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Worrals in the wilds 2nd Oct 2012 08:58


And that's on top of all the other vicious comments dished out by the ALP and their fan club...
Let's be fair here. Both major parties have their vicious fan clubs, and far too many MPs are happy to egg them on for their own self-serving interests. If Question Time is anything to go by, many MPs we have today seem to be nothing more than fan club members themselves; howling, barking, sniping and spitting at their 'enemies' like a bunch of chimpanzees having a turf war over a bunch of bananas. :mad:

IMO the fan club members are actually a minority within the general population, but jeez they're noisy and jeez we pay 150 of them some good coin. They're the best paid chimps in showbiz. :yuk:

The Internet Age has also become the age of the noisy, howling minority, and not just with respect to politics. The rest of us reasonable people listen to them, maybe agree with a few things our team's fan club says and get upset about a few things the opposition's fan club says, and end up completely dissillusioned with politics, sport and everything else they all howl about. :(

500N 2nd Oct 2012 22:15

This from the Age this morning - albeit in an article about a survey that showed
people turning away from Facebook !

Also in the survey was:-


"They are also more pessimistic about the future, increasingly worried about their job security and scathing in their criticism of the Gillard government - but unsure whether a change to Tony Abbott's Coalition would make any difference.

Ovation 4th Oct 2012 01:40

Former Labor Party President Arrested

The Australian has reported the arrest of former Health Services Union National President Michael Williamson and he is expected to be charged with a number of offences.

Williamson Arrest

Will Craig Thomson be next? One can live in hope!

Andu 4th Oct 2012 03:16

I think Craig is about as safe as safe gets until after the next election - and if it happens then (a big 'if'), then it will be spun as a politically-driven witch hunt by 'Right Wing extremists' by the Labor luvvie media.

Of more interest at the moment is whether Michael Smith's disclosures about Ms Gillard's attack dog McTernan's forwarding of inappropriate in the extreme tweets ever gains any traction with the MSM.

Somehow I doubt it will.

Fubaar 4th Oct 2012 07:47

Julia "can't comment on a matter before the courts" ....as another 117 uninvited new arrivals turn up today at Cocos Island, presumedly Tamils.

RJM 4th Oct 2012 09:58

That's a tired old ALP excuse. I just ignore Gillard.

After all, the ALP's news organisation, the ABC, has just reported re the Pbama/Romney debate: 'Some observers gave a narrow win on points to Romney.' As usual, everyoner else is out of step with that.

And following Alan Jones' commernts at an essentially private function, where's the ALP's censure of its friends who have been critical of the Right?

Journalist Mungo MacCallum declared John Howard to be 'an unflushable turd'.

ABC First Tuesday Book Club panellist Marieke Hardy published of Brendan Nelson, "glass the c*nt''s wife and their children because they don't deserve to procreate and have any children themselves".

On the ABC's 'Drum': a demand for the genital mutilation of Tony Abbott and a call for Christopher Pyne to be raped by a dog.

After appearing on the ABC's Q&A, left-wing writer Catherine Deveny tweeted of a Coalition frontbencher and family man Peter Dutton who appeared on the same panel, "he has the face of a rapist".

On they go, the hypocrites.

allan907 4th Oct 2012 10:07

In speaking today Tony Abbott warned that screwing with the economy could lead Oz down the same road trodden by Greece etc.

Gillard then had a hissy fit accusing him of ruining our economy by saying those words.

What's to bet that if there is a downturn before the ALP gets the boot it will be blamed purely on Tony Abbott and his comments.

I16 4th Oct 2012 10:12

Junior I16 who is 16 is thumping away in the basement with his band mates tonight composing a new hit for the coming summer season.
I am sure one of the lines sounds like " wong brown slipper" 'Rox on'!

CoodaShooda 4th Oct 2012 11:56


accusing him of ruining our economy by saying those words
Must make him the most powerful person on Australia then. :E

Had to chuckle at our local ABC radio presenter deciding that the upcoming Vegetarian Challenge Week involves trying to get vegetarians to eat meat for a week, rather than its stated aim.

Not often that I find much that is entertaining on our national broadcaster.

RJM 4th Oct 2012 13:11


In speaking today Tony Abbott warned that screwing with the economy could lead Oz down the same road trodden by Greece etc.

Gillard then had a hissy fit accusing him of ruining our economy by saying those words.
Worse for Gillard, Abbott was only quoting former Commonwealth Bank and Future Fund CEO David Murray. Gillard then verballed Abbott by asserting that Abbott had said that 'our economy is in the same situation as Greece's', then attacked Abbott for being 'so irresponsible'.

Typical Orwellian word games from Gillard.

MTOW 4th Oct 2012 23:05

John McTernan will have briefed Julia Gillard and her whole team that it doesn't matter if she's proven to be wrong in 'verballing' Abbott five minutes after she does so every time she does so - the statement's out there, and like Chinese water torture, the drip, drip, drip continues and, with the all too willing co-operation of the ABC and Fairfax, the Big Lie message continues to get out to the public: "Tony Abbott BAD".

Josef Goebbles would be proud of the way this mob are following his ideas to the letter.

CoodaShooda 4th Oct 2012 23:28

Can't really blame McTernan for coming up with the AbbottAbbottAbbott smear strategy.

It's been going on since he became Opposition Leader. Indeed, it was predicted here, at the time, as Labor's probable strategy.

It's really labor politicking 101.

Worrals in the wilds 4th Oct 2012 23:34


John McTernan will have briefed Julia Gillard and her whole team that it doesn't matter if she's proven to be wrong in 'verballing' Abbott five minutes after she does so every time she does so - the statement's out there, and like Chinese water torture, the drip, drip, drip continues and, with the all too willing co-operation of the ABC and Fairfax, the Big Lie message continues to get out to the public: "Tony Abbott BAD".
And they should remember; It Didn't Work In Queensland :ouch::ouch:.
If anything, it turned more voters off. I don't think the LNP would have got the majority they did without the ALP's ill advised smear campaign against Newman, and their anything goes approach to bile. It was so blatantly manipulated, so petty and so juvenile that even lifelong Labor voters in places like Woodridge turned against them.

If anything, it showed how naive many current Labor machine workers are; they were dumb enough to think it would work. :uhoh: Seems like they're still dumb enough; maybe because most of them spend their lives on their smartphones glued to Twittsville and Facebook and in doing so, forget to step out into the real world and find out what's really important to the people who are really important, i.e. the people who tick the boxes on the big day. :hmm:

Most of those people only use Facebook to catch up with their school friends (if that) and read the good Tw1tter quotes in the paper. The McTernan's of this world fail to realise that their 'clever' Tw1tter jibes are just not relevant to the bogan majority. :zzz: People just tune them out, like life insurance ads on the telly.

Slow learners, obviously. They haven't worked out that most people aren't cool, fully sick, or whatever this week's phrase is :rolleyes:. Most people want to hear about policies, hear some dignity, think 'wow, that bloke/girl's allright, maybe I don't agree but he/she sounds smart' and then compare the policies and work out how it applies to their bank balance/job security. Either that, or they vote the same way they always do and can safely be dismissed from the equation as a constant.

Without checking for references, my guess is that Australia's two most popular PMs in recent times have been Hawke and Howard. Both from radically different sides, both successful (one as an academic, the other as a solicitor), both with their own strengths and weaknesses, and both unceremoniously shot by their own people (like prize greyhounds, this is the sad fate for most popular pollies once they get unpopular and stop winning stuff. As Ned Kelly said, Such Is Life) :ouch: :} .

However, IIRC both of them could put their point forward without resorting to Twatter and the mob. Both of them could front a media conference with style and have everyone listen and respect them, if not agree with a thing they said. Neither of them had to rely on a bunch of halfwit 'supporters' howling from the sideline spewing high school vitriol and calling for violence.

They were both good pollies and they didn't need the chimpanzees. In fact the chimpanzees were kept pretty much under control because they were great pollies, and they realised that the baying for blood isn't popular with the electorate.

I don't think the average Labor supporter buys this Tw1tter shit for one minute. Maybe the huggy lefties do, but did they save the Qld ALP? Nup. They bitched and moaned all over the internet when the government got punted, but they couldn't carry the numbers. Not by a long shot. :E

I think the average Labor supporter is bewildered at the moment, shaking their heads and thinking 'WTF happened to my party? What happened to the people I could cheer for? When did the spivs change camps and start working for the ALP, convincing them that they could replace people like Hawke and Keating (love 'em or hate 'em, they were consummate pollies) with juvenile like 'n' share campaigns on Facebook and slanging matches in the meeja about how the nasty Libs hate girls :\'?

The HSU crap doesn't help either. IME most Labor supporters are fairly blase about rorts; they expect them to happen. What they don't expect is for the rorts to be so self-serving that they surpass the cause, and they certainly don't expect the rorters to be so frigging blatant that they get caught with their snouts in the trough. :ugh::ugh:

I'm not saying this is right because I don't think it is; I just think it's so. Quiet rorting while acting for the good of the movement is one thing. Blatant rip-offs while not doing a thing for the supporters is a different matter. Before anyone from the other locker room wants to jump up and claim the high ground; the Qld National Party had the same implied agreement with their voters. When they broke it they were history; IMO likewise the current ALP high flyers.

RJM 5th Oct 2012 00:04

Well said, Worrals.

If the average Labor supporter is wondering what happened to their fine old party they need only consider the proposition that Labor is now a machine for winning elections. No more and no less.

As if further proof were needed, look at the (unfounded) continuing assault on Abbott for 'having a problem with women', a cynical ploy to pull the female vote.

After months of this, Mrs Abbott finally speaks publicly in defence of her husband.

Immediately, there are shrieks from Labor of 'See? See? He's even using his own wife for his political ends!'

parabellum 5th Oct 2012 00:13


'See? See? He's even using his own wife for his political ends!'
Almost as bad as using one's deceased Father to further one's political aims.
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Worrals in the wilds 5th Oct 2012 00:19

Thanks. :)

If the average Labor supporter is wondering what happened to their fine old party they need only consider the proposition that Labor is now a machine for winning elections. No more and no less.
However, I don't think today's Libs are any greater. IMO they've trotted out Mrs Abbot to counter the spin, rather than ignore it and have Abbot speak about political matters. As a voter, I'm not interested in anything Mrs Abbott, Mr Gillard (so to speak :\) or Mrs Hawke (1 or 2) have to say about their partner's policies. In fact, I find it a big turn off when they get paraded in front of the media. I don't vote for the spouse any more than I work for the partner of my current employer.

IMO the only exception would be Lady Flo (Florence Bjekle-Petersen) who was a much savvier pollie than her husband; a fact that was openly acknowledged by everyone except herself :suspect:.
Lady Florence Bjelke-Petersen's Famous Pumpkin Scones Recipe ABC Queensland
Have a scone :}. There is a woman who knows how to play the media, even in her nineties Lady Flo's opinion is considered important enough to report. :cool:
Lady Flo: Palmer has the right to have a go

Almost as bad as using one's deceased Father to further one's political aims.
Do you really think that happened? I didn't see it that way. Mind you, my own dear ol' dad was sick at the time (in ICU :sad:, much better now :)) so I felt some sympathy. All the cameras were pointing at her, what was she to do?

CoodaShooda 5th Oct 2012 01:20


Almost as bad as using one's deceased Father to further one's political aims.
If you are referring to her unprecedented eulogy in Parliament, I agree wholeheartedly.

Hearing it on radio triggered an immediate WTF moment and disgust at the politicisation of a private family matter.


Worrals
Glad to hear your dad's on the mend.

Fubaar 5th Oct 2012 02:17

The old truism says "Show me a man at age 20 who's not a socialist and I'll show you a man with no heart; show me a man at age 40 who's not a capitalist and I'll show you a man with no brain".

Could this be Labor's problem witn their staff? KRudd had three boys as his political advisors (which really didn't work out well) and Gillard seems to have first year uni students running far too much of her policies. It it because they have to? Is it because, apart from the mercenaries like McTernan, the Labor/Union Movement inner circle (who seem to me to in it for what they can get rather than from any true political conviction) and a few old rusted-on socialists like Doug Cameron, there isn't anyone over the age of 25 who wants to work for them?

This might explain all the puerile, half-baked, make-'em-up-on-the-run policies we've been forced to endure since 2007, AND the ongoing max-ing out of Mum and Dad's (that's us, the taxpayers') credit card.

Sven Langolier 5th Oct 2012 02:49

"Well, she would say that, wouldn't she".

End of.




:p

parabellum 5th Oct 2012 03:18



If you are referring to her unprecedented eulogy in Parliament, I agree
wholeheartedly
Yes Cooda, that was the one, followed up by the altogether OTT reaction to Jonesies little outburst, milking it for all it is worth.

Sorry to hear about your Dad Worrals, hope he well on the mend now.


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