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CoodaShooda 10th Apr 2013 06:53


“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”
I hadn't realised that was a Thatcher quote. As appropriate now as it was back in the 70's.

What with Islamists stuck in the 6th century, the Catholic Church stuck in the 12th century, Socialists stuck in the 19th century and capitalists not caring which century it is, as long as there's a buck in it, what chance that we'll see out the 21st century?

RJM 10th Apr 2013 11:58

I read today that 104 Labor state and federal parliamentarians have lost their seats since Rudd was elected. It can only be a matter if time...

Worrals in the wilds 10th Apr 2013 12:42


Because the media here is all pervasive.
And no notable Aussies died this week.

Captain Sand Dune 10th Apr 2013 22:00


How would Fairfax react if we popped the Champers & held street parties for Whitlam's death?
You can guarantee I will!
Maybe even the Silver Bodgie himself

GOUGH Whitlam's scandal-plagued government was in such bad shape by mid-1975 that ALP president Bob Hawke confided to US Embassy sources the party was almost broke due to "Whitlam stupidity".
Declassified US cables, released by WikiLeaks, reveal that Mr Hawke told an embassy source named Labatt that Mr Whitlam could not be trusted to run the economy "any place but down".
The cable, from August 12, 1975, reported on Mr Hawke's despondency on the chances of raising funds with a likely election on the way.
"He claims party is in bad financial shape, with slim prospects of 'mining old sources', most of which (were) eroded by 'Whitlam stupidity'," the cable states.
"Hawke pointed especially to Jewish backers, badly bruised by Whitlam Mid-East policy. Other potential backers shaken by 'fiscal clowning'."
It added, in abbreviated cable language: "Hawke claims, however, that Whitlam appraisal of ALP future is 'unreal' and that prime minister does not understand scope of 'parliamentary disaster' which Labor surely faces at next election'."
Labor was being torn apart by the sacking of Brian Harradine, and the Khemlani loans affair, in which the ALP ministers Rex Connor and Jim Cairns sought to loan money from Arab sources.
The Whitlam Government lost in a landslide later that year.
Mr Whitlam denied involvement in the Khemlani affair but in 1976, when he was Opposition Leader, a US Embassy cable noted: "It is now clear that Whitlam was in this affair up to his neck."

Andu 10th Apr 2013 22:08

On this morning's ABC news, a breathless report, (compiled, no doubt, at great expense to the taxpayer), from the Teachers' Union, as they attempt to drum up support for the Gonski scheme, that... wait for it... (gasp!) an increasing number of rich people are sending their children to private schools and - (I can barely hold my emotions in check as I disclose this amazing news) - an increasing number of people from the lower socioeconomic stratas of our society (wouldn't it have been easier, if not as Politically Correct, to just describe them as 'poor'?) people send their children to government schools.

And this is news?

Wasn't it always so? To hear the Teachers' Federation spokesman (sorry, spokesperson) speak, this is earth-shattering, game-changing news.




Oh, and HMAS Maitland assisted yet another boat full of asylum seekers yesterday in their journey to Christmas Island.

Saltie 10th Apr 2013 23:55

Over on the 'Margaret Thatcher is Dead' thread, a contributor calling himself 'Railway Engineer' made the following comment. I thought it worth repeating here, because it applies equally to Australia.


Unfortunately in the UK we seem to breed a really vicious and unpleasant type of Leftie.

They are completely and utterly dedicated to the rise of any form of Socialist (preferably Communist/Marxist) doctrine. They are humourless and spend their time working tirelessly towards that end.

Unable to win or counter any argument through reasoning they quickly resort to violence on an individual or organised scale, and will quickly embed themselves in any group that shows signs of being a convenient vehicle through which they can perpetrate their "class struggle".

Their wish is to keep the working man down so that he remains dependent upon State handouts and welfare payments. They then preach that these individuals are being exploited by Capitalism and that they are only kept in that condition through the wicked pursuit of Capitalism.

They preach that there is no ill that is not the fault of Capitalism and preach that only a truly Socialist (i.e. Communist / Marxist) ideology can save the working man from "exploitation".

Because of a general lack of interest in the UK, the various followers of this culture embed themselves within trade unions and other Political bodies, and through dint of Soviet style techniques they quickly take positions within these organisations from which they ostracise and remove anyone who opposes them and their goals.

Unfortunately we have an element of society who are unable to rationalise or understand this and get taken in by the various propaganda these people spout and who become willing followers and servants.

The Lefities work on the Goebbels theory that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes established fact.

The success of this can be seen in the number of ill informed comments made by a number of people on here, and who continue to refuse to accept other than what they have been brainwashed with.

As I said earlier it is totally impossible to rationalise with these people because their aim in absolute communist/marxist doctrine and rule and there is no room for compromise.
Some of his earlier posts on the same thread are worth reading as well.

sisemen 11th Apr 2013 00:57

Aha! That could be a reason why we haven't heard from Red or the others of late - they've all buggered off to their much hated Pom Land :E

MTOW 11th Apr 2013 07:09

This is a bit like a broken record.


THE HON. JASON CLARE MP
CABINET SECRETARY
MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS
MINISTER FOR JUSTICE

MEDIA RELEASE
11 April 2013

Border Protection Command intercepts vessel

HMAS Ararat, operating under the control of Border Protection Command, intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel north-west of Darwin on Tuesday night.

Initial indications suggest there are 73 passengers and two crew on board.

The vessel was initially detected by a Customs and Border Protection Dash-8 surveillance aircraft, operating under the control of Border Protection Command.

Border Protection Command will now make arrangements for the passengers to be transferred to Australian Government authorities on Christmas Island, where they will undergo initial security, health and identity checks and their reasons for travel will be established.

People arriving by boat without a visa after 13 August 2012 run the risk of transfer to a regional processing country.

MTOW 11th Apr 2013 07:15

Larry Pickering's latest two editorials


BEHIND THE TAMIL INVASION

LARRY PICKERING

It was 4pm on a Friday late last month. Alex (we will call him that) sat in his car at the gate of a property north of Yarra Glen on the outskirts of Melbourne.
It was drizzling in rain and he was waiting for a Tamil businessman he knew as Tirku who had insisted he meet a Hindu High Priest from Sri Lanka... Alex had no idea why.
A silver Prado pulled up and Alex followed it up a dirt path to a modest weatherboard house.
Tirku assisted a small tubby bloke in orange robes from the car. Alex went to greet him but the “priest” ignored him and his outstretched hand.
Another man who appeared to be Indian alighted from the car and was introduced to Alex as a builder.
Tirku owned many Melbourne rural properties and he was keen to show them around the 10 hectare Yarra Glen property.
Alex was confused because Tirku was not a close friend. They had briefly exchanged phone numbers at a council function where he had shown some interest in Alex’s Croyden assembly plant.
It was an eerie one hour visit to the property as they appeared to speak Hindi while completely ignoring Alex.
The following morning Tirku phoned Alex. “That Hindu priest is the equivalent of a Tamil pope you know, mate.” Alex still expressed total confusion so, after Tirku was assured of Alex’s confidentiality, he proceeded to explain.
It was after Tirku had explained to Alex why he was needed that Alex decided to contact The Pickering Post... “You won’t believe this”, he said to me.
I was told by Alex that apparently only a fraction of Tamils arriving here illegally are sent home. The rest are given bridging visas and let loose in the community and ordered not to work while they are being processed.
As I reported in a previous article it would take about a week for these blokes to find jobs and on this occasion Alex’s assembly plant was Tirku’s target.
Tirku was the go-to man. He was well-known in Sri Lanka and fleeced only 20% from each wage.
Alex was told he would only have to pay them half the basic wage and Tirku would arrange to transport them to and from work.
He was told not to worry about the low wage because all bridging visa immigrants are entitled to an array of benefits including 89% of the unemployment benefit through ASAS (the Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme) the Red Cross and SAS (Community Assistance Support).
Tirku had said that hundreds were already employed in landscaping, cleaning and gardening and that he had accommodation for them in Port Melbourne, Glen Waverley and Blackburn.
Others had been settled in the south eastern suburbs and Mill Park in the north.
“I thought I'd test him out”, Alex told me. “I told him I had connections with a company that provides cleaning services to a string of shopping centres in Victoria.
“He was excited at the suggestion and said if we could get together for a chat, he would pay me a brokerage fee.”
Alex continued relaying his story to me but by now he was angry, “Why should these kingpin guys be making a killing ******* with our immigration system”, he said.
“The whole damn thing is so well organised and the government is falling for it at the expense of the Aussie workers they say they are protecting!
“There’s no way one of these blokes will be working for me. You have to let people know about this, Larry, Gillard and Abbott haven’t got a ******* clue what’s going on.”
Perhaps Labor luminaries rue the day they dismantled our border protection policy... or do they even care?

A GOVT SUBSIDISED SCAM

LARRY PICKERING 7 MINUTES AGO
I apologise in advance for the “f” word but there is no way to adequately describe the latest Gillard immigration “initiative” as anything other than one, huge, stupid ****up!

Since today's previous article, “BEHIND THE TAMIL INVASION”, instances of the rort have arrived on my desk like leaves in an autumn cyclone.

As at June last year there were an estimated 60,000 people living illegally in Australia.

Those 60,000 are exclusively “overstays” and Immigration has no ability, and apparently no will, to round them up anyway.

In no way does this figure account for illegal immigrants, particularly those disappearing on “E” Bridging Visas that Labor is handing out like how-to-vote cards in a marginal seat.

Labor’s “E” Bridging Visas have been in vogue since July 13, 2012 and are used to soak up a cascading deluge of unprocessed illegal maritime arrivals they have no hope of ever processing or even housing in detention.

The $7 billion spent on illegal arrivals so far is a drop in the bucket of the borrowed money needed to address this expanding disaster.

Labor is now subsidising the biggest immigration fraud in Australia’s history... and they seem blithely unaware of it.

Many employers, beleaguered with crippling red tape and FWA impositions, are turning to saving their businesses by illegally employing cheap labour.

And why wouldn’t they when there is a Government inducement to do so?

What is happening is this:
Corrupt foreign labour head hunters are here in Oz organising work for unprocessed, illegal, maritime immigrants who are not permitted to work.
These “workers” are in demand in the backstreets because the Government is, in effect, subsidising this illegal employment with an array of payments of up to $400 per week for each illegal worker.

The beleaguered employer is easily convinced to engage them at $400 less than the applicable wage because the “worker” is earning the appropriate wage anyway, via Government assistance. The “worker” is happy, the employer is happy and the corrupt head hunter is happy getting a percentage of every wage paid and he is now working furiously to ensure the flow continues.

As these workers aren’t registered, unemployment is certain to rise with Aussies who now can’t fairly compete for a job.

As I said in a previous article if Gillard thinks her “E” Bridging Visas are an answer to Australia’s lack of borders then she lacks the common dogf**k to even begin to deal with it. (sorry about that)

It seems that everyone else can see the problem except those nongs in this Government.

Most of the “E” Bridging Visa holders are either Afghan Army deserters or defeated Tamil Tigers fearful of being charged with war crimes and we are not legally permitted to know who they are or where they are!

And if the Government ever needs to find a few of these blokes, too late, they will be lost in the 100,000 or more they have no intention to find anyway!

This exclusive Tamil story was offered to the mainstream Press. No interest. The facts were offered to the Dept of Immigration & Citizenship. Again no interest.

The Government appears more interested in tomorrow’s new airy fairy multi billion dollar “initiative”.

Today’s “initiative” of a $140 billion high-speed North to South rail service to be completed in 25 years has already been lost in howls of laughter.

Oh crumbs, I’ve seen fewer fools in a funny farm... find me a stiff Scotch will you?

SOPS 11th Apr 2013 07:20

Why is no one listening???:mad::mad::mad:

Captain Sand Dune 11th Apr 2013 08:17

Coz the regular arrival of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS is by now white noise to the masses, and therefore deemed not newsworthy by the meedja when compared to Earth-shattering events such as Kim Kardashian's expanding ass, Julya's completely pointless trip to China and what AFL player has been busted for taking performance enhancing drugs this week.

Saltie 11th Apr 2013 09:04

Two very conflicting opinions here:


(a) IMMIGRATION Minister Brendan O’Connor believes an asylum-seeker vessel that made it to the mainland is an exception, and does not herald a new strategy by people-smugglers.

(b) The Sri Lankan Navy has warned the vessel’s arrival in the West Australian port of Geraldton will encourage more people to take the dangerous voyage, believing they can evade Australia’s maritime surveillance patrols.
Which opinion would you believe?

Quite a few comments online questioning the impossible logistics of 67 people making the journey unassisted from Sri Lanka to Geraldton for 44 days on a boat of that size. There simply isn't enough space on a boat of that size to hold the fuel, water and food that 67 people would require for 44 days.

The clean and tidy state of the 67 people also was not what you'd expect of 67 people who had spent 44 days in standing room only conditions in a boat at sea. The simplest explanation was that two or more boats had set out in company and that all but the last boat had, for one reason or another, been abandoned only days, if not hours before the last boat arriving at Geraldton. Other explanations being offered include a stopover somewhere in Indonesia or a larger 'mother ship'.

I wonder if we'll ever get to hear the real story of that journey?

Probably the smartest thing the government could do is to get the pregnant women among the "asylum seekers" (not!) back onto an aeroplane without delay to nip in the bud ant attempt to establish a precedent for future boats with "anchor babies" born in Australia.

Worrals in the wilds 11th Apr 2013 10:40

That's an interesting point, Saltie.
Re anchor babies, unless the Migration Act has changed in recent times, the child of a foreign citizen is not automatically an Australian just because it is born here. I believe it's a different story in the US and UK.

Andu 11th Apr 2013 11:09

Are you sure of that Worrals? It seems unlikely to me. Our immigration policies, (at least for those coming in by the back door) are as weak as hen's urine in every other area. (I accept that for people trying to come here by the up and up route, we make it unbelievably difficult. I have a friend who's just finished the process to get residency. His initial application was refused because his photographs were the wrong size. This involved a complete re-submission, which involved much delay and additional expense.)

But given the way we're so incredibly soft on anyone who presents themselves at our borders with no paperwork, I can't believe we don't immediately grant citizenship to a baby born here.

SOPS 11th Apr 2013 11:18

Andu, your mate should just forget photos, and hop on a boat.

Worrals in the wilds 11th Apr 2013 11:42

That was the way of it in the mid 2000s. As a general rule a child got the same visa as its parent/s.
If I get a chance I'll look it up but so far it's one of those nights...:{

Andu 11th Apr 2013 12:02

You may be right, Worrals.

Birthright Citizenship for the Children of Visitors: A National Security Problem in the Making? | Center for Immigration Studies

Paragraph 3 of ‘Background’

He found, among other things, that “the overwhelming majority of the world’s countries do not offer automatic citizenship to everyone born within their borders. Over the past few decades, many countries that once did so — including Australia, Ireland, India, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Malta, and the Dominican Republic — have repealed those policies. Other countries are considering changes.”
I still feel that Saint Julian Burside of church of the bleeding heart would insure that he found a magistrate who’d overturn that particular law to keep mother, father and new baby in country.

Worrals in the wilds 11th Apr 2013 12:12

Of course, and none of those mean ASIO checks, either. Surely no potential migrant could be a nasty kwiminal! :bored::}

Here we go:
Australian Citizenship – Current citizens under Australian by birth. You have to hang in for ten years. I assume that 1. The processing times haven't gotten that bad yet and 2. There will be a change of government before then. :}

RJM 11th Apr 2013 13:39


(a) IMMIGRATION Minister Brendan O’Connor believes an asylum-seeker vessel that made it to the mainland is an exception, and does not herald a new strategy by people-smugglers.
If this arrival off Geraldton was a shock to O'Connor, the navy, airforce and the coast protection authority, then on what possible basis can Brendan O'Connor 'believe' that there are no more planned?

I've bought and lovingly varnished a big wooden baseball bat, which I intend to take with me when I vote in September. Just as a prop to cheer up the miserable sods who are bothering to hand out how to vote cards for Julia.

RJM 11th Apr 2013 20:19


(a) IMMIGRATION Minister Brendan O’Connor believes an asylum-seeker vessel that made it to the mainland is an exception, and does not herald a new strategy by people-smugglers.
Well, bugger me...


A NEW asylum boat found north of Darwin is the sixth to have attempted to reach mainland Australia in the past six weeks as people smugglers seek to take advantage of a legal loophole.

The latest vessel, carrying 75 people was intercepted off the NT on Wednesday night, a day after a boat carrying 66 Sri Lankans cruised into Geraldton Harbour, just 425km north of Perth.
So not only does another boat promptly turn up in Darwin, but apparently four others reahave reached the mainland in the last six weeks.

So not only is O'Connor's 'belief' wrong, but he spoke (as he must have) knowing about four previous similar arrivals.

As usual, this government and the truth are far apart.

owen meaney 11th Apr 2013 21:36

MTOW,
The illegals do the low level jobs that we real Australians don't want.
SAme as Mexicans in southern US.

Andu 11th Apr 2013 22:51


The illegals do the low level jobs that we real Australians don't want.
So that makes it alright, does it, Owen?

I'm told by people who should know that there's a extra nasty aspect to this racket where an immigrant gives a percentage of his wage to an agent to be given an off the books job as described by Larry Pickering. Many of these so-called 'boat people' have borrowed heavily, frequently from criminals or at least loan sharks, to find the fare on a people smuggler boat. These debts must be repaid, so quite often the debt is 'on sold' to like-minded individuals in Australia (all too often from within the same ethnic immigrant community - shades of the Italian Mafia in the US and Australia in the 1920s and 30s). The newcomer and his family are basically in thrall to these money lenders, forced to work where they're told to for whatever "wages"(!) they're offered, and in some cases, are forced into criminal (and some sources fear, possibly terrorist-related) activities.

In short, many of these poor bastards have jumped out of the frying pan into the fire, the only difference being that, now that they're living in Australia, the Australian taxpayer is helping to fund the disaster and the miserable lives they have not escaped by coming here.

I understand there has been quite bad weather in the Indian Ocean over the last week or so - even a cyclone. I wonder how many boats taking the longer route trying for the 'home run in one' haven't made it? My guess would be that if this sorry excuse for a government learned of any and thought they could keep it quiet, they would do so.

SOPS 12th Apr 2013 00:28

They HAVE lost control of the borders. It is now, nothing short of an invasion in my opinion.

500N 12th Apr 2013 01:09

Australia after the war was partially rebuilt by legal migrants,
often doing jobs Aussies didn't want or they were better skilled at.
And we are better off for it.


However, it's not migration / migrants / immigration
that people object to, it's only the illegals that come in
and get paid a fortune for doing it. Most people are
wondering WTF they work when they see this and
just say Fck that.

And then you hear the Gov't saying they can't afford
this that or the other infrastructure yet we seem to have
copious amounts of money for foreign aid, Asylum seekers
and such like.

Fcking put them to work while they wait for a decision
- in the outback, for food and bed only, no money so
we at least get something for the hassle.

500N 12th Apr 2013 02:57

"the best defence against these boats is kill off the incentive."

:ok:

Buster Hyman 12th Apr 2013 03:01

Just speaking to my Malaysian neighbour. He's furious about the whole issue. Especially considering that he emigrated the correct way & paid his way. He also despairs that there are Aussies on the streets begging & the hospitals are a mess, but "these buggers" just walk in for free & get an "easy life".

He also wondered how there cannot be money for Hospitals, but they've found $114Bn for a train track to Brissy.

dat581 12th Apr 2013 03:21

The fast rail plan is nothing more than a red herring that labour hopes will distract the voters for a few days until their next ****up. Considering the topography between Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne is the worst in the country if you are thinking of building a high speed railway $114 Billion may be on the conservative side. And what's the point? With travel times of at least two hours for Sydney to Melbourne (most likely over three hours) a flight is much faster at a little over one hour and most likely much cheaper. If the ticket is priced to regain the investment only James Packer and Gina Rinehart will be able to afford it.:ugh:

True believers are already putting posts on farcebook saying Abbott has no plan for fast rail so Labour should stay in power. He has no plan because it is not viable and never will be with Australia's population density.

Maybe Labour perceives laughter as background noise now so they can no longer hear the whole country laughing at them.

Buster Hyman 12th Apr 2013 04:02

Whatever they do, don't let the Victorian Regional rail Link Authority build it!

90k's of track (plus associated works) for $12,000,000,000 here.
1,731k's of track for the MEL-BNE would equate to $230,800,000,000!!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Captain Dart 12th Apr 2013 05:42

The 'upgraded' Melbourne - Albury track was supposed to be complete after 18 months. It is still not running properly after four years. It's a frickin' disgrace and apparently there is no one left to sue.

Saltie 12th Apr 2013 07:38

This arrived in my mailbox today from a friend who'd probably be quite comfortable with the label 'old fart'. I've seen it before, (or something similar), but it still puts things into perspective.


This is too true to be funny.

The next time you hear a politician use the word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about whether you want the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax money.

A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its releases.

A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.

A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

A billion dollars ago was only 13 hours and 12 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.

Stamp Duty
Tobacco Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Income Tax
Council Tax
Unemployment Tax
Fishing Licence Tax
Petrol/Diesel Tax
Inheritance Tax (tax on top of tax)
Alcohol Tax
G.S.T.
Property Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Vehicle Licence / Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
Carbon Dioxide Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 60 years ago and our nation was one of the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt.

We had the largest middle class in the world. Mum stayed home to raise the kids, Dad and teachers were allowed to discipline kids.

A criminals life was uncomfortable.

Boat people were kids sailing on the Harbour.

What the hell happened?

Political Correctness

Politicians

or both?

Clare Prop 12th Apr 2013 11:32

Some appropriate Churchill quotes:



There is no such thing as a good tax.

Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.

SOPS 12th Apr 2013 15:18

Now, this interesting

Crean scathing of Gillard leadership - The West Australian

Worrals in the wilds 12th Apr 2013 23:41


After his unsuccessful attempt to install Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister, Mr Crean said the destabilisation within the party would stop and Prime Minister Julia Gillard had his support.
Define 'support'! :eek:

Andu 13th Apr 2013 00:18

Since we've been discussing fanciful fast trains, let's maintain the train analogy.

It's like watching a slow motion train wreck.

The only shame is, that the longer it takes for that doomed Labor train to actually come to a grinding halt and for the dust finally to settle over the wreckage, it's tearing up a huge amount of track that we, the poor bloody taxpayers, are going to have to replace - and replace with money we don't have, thanks to the profligate spending and borrowing of this sorry shower of a (non) government.

I know it will never happen, but the best result for Australia would have to be for every one of the main Labor Pardee players to lose his - and maybe even moreso, HER seat - so that Labor could clear the decks and replace each and every one of them with fresh blood. Fresh blood that hopefully isn't contaminated with the stink of Union/Party corruption that pervades the whole sorry lot of the incumbents. (I know, I know, there'll be some who'll worry about what damage the Libs might do with such a huge majority. But let's face it - how much more damage could they do than this lot have?)

Clare Prop 13th Apr 2013 01:40

Why rebuild the Labor Pardee? They are a relic of the 1970s and are trying to drag us back there. They and the unions - in their form as big big business themselves but of course not accountable to anyone- should be disbanded and NOT allowed to rise up yet again. As far as I can see they have no relevance in this day and age. People who were fooled by their altruism disguised as "giving a shit about anyone but themselves" have seen through the charade and it seems only the hardline union people are hanging on.

Would be nice if Crean would just resign from the party and cross the floor, get rid of this lot in a vote of no confidence. Then, instead of being just another failed sacked former leader he could go down in history as someone who did something exceptional for his country. Not holding my breath though.

Still aghast at Bob Carr's remarks about Thatcher. He has been slammed in the UK news sites even by people who didn't like Thatcher and has made this country look really really bad, ignited cries of how dare he say that when Australia is "the most racist country in the world" etc etc and why has he yet again wheeled out his wife's ethnicity as some kind of justification for his behaviour.. A few commentators trying to douse the flames saying that as he was never elected by a single vote, he doesn't represent a single Australian other than himself and to ignore his virtriolic ramblings but the damage is done.. It would be bad enough coming from any politician, but the foreign minister??!!

Captain Dart 13th Apr 2013 04:32

WikiLeaks names Bob Hawke as US informant


Those of us involved in a certain momentous event in the Australian aviation industry in the very late eighties would not at all be surprised at the duplicity of this ALP icon, elder 'statesman' and 'silly old bugger'.

7x7 13th Apr 2013 04:33

Anyone studying Carr's actions since he emerged from retired obscurity and "became" (how else could you describe it?) Foreign Minister could be forgiven for thinking that he's striving, with all his might, to do on a federal level what he did to New South Wales as Premier of that State.

Both Rudd and Gillard have been described as having "the Casanova touch" (everything they touch, they f**k" - and in JEG's case, one could be forgiven for thinking that a bit of well-deserved double entrendre might have slipped in there). Carr seems hellbent on taking the blue ribbon for that by doing the Casanova even more thoroughly than both of them have so far managed to do. Although that might be seen by many as almost impossible, he seems to be going close to achieving his aim.

The saddest thing of all is to think that he might actually not be aware of what a total cockup he's been - and continues to be - since stepping back onto the world stage. Gillard embarrasses me every time she opens her mouth supposedly speaking for "Awstralya". I didn't think anyone could equal JEG in the constantly cringeworthy stakes, but Bob Carr is going very, very close.

Clare Prop 13th Apr 2013 04:45

Margaret Thatcher 'was unabashed racist' says Australian minister Bob Carr | Mail Online

AS for that Tassie bloke calling her a war criminal, well imagine if "hostile country" sent warships to Norfolk Island and tried to force the Islanders to leave or become hostages or citizens of said "hostile country" . Would we just shrug and leave them to it? This government would probably use the "do nothing" option seeing as they are only mere Australians there after all, and all our navy is too busy being a taxi service but in the Falklands case it was decided to defend the British citizens who lived there. It also helped bring down the military junta who were running Argentina at the time. Much has been written about the Belgrano and as usual the people who are making the harshest judgements weren't there. :mad::mad:

Andu 13th Apr 2013 05:23

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian


Tamils flee for cash, not from harm

BY:DINOO KELLEGHAN, IN COLOMBO From: The Australian April 13, 2013 12:00AM

IN contrast to the weary boatloads of Sri Lankans making the dangerous asylum-shopping trip to Australia, millions of different shoppers are out in force here as the island prepares for Sinhala and Tamil New Year celebrations this weekend.

This year, economists noted a change in the spending patterns - lower-income people are spending more freely than the better-paid shoppers in the capital, Colombo.

The reason? The gushing torrents of remittances home from Sri Lankans who have gone abroad for employment, often making empty claims of persecution to leapfrog others who stand patiently in long queues outside Western embassies in Colombo to get a work visa.

The hunger for foreign money is intense in Sri Lanka, born of decades of dependency on remittances from those who went overseas legally to work, and the tens of thousands who smuggled themselves out of the country during the 30-year civil war that ended in 2009. Asylum-seeking has become a habit, unconnected to reality, and the trawler that sailed into Geraldton this week with 66 Sri Lankans aboard is simply a part of that economic pattern.

The number of Sri Lankans of every walk of life who have at least one relative in Australia is astonishing. Every doctor, every lawyer, trishaw driver I have met over the past two months after returning home following 33 years in Australia has a family member in Melbourne or Sydney.

Vicariously they will ask you where you have lived, whether jobs are not plentiful, whether life is not marvellous overseas.

Yes, you can find work in Australia easily. Yes, you get money there even if you don't work. People get free houses there, money for getting a baby, sustained help in finding work. Just a little bit of hardship at the start but everyone knows you'll get there in the end, and if you go in by boat as an asylum-seeker the Australian government just has to take notice of you, and they start looking after you straight away.

These are facts, and no matter what propaganda Canberra puts out to deter people-smuggling, these facts are good enough to make many Sri Lankans make a down payment of half a million rupees to a people-smuggler and pledge to pay the rest when they start earning in Australia, plus, for Tamils blackmailed emotionally by the Tiger-controlled smuggling syndicates, a dollar a month for "Tamil welfare" for the rest of time.
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AT least five people have drowned, another 53 are missing and 14 have been rescued after spending 24 hours in the open sea following the sinking off Indonesia of their asylum boat bound for Australia.

The 14 were rescued by fishermen in the Sunda Strait last night after the sinking of their boat with 72 people aboard late on Wednesday - 24 hours earlier than first believed by Australian authorities.

Habibullah Hashimi, one of the 14 men plucked from the water off the coast of Sukabumi in West Java, said he was in the sea for about 24 hours before help finally came. The 29-year-old said there had been 72 people aboard the vessel. All were ethnic Hazaras from Afghanistan.

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HE nation must confront deep-rooted issues troubling Muslim Australians or risk inciting a "tectonic" event such as the 2005 London bombings, warns a British Muslim scholar embedded for three months in southwest Sydney's Muslim community.

Aftab Malik, 37, said a "sense of uneasiness" existed in Muslim Australia that he recognised in British Muslims before the July 7, 2005, suicide bombings by Islamist terrorists that killed 52 people, prompting a dramatic reassessment of issues.

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NATIONAL AFFAIRS
Australians answer the Syria jihad call

THE number of Australians believed to be fighting in Syria has doubled in less than six months to about 200, and ASIO is concerned that at least 100 are fighting for radical al-Qa'ida offshoot, the al-Nusra Front.

The Weekend Australian understands the Gillard government is preparing to ban al-Nusra, which has emerged as one of the most formidable brigades in the disparate coalition of groups that makes up the Syrian opposition movement.
I can remember that there was hell to pay from the government when an ex-RAAF pilot (PJ) came here in the early 70s trying to recruit some of the people he knew from the RAAF to fly as mercenaries for the Sultan of Oman against the communist Yemenis. But today, with 200 fighting in Syria? Not a squeak.

These lads are going to be a real asset to our society when they return to Lakemba, aren't they? They way Sydney's south west is already, they'll fit right in; maybe even clean out the amateurs.


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