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MTOW 27th Mar 2012 05:43

If there was ever any doubt in anyone's mind that Julia Gillard is totally out of touch with reality, she is pushing the line "who do you trust?" in her latest advertising campaign.

Talk about scoring an own goal!

Takan Inchovit 27th Mar 2012 05:46


Struth, even the Seneca1 I used to fly around in had more seats than Labor
Less seats means more baggage! :ok:

sisemen 27th Mar 2012 07:36


Talk about scoring an own goal!
It shouldn't really be a surprise. We have plenty of evidence of just how out of touch with reality the true believers are.

Personally I am pleased that the Federal mob are tracking on along exactly the same lines without deviation. It just makes the job of booting them out easier.

Worrals in the wilds 27th Mar 2012 09:32

Up there with this one...:}
http://www.tobaccocampaign.com/wp-co...moke-camel.jpg

RJM 27th Mar 2012 10:00

Zorro mate:


And now unbelievably we have a Liberal right winger in Australia openly calling for violence to be visited upon our own elected Prime Minister to remove her.
That comment was apropos this quote: "As Richo said, people just wanted to get rid of Bligh. They want to get rid of Gillard as violently as possible."

Richo is definitely not a Liberal Right winger - he is a (semi) retired ex-minister in the Hawke and Keating Labor governments and a former General Secretary of the Australian Labor Party.

RJM 27th Mar 2012 13:55

Surely we should expect better than this from our highest representative.


She has travelled 10,000 kilometres to find Koreans asking the same questions that Australian voters are asking back home.

"Why do you think she didn't answer my question?", asked a law student, Yoon Hye In, after Ms Gillard's speech at Yonsei University yesterday afternoon.

Ms Gillard had stuck word-for-word to her script on "Australia and Korea, Partners and Friends" and Ms Yoon had asked her an on-topic question about racial discrimination faced by her relatives and friends in Australia.

Ms Gillard answered that "we do stand resolutely with you on security challenges", leaving the student bewildered, and a little upset.

Korean students are one of Australia's largest export markets, paying close to a billion dollars a year to Australian colleges and universities.

Ms Gillard's second question was from Ken Yun, head of the Korean arm of accounting firm KPMG.

Mr Yun's father in law founded the steel mill POSCO, which is a major investor in Australia and probably the single largest buyer of Australian exports, thanks to its hunger for Australian coal and iron ore. The current POSCO chief was sitting next to him, in the front row.

Mr Yun had asked Ms Gillard what she thought about the matter closest to his heart: the plight of 100,000 North Korean refugees who have crossed the border into China, many of whom are repatriated and shot.

He had expected Ms Gillard would have a view on one of the world's great refugee dilemmas, or at least shown some curiosity, given she had been talking about the impoverishment that has caused it.

Instead, Ms Gillard told him that Australia shares South Korea's concerns about security. Then she gave a long answer to another question that was not asked to explain that she had entered politics because of her values and beliefs.

"It was disappointing," said Mr Yun.


Read more: Gillard At Nuclear Summit In South Korea

sisemen 27th Mar 2012 14:19

Totally, totally out of her depth.

Krudd must be cringing.

http://sicksport.com/images/lx70-ref...seball-bat.jpg

Buster Hyman 27th Mar 2012 21:41

Phew! That's a relief. I thought it was only certain people on this thread that could see all the 'non' answers that she & her ilk throw up. That makes it some of us here, the Speaker, and a couple of Koreans. I can sense a ground swell of reality beginning... :rolleyes:

MTOW 27th Mar 2012 23:08

Apart from her 'non answers', the way she 'non answers' those questions sets my teeth on edge. I know I'm not the first to mention this, but the woman can't (or won't) pronounce the letter 't' if it appears in mid-word. It's 'securidy', ciddies'... and any number of other examples that don't immediaDely come to mind.

AGGGHHHH!!!! She's not only massacring the future of this counDry(!), but the English language as well.

parabellum 27th Mar 2012 23:20

Ms Wong is pretty good at not answering the question that was asked, too.

Worrals in the wilds 28th Mar 2012 00:03

A competent pollie should be able to do it so subtly that no-one notices until later. Terry Mackenroth (Qld ALP) was an absolute master, both in interviews and in real life. He could give a speech, everyone would clap and about an hour later you'd think 'hang on, he didn't actually say anything.' :\

The Korean story sounds really amateur. Don't you just promise to have the Minister look into it and come up with something nice to say about Korean students being welcomed by the majority of Aussies (which I would hope was the case)? Wouldn't you have a stock speech about China's human rights record, because it frequently comes up? :confused: Neither question was wildly left of field.
Isn't that Sticky Question 101?

Buster Hyman 28th Mar 2012 00:43

I bet the excuse will be: "Mis-heard the question" :rolleyes:

prospector 28th Mar 2012 01:04

Some hard facts on China today.


China has 19% of the world’s population, but consumes
.... 53% of the world's cement
... 48% of the world's iron ore
... 47% of the world's coal
.... and the majority of just about every major commodity.
In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States.

New World Record: China made and sold 18 million vehicles in 2010.



There are more pigs in China than in the next 43 pork producing nations combined.



China currently has the world’s fastest train and the world’s largest high-speed rail network.



China is currently the number one producer in the world of wind and solar power.
But don’t use it themselves.



China currently controls more than 90% of the total global supply of rare earth elements.




In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th place to 2nd place
in the world in published scientific research articles.





China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on the entire globe.




At the end of March 2011, China accumulated US$3.04 trillion in foreign currency reserves
- the largest stockpile on the entire globe.




Chinese consume 50,000 cigarettes every second.
Not an enviable record though.

Also a lot smarter than us.
While they manufacture 80% of the worlds solar panels,
they install less than 5%.
And, build a new coal fired power station every week,
and in 1 year, turn on more new coal powered electricity than
Australia's total output!
Already the largest carbon dioxide emitter, output will rise 70% by 2020.
So, are you glad we're saving the planet?

Lex Talionis 28th Mar 2012 02:02

It's reasonably well known that the major cities (and that's a lot) in China are some of the largest sources of pollution in the world.

The question is what do we do about it?

Do we do nothing and let them go on their merry way or do we as most of the world now understands that we have a problem and try to reduce pollution?

I'm not saying a carbon tax or what the Australian Government is proposing is the best way about doing it but a number of countries are trying to come up with a fix.China shouldn't be left alone nor any country which is a major source of pollution.


Ms Wong is pretty good at not answering the question that was asked, too.
I thought that was a prerequisite for a politician of any party.

Apart from her 'non answers', the way she 'non answers' those questions sets my teeth on edge. I know I'm not the first to mention this, but the woman can't (or won't) pronounce the letter 't' if it appears in mid-word. It's 'securidy', ciddies'... and any number of other examples that don't immediaDely come to mind.
Shock horror and surprise that John Howard has a slight speech impediment however that did not influence the way in which I viewed him,his achievements and policies.Some I agreed with and some I did not but his speech impediment was something that I was never concerned with nor is it an issue with anyone that I meet who might have an accent or speech impediment.

Buster Hyman 28th Mar 2012 03:08


Do we do nothing and let them go on their merry way or do we as most of the world now understands that we have a problem and try to reduce pollution?
I'll park the argument about the validity of the "we have a problem" & address the "what do we do about it" if that's ok.

I certainly don't mind leading by example, but committing financial suicide by example is incomprehensible. Yes, we can certainly force industry to clean up its act (even if global warming is proved wrong, there's no harm in tidying up industry), but I don't agree with consumers funding it. I cannot understand why Industry isn't made to fund this and, if sweeteners are needed, drop the FTA's to countries that (a) we have them with that (b) are happily polluting their own backyards.

So, imported goods from China would carry a Carbon Tax because they are not committing to reducing emissions. Goods manufactured here, under improving/improved conditions will get a cost benefit against imported goods & perhaps some sort of tax reduction scheme for taking the initiative.... I dunno, just a thought off the top of my head.

(Reading about the 50% tax the thais were going to impose on Fords exported to Thailand, when they are enjoying a boost in exports to Oz for cars really ticked me off!) :mad:

bob johns 28th Mar 2012 03:46

bob johns
 
Ay Pinky! Seneca1, that just a Cherokee 6 with twice the chance of an engine failure?? And China a mate of mine has just came home from a business /holliday trip to China and his major concern about the place is that it is still a totalitarian communist state ,lousy human rights 400mil middle class and 800 mil in abject poverty and fuedal serfdom. He in an Aussie of Chinese lineage and is glad his folks got out of there when the did and he aint going back.

hellsbrink 28th Mar 2012 04:25


Do we do nothing and let them go on their merry way or do we as most of the world now understands that we have a problem and try to reduce pollution?
Then why not offer tax deductions/incentives to companies who do cut their pollution via "new tech" instead of taxing the crap out of everyone?

Lower taxes give businesses an incentive to stay and improve things, higher taxes drive them away. Guess what will happen with the "Carbon Tax"...........

Frank Arouet 28th Mar 2012 05:07

The Fiji Military has just seized the 46% Qantas ownership in Air Pacific. All air carriers are now under Fiji military control.

Wait for Bob Carr to declare war on Frank Bainimarama and Fiji. India may even take a side here.

One assumes we still contribute to Fiji's coffers with overseas aid?

Wait ultil the Red Queen gets her gander up.:ooh: Oh, and what's our Minister for things flying going to do? What will Bob Brown do?

heated ice detector 28th Mar 2012 05:15

Funny,
I listen to all the previous soap boxing and I still would not vote for the Libs.
Steps down of soap box!

Worrals in the wilds 28th Mar 2012 05:16


Then why not offer tax deductions/incentives to companies who do cut their pollution via "new tech" instead of taxing the crap out of everyone?
Australian governments seem to hate doing this, or encouraging any form of business initiative via tax breaks or incentives.

Through most of the nineties there wasn't a heck of a lot of water in Brisbane (then it all turned up at once :\). Premier Beattie decided to take a cheap swipe at Industry for sucking up all the water. He was beaten game/set/match by Incitec Pivot, who run a large ammonium sulphate manufacturing facility that was listed as one of the top guzzlers.

IPL pointed out in the press that five years before, they had approached the state government to co-fund a study with them into harvesting the steam their plant produces (it's the one east of the airport popularly known as The Cloud Factory :)) and using that in their production. They had some guy with a plan who believed that it could almost completely remove their need to use town water.

No prizes for guessing; the state government wasn't at all interested. Hasty backpedal from the Premier and the circus continued.

JB Mods 30th Mar 2012 09:13

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Bit of a slide towards bad old habits over the past 24 hours people.

Let´s not end up the same old way huh?

Time to up your game a notch.

Only you can keep the thread viable.

By thinking a few seconds longer before you press 'submit'.

Hot tip #1: Deriding physical aspects of your pollies does not constitute political debate.

Hot tip #2: Calling each other names is childish & gets you kicked off the playground.

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sisemen 30th Mar 2012 09:19

And there was me thinking it was because I posted that I actually agreed with something Jooliar had done!

Anyway, thank goodness that post has been removed with all the rest - saves any embarrassment in the future :E

Takan Inchovit 30th Mar 2012 09:51

Takan slaps himself with a trout! Although comments on physical appearances made by pollies as reported in the media constitutes as a media set up, or political fopar. :hmm:

Worrals in the wilds 30th Mar 2012 11:24


Only you can keep the thread viable.
Thanks fellahs / fellarinas for not punting it into oblivion, much appreciated. :ok:

Although comments on physical appearances made by pollies as reported in the media constitutes as a media set up, or political fopar. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/yeees.gif
We're better than them. :cool::}

RJM 30th Mar 2012 11:55

Thanks Mods. We are in the middle of a particularly interesting era of politics in Australia, and it's good to get the slant on the subject of the mixture of expats, Poms and the occasional hard-bitten types who frequent these threads. :ok:

david1300 31st Mar 2012 08:43

I may have just discovered why so many left-wingers are so uptight:

French survey discovers far-right-wing voters have the most sex

Followers of Marine Le Pen's far-right anti-immigrant National Front top the frequency league, having sex eight times a month, while those of centrist Francois Bayrou manage only 5.9 trysts in the same period.
Right-wingers also report having had fewer partners over the course of their lives, with seven compared to nine on the left, but once again it was the extreme right on top, with Le Pen supporters claiming 10.

French survey discovers far-right-wing voters have the most sex | The Courier-Mail

So, there are benefits of being on the far right :O:O

david1300 31st Mar 2012 08:47

But back on topic. Who told us that The Carbon Tax would not cause prices to escalate? How do you think businesses will respond to these wage demands?

"Union backers of carbon tax seek pay hikes to cushion the blow

UNIONS that championed the carbon tax are now seeking wage rises to compensate workers for higher living costs - alarming employers who fear the new tax will fuel the cost of production and labour. The 39,000-strong Together union will factor in the cost of the carbon tax during enterprise bargaining negotiations with the Queensland government this year. Union secretary Alex Scott said the federal government's $8 billion household compensation package would not offset the cost of the carbon tax for all workers from July 1.

....
"These things (electricity prices and the carbon tax) obviously feed into what drives costs of living, and that's what drives unions' pay claims," he said.
Mr Mighell said his own union had recently secured pay rises of at least 5 per cent, and would not need to negotiate another enterprise agreement for two years.
Employers yesterday blasted the unions' claims and called on the federal government to repeal the tax.
The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry's director of economics and industry, Greg Evans, said workers should be demanding compensation from the government. "It's not up to business to bail out employees who end up on the wrong side of the carbon tax," he said.
"Business is in no position to provide compensation to workers. What this illustrates is the carbon tax is not only bad for business, it's bad for workers and it adds to the case why the carbon tax should be abandoned."
The federal government will pay eight million households an average of $10.10 a week to offset what it estimates will be an average cost-of-living increase of $9.90 a week - including $3.30 a week extra for electricity and $1.50 a week for gas.
But the ACTU wants Fair Work Australia to ignore the compensation package when it considers the unions' claim for a $26-a-week - or 4.4 per cent - rise in the minimum wage...."

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

hellsbrink 31st Mar 2012 08:57

So, David, what you are saying is that prices will go up leading to increases in wages which, since they must come from somewhere, will lead to increased prices to cover the increased costs due to increased taxation and wage bills leading to increased wages to compensate for the increased prices, etc, etc, etc.........

Or, of course, businesses closing due to no profit because of increased costs from increased taxes and wage bills as well as lower sales due to increased prices leading to higher welfare bills leading to increased taxes to pay for the higher welfare bill leading to increased prices and lower sales leading to businesses closing and higher welfare bills, etc, etc, etc.




I do have that right, don't I?

Takan Inchovit 31st Mar 2012 09:54

You've pretty much nailed it HB, and others wonder why there is a bit of nastiness in our whole political scene.
It is like we are being run by a kindergarten group.

bob johns 31st Mar 2012 11:26

bob johns
 
Censored ? I m gone ! My dog is barking and I ve got better things to do with my time!

Andu 1st Apr 2012 10:54

Of course, thishttp://
will never happen here.


... right?

(Worth watching to the end.)

parabellum 1st Apr 2012 23:03


will never happen here.


... right?
What bothers me a lot is that whilst there is a will among the people to put a stop to 'Muslimification' there doesn't seem to be any will among the government bodies, be they Shire, State or Federal.

Lex Talionis 2nd Apr 2012 00:31


Hot tip #1: Deriding physical aspects of your pollies does not constitute political debate.

Hot tip #2: Calling each other names is childish & gets you kicked off the playground.
I agree completely.Physical appearance and speech patterns serve no purpose and have nothing to do with a debate on political ability,accomplishments or failure to achieve.

Only you can keep the thread viable.
Exactly :ok:

As far as the subject on protests by any group or religion is concerned it is not a matter of multiculturalism but of radicalism.

You can point the finger at Islam or Christianity in it's various forms but it is the radicals within those groups who are the problem.We need to filter out those groups who's agenda is not so much a religious belief but one in which they are seeking to gain control.
Northern Ireland is a case in point and hopefully the relative peace will continue and we will not see the deadly events again as we did in the darker days of that country and the UK.

By all means understand and be tolerant of anothers convictions but do not allow a small group to usurp a society in which they live for their own machiavellian purposes.

A society should have one law for all and in this case Australia that should include all Australians regardless of religion or ethnicity.

sisemen 2nd Apr 2012 00:41

Oooer missus.....


The federal government's primary vote is now at the same level which swept Queensland Labor from power - 27 per cent - indicating the coalition would win a landslide election if it were held now, a new poll shows.
In the Fairfax/Nielsen poll to be published on Monday, the Tony Abbott-led coalition holds a two-party margin of 57-43 per cent - a swing against Labor of about seven per cent.
Fairfax Media says the two-party gap has blown out from six points to 14 points in just five weeks.
"It shows that Julia Gillard, who seemed to be getting some traction in late February when Labor's primary vote rose to 34 per cent, is back in disaster territory," Fairfax says.
Bit of trouble there playmates :}


Physical appearance and speech patterns serve no purpose and have nothing to do with a debate on political ability
Unfortunately that little spat kicked off with Germain Greer drawing attention to Gillard's dress sense (or lack of it) on a national political TV broadcast. In itself not worthy of too much comment. However, when Tony Abbott gave an off the cuff reply to a member of the public within microphone range all hell broke loose from the left when he was castigated for being a misogynist etc etc etc completely overlooking the fact that, since his elevation to the Coalition leadership, the left have done nothing but criticise him for his dress and fitness antics. The archetypal political cartoon even has him routinely portrayed in budgie smugglers and a surfing cap.

So the issue became one of political hypocrisy which, in my opinion, is a valid political discussion point.

However, given the latest poll results it seems it's not going to matter in the long run - the public, as shown in Queensland, are not taking kindly to personal attacks.

Buster Hyman 2nd Apr 2012 00:50


Physical appearance and speech patterns serve no purpose and have nothing to do with a debate on political ability,accomplishments or failure to achieve.
And Religiuos persuasion Lex? Have we seen the end of the "Mad Monk" references on here?

Howard Hughes 2nd Apr 2012 01:12


I may have just discovered why so many left-wingers are so uptight:

French survey discovers far-right-wing voters have the most sex

Followers of Marine Le Pen's far-right anti-immigrant National Front top the frequency league, having sex eight times a month, while those of centrist Francois Bayrou manage only 5.9 trysts in the same period.
Right-wingers also report having had fewer partners over the course of their lives, with seven compared to nine on the left, but once again it was the extreme right on top, with Le Pen supporters claiming 10.

Oh poo, by that study looks like I am a leftie...:}

That's it, I'm shaving me head and getting a swastika tattoo!;)

Lex Talionis 2nd Apr 2012 01:26


And Religiuos persuasion Lex? Have we seen the end of the "Mad Monk" references on here?
Buster,it appears as though you missed the point of my post which was about religious tolerance and understanding that the problem is religious radicalism not simply different religious beliefs or name calling.

However,if it is name calling that worries you, as far as I'm concerned I would like to see the end of all name calling such as Juliar and so on.They only serve to inflame the debate and having the thread shut down (again).

As the Mods said deriding physical appearance does not constitute or contribute to a political debate.Nor for that matter do disparaging comments on a persons accent or dress sense.

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Apr 2012 01:34

27 percent, that ain't good. :ooh: They're pretty much down to close friends and relatives territory there.
I don't usually read The Weekend Australian, but they had an interesting interview with Bill Hayden about the state of the ALP.
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
It contained the following quote: "Federal Labor MP Shayne Neumann, whose electorate of Blair covers most of the three state seats in Ipswich, was stunned when not one person wearing a union T-shirt or cap would take a how-to-vote card from him on Saturday: "They walked straight over to the LNP or Katter.""

That's interesting. Of course, many people who describe themselves as Labor supporters occasionally vote Liberal, but they don't usually tell anyone. :suspect: Howard did well out of closet Liberal voters for years. In Ipswich, these people weren't just voting Lib / KAP, but making a big, loud statement about it. Seriously, how many people routinely wear their union clobber on the weekend? It's like getting around in a hi viz vest on your days off :}. IMO, these people were turning up at the polls and deliberately making a ':mad: you' gesture. And ':mad: them' they did...:ooh:

While I think the state issues were the overriding factor in the Qld election, there are similar issues facing the federal government, particularly with respect to blatantly broken election promises. Even a lot of people who are neutral or supportive of the Carbon Tax concept are dirty about that.

There are also the issues of integrity and empathy with the electorate; and the feds are even worse at this that the former Qld government. A lot of traditional ALP supporters see them as a collection of professional urgers who have achieved nothing more than building up their own political careers. Seriously, how many of them have had a job outside the machine? Being a trade union lawyer doesn't count, either.

The feds haven't really addressed that problem, instead choosing to distance themselves from the Qld result. The trouble is, they're facing the same type of problems themselves, and refusing to acknowledge them is just making people even crankier.


The archetypal political cartoon even has him routinely portrayed in budgie smugglers and a surfing cap.
I think the difference is that Tony looks pretty good in his budgie smugglers, so while it's been a constant point of ridicule it's more of a backhanded compliment. He's a pollie and should know better, i.e. always assume someone's got a mic somewhere. As for Germaine, :yuk::yuk::yuk:. Media tart of the highest order.


That's it, I'm shaving me head and getting a swastika tattoo!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/wink2.gif
Let us know how that works out for you. :hmm: Of course it may be that Le Pen's supporters are overstating their success. Self reporting studies tend to be rife with that sort of thing.

sisemen 2nd Apr 2012 01:35


I would like to see the end of all name calling such as Juliar
Perhaps you could suggest another one Lex which has the same degree of appropriateness.

A gentle reminder.....


Lex Talionis 2nd Apr 2012 01:36


French survey discovers far-right-wing voters have the most sex
On a lighter note I would have to disagree with the survey results into the propensity of ones sex lives based on personal political beliefs.

If this was the case the population in China or North Korea would be a lot less or in Russia for that matter.It might be the cold that makes them want to keep warm with a certain activity or it might be the Vodka.:E

I think it was Dean Martin that said the difference between a...well unattractive woman and a fox was 3 whiskeys so it may well be the Vodka after all.

Thinking about it again and it was a French survey after all.:p

Perhaps you could suggest another one Lex which has the same degree of appropriateness.
Sisemen,would you like me to point out the broken promises of John Howard and that Tony Abbott has said that unless his statements are in writing you can't hold him to his word either.

Did Gillard put it in writing that there would be no tax?

I agree that like Abbott Gillard has on several occasions has shown a remarkable lack of political understanding.

She should go to the polls like John Howard did after claiming that he would never ever seek to introduce a GST.

The reality is that I don't think we can ever really believe a politician states so in the interests of a 'REAL' political debate I believe that we do without the name calling.


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