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heated ice detector 29th Aug 2012 11:49

I wonder if we should have a competition on who makes the next verbal blunder, I am sure Mr Abbot will behave himself for a few more weeks after last weeks debacle, so my money is on Miss Bishop or Mr Pine,

Clare Prop 29th Aug 2012 14:15

Maybe when they realised the taxi wasn't coming they put the bungs back in and sailed back to Indonesia, to try again tomorrow.

Or is the story of the little boy crying wolf coming true?

glad rag 29th Aug 2012 16:31

Saving the planet my a*se!
BBC News - Australia joins EU carbon emissions market

A big thank you to all Australians for agreeing to bail Europe out of it's banking and financial crisis and welcome to the [sic] party!

still look on the good side, there's the song contest you can now join in with!


500N 29th Aug 2012 20:49

I see in the newspapers they have announced that a Commercial MERCHANT vessel has found bodies in the sea where that AS Boat was they were looking for.

The Indon's can't find a boat but Merchant vessels can find bodies !!!!!!!!!

I reckon they didn't even look for it.

So now 2 boats from Indonesia are heading to the area plus flights from WA and Christmas Island PLUS a warship !!! Why do we need to send people when it never got to us ?

My mind boggles at this whole scenario.

parabellum 29th Aug 2012 20:50

I wonder if we should have a competition on who makes the next verbal
blunder, I am sure Mr Abbot will behave himself for a few more weeks after last
weeks debacle, so my money is on Miss Bishop or Mr Pine,
More likely someone from the ALP I would have thought, they do it on a daily basis and are so well practiced after all!

500N 29th Aug 2012 22:34

It seems the Bulk Carrier has pulled 6
survivors out of the water.


MTOW 29th Aug 2012 22:44

I wait with bated breath to see where the survivors will be taken.

Fubaar 30th Aug 2012 00:10

Three non American coalition troops gunned down by an Afghan soldier in Orazgun Province. Julia Gillard about to make a statement from Cook Island - hopefully NOT from that *** chair.

It has just been confirmed that the three dead are Australian.

The men running the Taliban are many things, but one thing they're not are fools. Kill three Americans, with the size of the US military, it hardly rates a ripple. Kill three soldiers from the smaller countries like Australia and New Zealand, it has far larger political impact. I can't begin to believe how difficult it must be for the troops sharing bases and missions with local troops they simply cannot trust. It hurts to admit it, but from every perspective, the Taliban are on a real winner with the use of these tactics.

500N 30th Aug 2012 00:14

Very sad to hear it's been confirmed.

RIP and thoughts and wishes to family and friends.

500N 30th Aug 2012 05:45

Not a good day with another 2 soldiers dying in a Blackhawk Crash.
RIP guys.

Julia is coming back to Aust so that is probably the end of the discussion
for a while. It's been good while it lasted.

SOPS 30th Aug 2012 10:38

Just heard a report that the survivours that the Indonesians could apparently not "find", are being taken back to Jakarta. If true that very interesting.

allan907 30th Aug 2012 15:07

Indon helo goes out for a couple of hours can't find any boat and they call off the search.

Aussie aircraft pinpoints the spot and a combination of merchant and RAN ships pick up (so far) 45 survivors.

Cynical little me suspects that the Indons with their 'great respect for the refugees' weren't really trying. :ugh:

However, full marks to Gillard for cutting short her holiday in the Cook Islands.

500N 30th Aug 2012 15:28

If she hadn't have come back, that would have been the end of her PM'ship !!!

Andu 30th Aug 2012 21:26

On the ABC news this morning: the 45 survivors so far found by the RAN will be transferred to an Indonesian Navy ship.

Now that's going to be an interesting exercise, involving, I suspect, a very good chance of a a bit of self harm. Probably an exercise best not witnessed first hand by "SHY" or Christine Milne.

... that's if it ever happens.

CoodaShooda 31st Aug 2012 05:17

Had the following sent to me recently and have been trying to work out if it's accurate, a very prescient piece of 50 year old guesswork or a more recent bit of internet propaganda.

Snopes doesn't help - but does say that an earlier claim of a 1919 communist blueprint document was false.

What do you reckon?

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963


Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

Ovation 31st Aug 2012 10:04

WARNING - your PM does not want you to see this!
This is the document that Julia Gillard does not want you to see. Her office demanded it be removed from Larry Pickering's Facebook page (and succeeded).

"Why you might ask"?

Answer: The handwriting for entry (i) naming the new entity the "Australian Workers Union - Workplace Reform Association" has been identified as that of one Julia Gillard - a "young and naive" lawyer. Yes friends, she was so young and so naive she was elevated to partner status with law firm Slater and Gordon. Either Slater and Gordon made an inept ill-considered choice, or Gillard is a liar.


As well as having the damning document taken down, her office was successful in having Facebook ban Larry Pickering and three administrators for varying periods (they are currently using other administrators).

It seems Gillard’s threats to control the dissemination of information are real. She has recently publicly displayed her distaste of this commentary in an hour-long tirade at an unannounced Press conference calling commentators, “sexist misogynistic nutjobs”.

Dark Knight 1st Sep 2012 00:32

The words in paragraph ii) should be well and truly noted and Ms Gillard asked to explain?

`ii) verify that the particulars set out in the accompanying application for Incorporation of the above named Association are true;’

Now I do not care how young and naive one is, that is pretty plain Queens English which even the dumbest of youngsters could understand let alone one with a University degree in Law and a practising lawyer???

When I was young and naive (17-24) learning to fly (just to put an aviation theme in to please the Mods) I had to read & understand ANRs, ANOs, the Company Ops manuals, all legal documents and pass examinations of these.

Further, I/We as PIC we had to apply these, accept the responsibility!

Young and Naive be Dammed!

Worrals in the wilds 1st Sep 2012 03:55

What do you reckon?
A bit smelly, IMHO; particularly the bit about supporting homosexuality. Russia only decriminlized male homosexuality in 1993 and I believe it's still a serious offence in places like Vietnam. It's a keystone of the current Western leftist POV, but my understanding is that it's a fairly recent addition.

I could be wrong but the document reads like a hodge podge of a few different bits and pieces, some of which probably are from one of the US communist groups that were around in the sixties.

Santamaria wrote a pamphlet called something like Communism on the Waterfront that described the Australian communists' plans to take over the culture by ridiculing / belittling people with opposing views, infiltrating trade unions, controlling student groups et al, but it's been ages since I've read it and and I can't find it to quote from. :ouch:

From memory, if you can jag a copy it was an interesting read about the communist party's influence in Australia during the sixties.

Saltie 1st Sep 2012 04:37

From today's "Weekend Australian": a middle aged asylum seeker, as he was brought ashore at Merak, Indonesia, made a cut throat gesture and called out to journalists "Australia terrorists".

Makes you wonder what his attitude to this country will be when he finally reaches here, (which he most likely will after he bribes his way out of Indonesian detention and fronts up for another try), in between going down to the ATM to withdraw his fortnightly CentreLink payment - probably his one and only regular outing from his government-supplied house for many years to come.

Clare Prop 1st Sep 2012 04:58

Maybe he could be referring to some of his family/mates in the Taliban being killed by Australian soldiers....?

As a lovely Afghan taxi driver told me not long ago "If Western armies would just piss off and leave us alone we could get on with it and fix the problems ourselves, then we could all go home"

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