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Clare Prop 6th Mar 2012 02:43

Bob Carr on Libya

Libya: It Seems Intervention Is Making Things Worse Thoughtlines with Bob Carr

What he wrote made a lot of sense to people who knew anything about the place rather than those who just believed the "murdurous dictator" label that was stuck on Tony Blair's mate because that was what :the West: wanted people to think (to justify murdering tens of thousands of people and bomb the most developed country in Africa to smithereens to maintain the grip of the petrodollar etc).

But now, like that turncoat traitor Garrett, he is already toeing the party line. Gotta suck up to the americans now
... So suddenly "I was wrong about Libya" :yuk:

Even though one of the many "unintended consequences" was the vandalism of Commonwealth war graves, including those of 48 diggers.

BandAide 6th Mar 2012 03:30


bomb the most developed country in Africa
Is you talkin' bout South Africa? When was it bombed and by who?


Gotta suck up to the americans now
You're out of tune now, Clare. The Americans were back-benchers in the Libya intervention, drug into it by their UK and French allies. Your rote, drumbeat, reactionary anti-Americanism is out of date. We no longer want to play the role of your rage/machine whipping post.

You should keep current.

Clare Prop 6th Mar 2012 06:18

Not liking what an administration does doen't make you "anti" that country. My mother's side of the family have been Virginians for centuries, my Virginian cousins don't like all that Obama is doing, that doesn't make them "anti american". It makes them educated. They don't want to be associated with all the murder done in their name or the "rote, drumbeat, reactionary" stuff that comes out of Washington.

There's a lot the feds and our state goverment do here that I disagree with, I don't have any political affiliations because the only difference is the colour of the snout in the trough. However the way that some socialist elements pretend they "care" when none of them give a rats about anything except hangin on to power is something I do find offensive. That doesn't make me anti-Australian.

I have a very open mind and love a good debate. Carry on!

Buster Hyman 6th Mar 2012 07:32


Yeah you really have to love people who have gone to uni don't you?
:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

http://media.apnonline.com.au/img/me...CKET1_t325.jpg

Solid Rust Twotter 6th Mar 2012 12:32


Is you talkin' bout South Africa? When was it bombed and by who?

Errmmmm.... A few years back and by the current government?:}

Frank Arouet 6th Mar 2012 21:51

Well, the conservative NSW State government, who have a good majority in The House, must think Carr is a dud having anointed his Senatorship last night. They probably believe he is just another embarrasment for Gillard's reputation. Probably nobody worse to nominate given Labor's thrashing at the last State elections.

Edit to add: Carr has poisoned many waterholes in Republican circles in The US so it will be interesting to see how he goes with them if the Republicans win the next election.

parabellum 6th Mar 2012 23:27

Won't the democrats and Carr be going out into the wilderness at about the same time?

Andu 7th Mar 2012 01:17

...meanwhile, yet another boat arrived at Christmas Island yesterday, and hardly a mention of it anywhere in the press.

CoodaShooda 7th Mar 2012 05:30

And Smith continues to make a fool of himself over "Kafergate" - by announcing that Kafer did not make an error of judgement in the handling of the Skype affair but refusing to release the report or to apologise for the way in which he treated Kafer.

I've nominated Smith as my preferred labor leader in the past but this episodehas me casting around for an alternative.

Sadly, alternatives are hard to come by. Perhaps Malcolm Turnbull will jump ship, to maintain solidarity with the Maquarie Bank Push.

Frank Arouet 7th Mar 2012 08:39

Wrong demographic;

Turnbull may have a chance as an Independant in his Electorate, but they would lynch and incinerate him if he went to the dark side.

Zorro Polilla 7th Mar 2012 13:22

So with the ratification of Bob Carr's elevation to the Senate ends this so-called War in Australia.

A non-event, a "War that Never Was" and which existed only in the fevered imagination of the chattering classes and the media.

Especially the Canberra Press Gallery ever ready to beat up a story and foment discontent and controversy. That is their job after all.

Stand by for the next dead horse - Class Warfare, to cop a jolly good thrashing.

And so much for the breathless brash and wishful thinking predictions over a family skirmish such as
"This present government has but a very very short time to run - possibly as little as one week"

and

"She's mortally wounded"


None of the above, and most of the other wild predictions as to how the chips may fall, could demonstrably be further from the truth. It was clear from the outset that Rudd was never within a bull's roar of having the numbers to topple the Red Queen and that is what made it all a non-event!

At the end of the skirmish La Gillard emerges in a far stronger position than ever to get on with what she was elected to do - the business of running the country.

As she put it in no uncertain terms at the post ballot presser, until the next Federal election in 2013 ''I intend to be a very forceful advocate of the government's policies, so settle in''.

:ok:

Zorro Polilla 7th Mar 2012 13:50


Bob Carr on Libya

Libya: It Seems Intervention Is Making Things Worse Thoughtlines with Bob Carr

What he wrote made a lot of sense to people who knew anything about the place rather than those who just believed the "murdurous dictator" label that was stuck on Tony Blair's mate because that was what :the West: wanted people to think (to justify murdering tens of thousands of people and bomb the most developed country in Africa to smithereens to maintain the grip of the petrodollar etc).

But now, like that turncoat traitor Garrett, he is already toeing the party line. Gotta suck up to the americans now
... So suddenly "I was wrong about Libya" http://www.pprune.org/index.php?q=ug...rf%2Fchxrl.tvs

Even though one of the many "unintended consequences" was the vandalism of Commonwealth war graves, including those of 48 diggers.
What am I missing here Clare Prop?? :confused:

The deplorable war grave desecration had AFAIK SFA to do with Bob Carr or the Libya intervention whatsoever!

It was mindless retaliation and vandalism in response to the mindless Bagram Burning of the Books by the American Truppen.

RJM 7th Mar 2012 13:53

I've had exactly the same reaction to Smith's ducking and weaving, Cooda.

As to Gillard, I too thought she'd had it a few weeks ago, but perhaps as a voter I don't know her as well as some of the Labor troupers who support her.

It's a tough road to the top in any politics, but particularly for a woman in the Labor party - Emma's List and positive discrimination notwithstanding. Gillard failed twice before winning a seat, and has kept battling.

Perhaps that's her outstanding strength. Like one of those base-weighted blow-up clowns, or the rubber snouts in the Wack-A-Shark game: you hit her and she just comes back up again, grinning, nodding and drawling.

And, it seems, that's enough in today's Australian politics to stay on top. Enough at least, to retain majority support from her party in clear defiance of polls favouring an alternative and while she bottoms out at 30% personal approval. Maybe they do hate her, but back her simply for the crude resilience that keeps them in their jobs.

sisemen 7th Mar 2012 19:01


And so much for the breathless brash and wishful thinking predictions over a family skirmish such as
"This present government has but a very very short time to run - possibly as little as one week"


and

"She's mortally wounded"

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

If you honestly think that all is now peace and light in the ALP then you must be living on a different planet to the rest of us.

Meanwhile, we'll just sit back and wait until the next Gillard cock-up. But make no mistake about it - whether it's one week or they go the full term - the ALP will receive the verdict of the Australian people. They're toast.

CoodaShooda 8th Mar 2012 03:37

*Ineptocracy *
(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Not one of mine but I can relate to it. :E

RJM 8th Mar 2012 04:27

And now these ineptocrats are starting to water down their guarantee of a surplus in 2012-13:

"We remain absolutely committed to a surplus..."

The damage, as usual, will be self-inflicted.

RJM 8th Mar 2012 04:51

From the launch of the book Silencing Dissent, by Clive Hamliton and Sarah Maddison:

Silencing Dissent uncovers the tactics used by John Howard and his colleagues to undermine dissenting and independent opinion. Bullying, intimidation, public denigration, threats of withdrawal of funding, personal harassment, increased government red tape and manipulation of the rules are all tools of trade for a government that wants to keep a lid on public debate.

Ironically, Hamilton and co were able to use national broadcasting and the national press to make their complaints and publicise the book. Nothing is heard from them now in defence of freedom of expression, which is under attack from the government's proposed new media watchdogs.

The inference is obvious - there's only one voice to be silenced: the Right.

Zorro Polilla 8th Mar 2012 04:57


The damage, as usual, will be self-inflicted.
Yup, RJM Julia's powers are immense!!!

parabellum 8th Mar 2012 06:05


It was mindless retaliation and vandalism in response to the mindless Bagram Burning of the Books by the American Truppen.
Absolutely not true, that theory totally refuted by the interim Libyan government.

Buster Hyman 8th Mar 2012 06:41

"Nothing to see here...Move along..."
http://marketnightshift.files.wordpr..._ali.jpg?w=600

Nice one Zorro. Denial just makes it funnier. :D:D:D


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