJM

Valid Points.


On a separate point, the media and the "other party" - not the one caught
coming out of the brothel - shouldn't be too quick to throw stones unless
the closet is free of skeletons - which it isn't !!!

In any case, I would have thought that casting such juicy delights
in the media only brings the polliesinto disrepute, something they
do well enough themselves without any additional help :O

RJM 10th Jun 2013 08:38

Too true, 500N.


"This is definitely in the fiction category," Dr Leigh told ABC radio on Monday.
"There will be no carbon tax..." "A surplus, no ifs no buts..." etc etc

Why believe anything they say, except in this context:

Paul Keating quoting his early mentor, Jack Lang: ''In the race of life, always back self-interest - at least you know it's trying.''

I think we're almost down to that now - gloves off, end game, vinegar stroke - whatever you like to call it.

SOPS 10th Jun 2013 08:51

What amazes me, is that it's taken this long for these clowns to work out they are in serious trouble. What was it, that they were expecting to happen? A sudden huge bounce in the polls? Or have they had their collective heads buried so deep in the sand, that they simply did not realise what was going on out in the electorate?

What ever the reason, they have a real problem now. Julia is despised by voters, no one else would really want to step up and commit, what would be, effectively political suicide, and the last time Kevin tried, they rubbished him so badly, that should he get the gig, the opposition would have a field day.

I bet, internally, the labor party is tearing itself apart.

sisemen 10th Jun 2013 09:16


What amazes me, is that it's taken this long for these clowns to work out they are in serious trouble
I think that O'Bummer has given them a transcript of this thread from the PRISM files :E

SOPS 10th Jun 2013 10:13

And in further news, it has just been announced, that a British oil tanker, rescued 78 Sri Lankans, and dropped them off at Christmas yesterday.

They were found drifting with no food or water. :ugh::ugh:

Flying Binghi 10th Jun 2013 10:31


...the odd visit to the knock shop is no bar to high office, but there are alot of tut-tutting voters out there who'd be put right off...
He's from the labor party so I doubt the electorate would believe he did anything anyway..:)

Whats that saying... that useless, couldn't organise a bonk in a whorehouse.







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Flying Binghi 10th Jun 2013 10:42

I hear Subway stores near schools will be offering a new sandwich. Its called "Ammunition"..:)



Got yer invite to a party yet - Cartoon By Paul Zanetti - The Pickering Post







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Saltie 10th Jun 2013 13:53

Mark Latham on QandA said that John Howard was right on his asylum seeker policy and that he (Latham) was wrong.

While this was a very thinly disguised swipe at Rudd, (no surprise from Latham), it still should excite some comment in tomorrow's press.

Flying Binghi 10th Jun 2013 14:49

Australia comes third, no, forth. Allah comes first...

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SOPS 10th Jun 2013 16:20

Re the video, we have a big problem........

david1300 10th Jun 2013 23:37

Quite funny, this: Latham on Rudd "He knows that every day he gets in the media cycle he's knocking Gillard down a notch or two in the polls. This is a program, a jihad of revenge, the like of which we have never seen before in the history of Australian politics. And it goes beyond the normal human reaction of revenge. You are getting into the realm of evil."

What is Latham doing except taking rtevenge on the Labor Party that dumped him, by highlighting it's shortcomings for all to see. The ALP is totally dysfunctional, driven by personal ambition and revenge.

FORMER Labor leader Mark Latham says the party would be better off losing the election rather than electing Kevin Rudd leader.
During an appearance on the ABC's Q&A on Monday night, Mr Latham accused Mr Rudd of sabotaging the party's election campaign in 2010 and preparing to do it again for this year's election.
Mr Latham said Mr Rudd's ego is out of control and he must not be rewarded.
"He knows that every day he gets in the media cycle he's knocking Gillard down a notch or two in the polls. This is a program, a jihad of revenge, the like of which we have never seen before in the history of Australian politics. And it goes beyond the normal human reaction of revenge. You are getting into the realm of evil."
Despite polls that indicate Mr Rudd would give Labor a better chance in the election than Julia Gillard, Mr Latham said the party would better off "dying on is feet".
AS Julia Gillard arrives in Brisbane today, research showing voters are still angry at how Rudd was dumped is fuelling the last-minute attack on her leadership.
WITHIN Labor ranks there is a palpable sense things cannot be any worse with Kevin Rudd rather than Julia Gillard, and the likelihood is they will be better.
He said rank and file members should elect the party leader.



"The current caucus has lost the moral right to select the leader," he said.

No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

September cannot get here soon enough

500N 10th Jun 2013 23:47

" The ALP is totally dysfunctional, driven by personal ambition and revenge."

And factions.

And the quicker they get a strong leader in, the better for both sides.
Hopefully, one day, the factions will have less power and not be
such a blight on the labor party, letting the leader pick the best
people for the job instead of which side of the fence they sit on.

CoodaShooda 11th Jun 2013 00:26


letting the leader pick the best
people for the job instead of which side of the fence they sit on
Like bouncing Canberra-dweller, Nova Peris into the number one spot on the NT's Senate ticket? :hmm::E

500N 11th Jun 2013 00:31

Yep, that would be a good example.

I wonder if she is actually going to win the seat ?

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2013 01:10


FORMER Labor leader Mark Latham says the party would be better off losing the election rather than electing Kevin Rudd leader.
IMO Latham is absolutely correct. The ALP needs to rid itself of the trio of tossers, but Rudd is just frightening. His ego is completely out of control, and unfortunately it's being fed further by his adoring fans in the print media.

I've never seen such a disconnect between what the press is running versus what people on the ground seem think of him. While neither the press
nor I are the be-all of public opinion :\, IME the constant Kevvy Rulz propaganda in the Courier Mail is totally the opposite of Brisbane's campfire gossip at the moment. If anything I think it's actually turning people against him.

Ascend Charlie 11th Jun 2013 01:22

Gillard tells Rudd: "I'm not going anywhere!"

Dead right there, Joooolya, you've been going nowhere for far too long. We need somebody who will "mooove four-word" rather than go nowhere. Give us Kevin back, or even give us Mista Rabbit, but get rid of the Prime Menstruator.

sisemen 11th Jun 2013 01:28

Latham's opinion of Krudd is very long standing. He is very scathing of him in his book "The Latham Diaries". Certainly no love lost between 'em.

500N 11th Jun 2013 01:31

Still true what Latham said, the problem is because Latham said it,
it will get lost on a lot of people.

Keep Julia in, have a BIG clean out after the election
and hopefully, rebuild the right way.

The problem is, Rudd will probably keep his seat where as some
others will lose who might be good in the party in the future.

Flying Binghi 11th Jun 2013 05:02

...Yep, she's taking it all the way to the bunker..:hmm:








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Flying Binghi 11th Jun 2013 05:42

Malcolm Turnbull is the disaster in waiting for the Libs...

Coalition asylum seeker policy: Abbott dismisses Turnbull's doubts on turning back boats - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)







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500N 11th Jun 2013 06:17

Had to laugh.

Someone suggested Gillard's dog would be the best leader :O

SOPS 11th Jun 2013 08:52

And it continues, two planes are searching for a boat, thought to be a week overdue. (how do they know it's a week overdue? Are these people publishing timetables now?) I know we have to go and rescue these IAMs, but just what the hell is it costing? Think if that money could go to Australians in need.

500N 11th Jun 2013 08:57

SOPS

A week overdue, today being Tuesday would put it in the same
"window" as the other boat that sunk.

And we certainly had enough planes and boats looking
all over last week.

Saltie 11th Jun 2013 09:07

The pundits are already talking up how difficult it's going to be for Abbott to stop the boats.

He really needs to pull off two or three very well-publicised turnbacks within days of taking power - if not on the day he takes power. It's a dead certainly that any boat arriving after Sept 14th will capsize or founder the moment an Australian vessel (or even aircraft) appears on the horizon, so, as others have mentioned before me, the Australian border protection authorities need to have a 'throwaway' vessel (or vessels) immediately to hand to load the asylum seekers on to. Alternatively, aircraft should stay well clear, (relying on radar only), and anything larger than a zodiac should stay well below the horizon to help prevent the asylum seekers from sabotaging their boat.

It won't be pretty. It might (almost certainly will) involve trussing up each and every asylum seeker and keeping them under close guard until well back into Indonesian waters so they can't sabotage the second boat.

I'd go so far as to suggest that some asylum seekers will self-harm, possibly quite seriously, in an attempt to be taken straight to Perth or Darwin.

I just hope Abbott's team have approached senior officers who have first hand experience of intercepting these boats - both Navy and Customs - ahead of time for suggestions on how best to handle a turnback with a hundred+ very unwilling returnees. They can't wait to start planning what to do until after the election.

Both politically and in sending a message to potential clients of the people smugglers, to have any effect, they have to be able to get it right with the very first boat that appears after the election and turn it, or at least its passengers, back without delay.

Ken Borough 11th Jun 2013 12:09

Abbott's mob will never turn te boats around. His caveat says it all: 'when it is safe to do so'. They will soon learn, even if they won't admit it now, that it will NEVER be safe to do so. Pity tat so many gullible Australians believe Abbott, Morrison and co.

Andu 11th Jun 2013 12:50

Is it a bit lonely there in hard core, rusted-on Labarland, Ken? I listened to the ALPBC interviewing people in western Sydney this morning, asking them if a leadership switch would change their vote. An amazing number said that they wouldn't vote for Gillard, but that they would vote Labor if Rudd took the helm again. (They don't seem to realise that the Faceless Union Men can ditch him again after the election for their second string puppet, Short Bill.)

There was one who said he was "labor through and through, and would vote Labor whatever they did". The other interesting thing was that everyone they interviewed spoke with an English as a second language accent. Every one of them. But that's today's Sydney.

Buster Hyman 11th Jun 2013 13:47

At least some of us weren't gullible to believe the "No carbon tax" or "Budget surplus nailed on"...:hmm:

500N 11th Jun 2013 14:00

Saltie

He could just hire one of the cruise ships or if really needed,
one of the Navy ships.

But I do agree, they have to ship some back asap after 14th Sept
as a "show of force" and keep doing it.

And block your ears for the lefties (and Greens) who scream !

Andu 11th Jun 2013 14:27

Gawd yes. Kleenex are increasing their Kleenex production in expectation of SHY's tears for the camera when the first Liberal boat (as opposed to a 'Labor boat') sinks/lists/turns around/springs a leak/is particularly overcrowded/whatever.

500N 11th Jun 2013 14:29

They had one of the Greens on the other day on TV speaking
about that boat that sank, talk about a bleeding heart and blaming
Aus for everything.

SOPS 11th Jun 2013 14:44

Interesting, for those that have not seen it
 
Rudd launching 'revenge jihad' as pollster predicts huge Labor loss - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The interview with the labor pollster is very interesting

sisemen 11th Jun 2013 17:56

So Dullard returns to the scene of one of her "triumphs" and bigs up the feminist cause with ridiculous claims about abortion - not realising that the electorate can see right through her. One day she's going to wake up and realise that McTurden and his team of spinmeisters are actually not doing her any favours at all.

Still, one piece of good news - Western Australia has told her and Melissa Parkes (the Liebor MP for Freo) to go an fark off using a WA Government educational establishment that they were hoping to use for a fund-raiser on Wednesday evening. Dullard must rue every time that she sets foot in WA :}

Saltie 11th Jun 2013 22:57

While the Australian government uses actors to make advertisements to put on Kabul TV urging (suggesting?) that Afghans should not risk making the journey to Australia, you can guarantee that the audience for this

Asylum seeker documents journey - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

is somewhat wider.

One comment by Haider, the middle aged man who endured six weeks in detention before being released on a bridging visa (and not permitted to work), was interesting. "The first time I collected the money from the Australian government, I was embarrassed."

The first time.

Don't worry, dig. You'll get over that, as I'm sure you have already.

The last comment by the successful asylum seeker on the clip above says it all. Overlooking Sydney Harbour and the Sydney Opera House, which he is capturing on his state of the art iPhone, she says "This is a beautiful city. I am putting this on Facebook to show all my friends."

Translation, (to borrow a phrase from an old Oz TV game show): "Come on down!"

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2013 23:53


Is it a bit lonely there in hard core, rusted-on Labarland, Ken?
As lonely as it was in hard core, rusted-on Liberal land when Howard's government got tossed out, complete with Howard on top (or at the bottom) of the pile? ;)
There are swings and roundabouts in politics, and both sides retain a core level of support however badly they misbehave. There are still about 25% of people in the community who believe the ALP is doing a good job (though I'm not one of them), so accusing Ken of being a lone voice in the wilderness is incorrect. Many more people will vote Labor even though they're not happy with their performance, because they simply don't trust the Libs. I'd be surprised if the Labor primary vote fell below 40%, though I've been surprised before. :}

Meanwhile, as for 'turning back the boats' I think it's going to be interesting to see how that works out for the Coalition. Short of sinking a few and leaving people to drown (and I know some of you probably aren't against that, though I can't see the Navy or Customs buying into it for a minute) I forsee issues with the practicalities, particularly with the boats coming direct from Sri Lanka rather than via Indonesia.

The last comment by the successful asylum seeker on the clip above says it all. Overlooking Sydney Harbour and the Sydney Opera House, which he is capturing on his state of the art iPhone, she says "This is a beautiful city. I am putting this on Facebook to show all my friends."
I didn't see it but I think you're right. Economic refugees, not poor, war torn peasants, and I wish there was a workable solution; apart from anything else it just delivers easy money to the criminals who run the boats. I just don't think the Libs will find the problem as easy to control as they're touting.

Buster Hyman 11th Jun 2013 23:58

I still think the best idea was the one where we would accept refugees from UN sanctioned camps, where their status as a refugee has been confirmed, in a two for one deal. We'll fly 200 country shoppers to the UN refugee camps & take 400 back on the return trip. That would kill the smuggling operation once word got out.

500N 12th Jun 2013 00:00

I wonder how much of this money they get given goes back to pay for more people ?

How come an AS has the latest and greatest smart phone ?

How about we put them to work from 10 - 3 every day doing
things for the council ? Not taking jobs, building things or
something.

God we waste money in this country.

Worrals in the wilds 12th Jun 2013 00:58


How about we put them to work from 10 - 3 every day doing things for the council ? Not taking jobs, building things or
something.
I agree. It's not good for people to sit around all day; that's when you get trouble. It was never their decision to be denied work. The government did that. :yuk:

Flying Binghi 12th Jun 2013 02:42

"...Itís an insult to every woman in the country who has forged a career on merit - not as some quota queen patronised and secretly reviled by male rivals.

Gillard is living proof of what happens when quotas are enforced. Incompetence is rewarded. Untrustworthiness is rewarded. Fakery is rewarded..."



PM spouts a load of femi-nonsense even she couldn?t possibly believe | Daily Telegraph Miranda Devine Blog



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500N 12th Jun 2013 03:00


"
Gillard is living proof of what happens when quotas are enforced. Incompetence is rewarded. Untrustworthiness is rewarded. Fakery is rewarded...""

+ 100

I hate it when people talk quotas. Not sure whether most women like it
but I do for exactly the reasons above.

All good for women to move on and up but please, on merit.

I notice that the Lib deputy Julie Bishop came out all guns blazing after Gillard's speech.





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