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Fliegenmong 4th Jun 2013 12:29

KB

She had carriage of the Bill through the Parliament, and successfully saw it in our enacted law.

Yeah maybe, fair enough.....so long as you never make mention that Tony Abbot made secret deals with, later reneged under the guise of 'listening to the public', Red Witch herself over Cash for Votes

Let us not fool ourselves into thinking that Mr Abbott, is above secret deals with,....the worst PM we've ever had........we'll expect the MSM to conveniently drop this without further word.....

I've not been watching much news / current affairs etc. lately, but I do know the way the MSM support the right so obviously, and how the likes of channel 9 etc. pander to the lowest common denominator......how the ugg boot beanie wearing bogan from Broadmeadows thinks John Winston was a marvel whilst also being ignorant of John Winston robbing him blind with work choices, whilst simultaneuolsy showering him with middle class welfare :rolleyes:

But what Abbott is doing, from what I can see of things, is copying Rudd in 2007, the 'Small Target'.....

A minor hiccup was being caught out collaborating with our worst PM ever, no real Biggy, when you know the MSM will tow the party line............:hmm:

Ken Borough 4th Jun 2013 12:53

Fliegs

Agree with most of what you say! There's a lot of things we shouldn't forget about the Leader of the Opposition, such as

* the way in which he openly disparaged the motives of the dying anti-asbestos campaigner Bernie Banston

* his shameful:mad:television performance when he was challenged about saying 'shit happens'

* his revelation that he could only be believed if the matter was in writing, but like JHW, he seems to have a policy of core and non-core promises.

I fear for this country when Abbott attains office. We are not served very well with the current mob but the alternative is not an attractive option. I bet the Jesuits are wondering where they went wrong when schooling Messrs Abbott, Hockey, Pyne and Joyce who have hearts of flint IMHO.

What does MSM stand for?

Buster Hyman 4th Jun 2013 13:30


how the ugg boot beanie wearing bogan from Broadmeadows thinks John Winston was a marvel whilst also being ignorant of John Winston robbing him blind with work choices, whilst simultaneuolsy showering him with middle class welfare :rolleyes:
WTF? :suspect:

500N 4th Jun 2013 13:45

Buster

That was my thought as well. I always thought Broady was Labor.

Buster Hyman 4th Jun 2013 13:49

It is, and always has been. The comment looks to have been directed at an individual that resides in the area, but still eats bacon & doesn't follow the other sheeple in the area...I'll wait & see.

sisemen 4th Jun 2013 15:20

Just over a hundred days out and now, following the latest Newspoll disaster, even the ALPBC are coming out of their cave to mock. The writing must be on the wall.

I am torn between wanting to see her thrown out on her well-lobed ear now or waiting until 14 Sep when I can play my small part in the process.

CoodaShooda 4th Jun 2013 20:52

Ken, I hope you realise that your comment about the Jesuits would have been proscribed under NR's proposed Anti-Discrimination law.

In fact, this whole thread would have been in breach.

But that would have been irrelevant because we would have been prevented from accessing Pprune by Conroy's Internet filter.

It looks like the choice is between flint hearted bible bashers and a bunch of (dis)organised thugs and criminals.

Fliegenmong 4th Jun 2013 21:45

The comment was not directed at any individual....broadmeadows rolled off the tongue well with all the other 'b' words before it that was all.....:p...it was directed to the simpletons, otherwise once referred to as howards battlers...the middle class welfare beneficiaries who were too blind to see they were about to get raped...dry :eek: (you know the policy you hate hearing anyone mention...w...c.....s :rolleyes: )

Oi Cooda!! For criminals, lets not forget Maryjo Fisher! he he:ok:

True Ken, treatment of Bernie was a disgrace....especially coming from a 'christian'... and the other points you mention...

But now we know he does secret deals with HER! Is there not a level too low for TA to stoop to??

Buster Hyman 4th Jun 2013 22:43

Okay. Well, like the Red Witch & the rest of her cronies, you may not realise that Broadmeadows is a strong ALP heartland & you could probably count on one hand the amount of Liberal votes in that electorate.

CoodaShooda 4th Jun 2013 23:52


lets not forget Maryjo Fisher!
Ah yes. Committed a shoplifting offence while suffering a mental illness and did the proper thing of resigning her seat.

Obviously up there with the union (robber) barons and their fellow travellers.:p

Perhaps a better comparison to throw in would be Peter Slipper. He's a bit of a bible basher too. :E

sisemen 5th Jun 2013 01:03


A warning from one of the PM's loyal supporters that the government was "dead" in western Sydney unless it fixed the asylum seeker issue.

The dire situation prompted extraordinary public statements yesterday from several senior MPs, both supporters of Julia Gillard and Mr Rudd.

Queensland Labor backbencher Graham Perrett admitted: "We're in more trouble than Indiana Jones."

And Hunter MP Joel Fitzgibbon appeared to mock the PM on morning television when he pretended to read out orders on how he should respond to the polls. "I just brought the manual with me," Mr Fitzgibbon said before breaking into laughter.
It's a world of pain out there for Labor. And Kuddly Krudd is still on the sidelines giving "advice". Almost time to get out the popcorn, draw up a chair, and sit back and watch the blood-letting. :E

parabellum 5th Jun 2013 01:15



* his shamefulhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.giftelevision performance when he was challenged about saying 'shit
happens'
And while we are at it let us not forget the shameful way that Channel 7 set this all up and then went about reporting it totally out of context in order to show Abbott in the worst light possible, known world wide as sh*t stirring. It was an eavesdropped remark, (using electronic devices), made by a senior politician to a senior ADF officer, not a press conference, they both understood each other and the ADF never complained.

david1300 5th Jun 2013 01:59


Originally Posted by Fliegenmong (Post 7876801)
KB

She had carriage of the Bill through the Parliament, and successfully saw it in our enacted law.

Yeah maybe, fair enough.....so long as you never make mention that Tony Abbot made secret deals with, later reneged under the guise of 'listening to the public', Red Witch herself over Cash for Votes

Let us not fool ourselves into thinking that Mr Abbott, is above secret deals with,....the worst PM we've ever had........we'll expect the MSM to conveniently drop this without further word.....

I've not been watching much news / current affairs etc. lately, but I do know the way the MSM support the right so obviously, and how the likes of channel 9 etc. pander to the lowest common denominator......how the ugg boot beanie wearing bogan from Broadmeadows thinks John Winston was a marvel whilst also being ignorant of John Winston robbing him blind with work choices, whilst simultaneuolsy showering him with middle class welfare :rolleyes:

But what Abbott is doing, from what I can see of things, is copying Rudd in 2007, the 'Small Target'.....

A minor hiccup was being caught out collaborating with our worst PM ever, no real Biggy, when you know the MSM will tow the party line............:hmm:

Well, this made I larf, it did. Nothing at all defensible in ALP policy implementation, or competence of ALP people, just a tired old 'let me scare the children with the bogey-man' approach. Larfing, I am, rolling on the floor larfing :*

david1300 5th Jun 2013 02:06

And this made me laugh even more
 
Kevin Rudd calls for discipline in Labor, telling MPs to 'pull their heads in'

KEVIN Rudd has directed Labor MPs to "pull their heads in" as a growing sense of panic grips the party.
The former prime minister made a rare appearance at the doors of parliament this morning to counsel fellow Labor MPs, amid a breakdown in party discipline.
“(They should) pull their heads in and get on with the business of ensuring that Tony Abbott does not become the next prime minister of the country,” Mr Rudd told reporters.
He issued the instruction as Julia Gillard was urged to dump her “spin merchants” and speak honestly to voters.

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Worrals in the wilds 5th Jun 2013 02:23


Kuddly Krudd is still on the sidelines giving "advice". Almost time to get out the popcorn, draw up a chair, and sit back and watch the blood-letting.
When the battle's lost and won, the first thing the ALP needs to do is neutralise Kevin. He's a festering sore that just won't shut up. :ugh:

All three of them (Rudd, Gillard and Swan) need to be packed off overseas to some mates rates type jobs ASAP on condition that they never speak to the media again. :suspect:

parabellum 5th Jun 2013 02:42



All three of them (Rudd, Gillard and Swan) need to be packed off overseas to
some mates rates type jobs ASAP on condition that they never speak to the media
again.
Vacancies currently exist at a UNHCR camp in the Sudan, or is that too good for them?!

sisemen 5th Jun 2013 02:56

I was hoping, for Gillard at least, an all-expenses paid holiday at Tarrengower near Maldon, Vic

Tarrengower Prison - Corrections, Prisons & Parole Victoria

SOPS 5th Jun 2013 03:00

Julia...speak honestly?? There is no way she could ever do it, besides no one is listening anyway. I was in a waiting room yesterday, and when she came on TV a person got up a changed the channel....it's all over for Labor, thank God.
BTW, another boat with 104 country shoppers just arrived:ugh:

gupta 5th Jun 2013 03:33

The bit from the 7:30 report that made me almost drop my cuppa was when Leigh Sales asked Laurie Ferguson something along the line of:
So is the voting public too naive to decide for itself?
Answer
Yes

sisemen 5th Jun 2013 04:05

The transcript:


LEIGH SALES: But firstly, aren't people smart enough to understand that it's a complex problem and secondly, isn't the issue that people just want to know that you're going to do something to stop asylum seekers getting on boats, that's what they want to hear?

LAURIE FERGUSON: No, I don't think people think it's complex. I think that they've got a view now that somehow Tony Abbott after September is going to solve this. I don't think he can and I think we've got to focus on that.

LEIGH SALES: Do you really think that people are that naive, that they look at it in such a simple fashion?

LAURIE FERGUSON: Absolutely. I think that because we've abandoned the field, people don't take notice that he's moved from 'stop the boats' to substantially reduce, that the time line for when they're going to actually do something has blown out, and that we're going to depend on some secret, not to be revealed conversations between Julie Bishop and Indonesian ministers, that's ridiculous and I think we've got to get stuck into them.

david1300 5th Jun 2013 04:26

Well, he must be smoking some pretty strong stuff to believe his own bullsh*t. So we are too naive. Let me tell you something, Laurie, mate. We are not stupid or naive, and come sweet September your peers in the ALP will receive such a kick in the orifice from which you blow your smoke that they won't sit down for months!

CoodaShooda 5th Jun 2013 04:32

Step 1. Only accept applications for asylum from border hoppers who can formally identify themselves.

Step 2. Any that can't produce ID are immediately flown back to the country of embarkation or their claimed country of origin - as you would someone refused entry at the border. No cash settlements of any sort!

Step 3. Tell the UNHCR to butt out of internal affairs. :E

It's only as complex as you chose to make it.

500N 5th Jun 2013 04:56

Cooda

Well said.

And after step 1, process them quickly and piss them off quickly
if not true AS's. If they want to appeal, they can do some from
another country.

And piss the UN off altogether !!!

SOPS 5th Jun 2013 05:44

:ok:For Cooda

Worrals in the wilds 5th Jun 2013 06:10

Cooda,
We could do all of that if we withdrew from the Convention.
Step 0.5. Withdraw from the Convention. It doesn't mean you stop accepting genuine refugees; far from it. Neither the US nor India are signatories and they take heaps of refugees. It does mean that the country can set its own guidelines.


The bit from the 7:30 report that made me almost drop my cuppa was when Leigh Sales asked Laurie Ferguson something along the line of:
So is the voting public too naive to decide for itself?
Answer Yes
This is left wing ALP thinking at its worst. After their well deserved Queensland electoral bloodbath there were many ALP experts saying the same thing; that the public didn't know what they were voting for :ugh:. The public knew exactly what they were voting for and many of us dreaded it, but we did it anyway, because the ALP had left us with no realistic alternative :sad:.

The same thing will happen federally, but it's not caused by voter ignorance. It's caused by political ignorance, incompetence and their complete inability to understand the real world their would-be supporters live in.

CoodaShooda 5th Jun 2013 07:40

Worrals
Agreed. I think most of us agree with the orderly acceptance of genuine refugees.
But don't stop with revoking our acceptance of the Convention.
There's a whole raft of UN conventions that need to be withdrawn from. :E
Only problem is that it means the Feds have to hand control back to the states.
Would this be a bad thing? :}

Andu 5th Jun 2013 07:48

Just heard on Sky News.

"The Australian "gummit" (not) wishes to announce the arrival of today's scheduled service from points unknown (yeah, right) to Darwin. Today's boat brought 79 country shoppers to the Promised Land."

How's that MCG filling, Julian?

Fliegenmong 5th Jun 2013 08:25

Be all over on the 15/9/2013 Andu, or very soon therafter anyway :ok:

Fliegenmong 5th Jun 2013 08:38

Quote

Well, this made I larf, it did. Nothing at all defensible in ALP policy implementation, or competence of ALP people, just a tired old 'let me scare the children with the bogey-man' approach. Larfing, I am, rolling on the floor larfing

Why do you Laugh so??....Davo??? :confused: :p

And why Larf anyway??? I'm not up on young person speak, like the ever so irritating young guy at work, who says first thing in the morning 'What Up?' :ugh: He's an utter [email protected], whereas I'm sure you're not!

Anyway, I personally find nothing funny in next the PM's moral capacity, or lack thereof, to make secret deals with the worst PM in history, and then SPIN out of it!!

But if you're happy with it......

CoodaShooda 5th Jun 2013 08:55

Fleigs
If it helps, it is unlikely that Gillard and Abbott personally discussed the legislation. That would have been left to minions.
The full proposal included a number of useful amendments, including lowering the threshold for public disclosure of donations from $12500 to $1000.

Come to think of it, that was probably why the parties wanted the Bill sunk.

Abbott just made the better political move; outpointing Gillard. Nothing new there.

Expect to see a raft of labor pollies come out critical of their leader. Anything to suck up to the electorate and drag a few votes back.

Fliegenmong 5th Jun 2013 09:27

Yeah Cooda, I'm sure they never sat in a cafe and hatched it between themselves like that! But why would they want the Bill sunk if they had hatched it in the first place???

My Old Aunties Blind Kelpie would outpoint dullard right now!!

I expect you're right Cooda!, I also expect TA to continue on the' Ruddesque' like small target path!

Anyway off to watch the Mighty Maroons!! :)

Captain Sand Dune 5th Jun 2013 10:07


LEIGH SALES: But firstly, aren't people smart enough to understand that it's a complex problem and secondly, isn't the issue that people just want to know that you're going to do something to stop asylum seekers getting on boats, that's what they want to hear?

LAURIE FERGUSON: No, I don't think people think it's complex. I think that they've got a view now that somehow Tony Abbott after September is going to solve this. I don't think he can and I think we've got to focus on that.

LEIGH SALES: Do you really think that people are that naive, that they look at it in such a simple fashion?

LAURIE FERGUSON: Absolutely. I think that because we've abandoned the field, people don't take notice that he's moved from 'stop the boats' to substantially reduce, that the time line for when they're going to actually do something has blown out, and that we're going to depend on some secret, not to be revealed conversations between Julie Bishop and Indonesian ministers, that's ridiculous and I think we've got to get stuck into them.
The ALPBC have abandoned any vestige of impartiality. They may as well admit they will be campaigning for Liarbour.

Worrals in the wilds 5th Jun 2013 14:13

IMO today's only sensible political suggestion came from Clive (:confused:) when he proposed dropping the FBT on entertainment expenses.
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Okay, so a bunch of rich businessmen get to claim their lunches. I don't care if it helps the F&B industry out; they've been hit hard by the downturn. I'd much rather see that than attacking penalty rates for already low paid hospitality workers. If it gets people back into restaurants (and it's not just rich businessmen who used to entertain, also small business people, professionals, transport companies and other miscellaneous bogans :}) then surely it's a good boost for the industry.

If nothing else, at least it sounds fun :\, which is more than any other policitcal suggestion from either side at present.

Fliegenmong 5th Jun 2013 20:17

Noooooo!! Worrals!!! Attacking the penalty rates and conditions of the already low paid is in the LNP DNA!!!!!

You can't do that!! Just look at Mothers day just gone...with restaurants setting 'set' menus at astronomical prices whilst paying the kids that serve the food (and can't be with their mothers!!!) the absolute minimum!!!

It's just not right!! The productivity commission will tell (ensure) you know as much the election after this!! :ok:

Clive's biggest mistake is taking on the 2 clowns that are ex GCCC...:hmm: Stupid stupid move that one!!

CoodaShooda 5th Jun 2013 23:45

Fair go Fliegs

You have to also factor in that the cost of doing business, employing staff and complying with more and more regulations under labor leaves very little in the bikkie barrell to pay anyone, including the owners.

Labor's had 6 years and none of the lowly paid appear to have had their lot significantly improved. Including the school kids who lost their after school jobs because of labor's minimum hours rule.

The latest economic indicators are suggesting that the bubble is well and truly bursting. So the new government will be the recipient of all of Swan's "hens come home to roost".

But you're right; the Libs will introduce policies more sympathetic to business and some short-sighted, avaricious pricks will take advantage of it.

I think I saw somewhere that someone's started the "Keep the Greens Out" party. Wonder where I can join?

Worrals in the wilds 5th Jun 2013 23:53

An Anti Green Party? I'm in. :ok:

Clive's biggest mistake is taking on the 2 clowns that are ex GCCC...http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/yeees.gif Stupid stupid move that one!!
Good point. Nothing good has ever come out of the Gold Coast City Council.

Cooda, I agree re the regulations, though a lot of them are inflicted by the state and local governments. They are at a ridiculous level, and for all the form filling I don't believe many of them have improved safety or hygiene. There are still restaurants getting busted serving ibis as chicken or with massive rat problems; if people want to cut corners they will, no matter how many forms they fill out. Much of the time the regs just penalise the honest operators.

7x7 6th Jun 2013 04:08


An Anti Green Party? I'm in
Me too.

Jason Clare's site just announced two more boats arrived yesterday.

sisemen 6th Jun 2013 04:08

Two points:

#1 - to all those who have moaned and groaned about comments on here that the IMAs (Irregular Maritime Arrivals - as they're now calling them!) were not a security problem and that all was fine and dandy with letting the "poor and oppressed" into the country willy-nilly - your beloved leader, Dullard, has now admitted that it IS a security problem!! Where are your protestations now?

#2 - Just announced that Collie in WA will take on 10 'bridging visa' families. That's 50 people folks. The local Council had to find out about it by reading it in the West Australian this morning!!!!

Now, 50 people in a small community (it's a small coal mining town set in an agricultural area) is a significant number. With the average Aussie's reputation for hospitality I have no doubt that the town will accede to their wishes to have a mosque built, halal butcher's products available and an acceptance of muslim garb. And the population will grow. If successful then more immigrants will be placed there and other small towns with similar low occupancy rates will also be targetted by the Dept of Immigration. Then you have a slow, albeit, minute take-over of communities. Not enough statistically to change the price of bread but do it in enough towns and you have the seed corn for the catastrophic change that people are warning about.

SOPS 6th Jun 2013 04:14

I was just about to post exactly the same comment Sisemen, I have friends that live in Collie, I wonder how they are feeling.

Worrals in the wilds 6th Jun 2013 06:06


#2 - Just announced that Collie in WA will take on 10 'bridging visa' families. That's 50 people folks. The local Council had to find out about it by reading it in the West Australian this morning!!!!
That's got Social Unrest written all over it. :ouch:


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