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parabellum 25th Aug 2012 22:26

It is good to see Sussex Street is obviously so concerned about the demise of the ALP and the negative reception they get on PPRuNe that they keep putting together these little illustrated 'displays' for our benefit, desperation must be running very deep by now, yet another local government lost to them. It will be interesting to see if they ever get around to offering answers to questions and any form of reasoned debate but I honestly doubt if they are capable, don't think I'll hold my breath.

CoodaShooda 25th Aug 2012 22:39

Only taken 4 years for a labor member to wake up to the bleeding obvious.


FORMER Victorian premier Steve Bracks has some advice for Julia Gillard: stop talking about Tony Abbott.

Speaking at the Melbourne Writers Festival yesterday, Mr Bracks said the Prime Minister’s fortunes would improve if she ignored the Opposition Leader - and focused more on selling her own agenda.

‘’I’ve never seen an opposition leader talked about so much - ever,’’ he told the audience at Federation Square. ‘’I would stop talking about Tony Abbott. I would love a press conference where he’s not mentioned by the government of the day. Just concentrate on your own agenda and you’d be surprised … how things would improve and improve.’’


allan907 26th Aug 2012 00:55

From the Yahoo7 website:

Poll

Do you think Julia Gillard still has questions to answer over her time at Slater and Gordon?



Yes (12593)70%
No (5494)30%

Message to Jooliar and the ALP - It's not going to go away chums.

MattGray 26th Aug 2012 01:04


Awww...the polls were wrong were they?

http://files.sharenator.com/12729647...300-173770.gif

Poor diddums...
So which particular poll are you referring to Buster :confused:

I just mentioned three (3) of them - all of them which greatly pleased me.:D

Or did this almost immediately preceding post somehow escape you:confused::confused:

Quote:
Another labor government falls.
Glad to see it!! :D

As I remarked when Can-Do got up in Qld the more that the various States get a lick of Liberal governance to remind them what life was really like under Howard the better.

And after only two short months of Newman's white shoe brigade that prediction has today become stark reality.

Quote:
SUPPORT for federal Labor has jumped in Queensland, putting it in striking distance of retaining all its seats at the next election.

The latest Galaxy poll conducted exclusively for The Courier-Mail found Labor enjoyed a seven-point resurgence in its primary vote
And another one for the true blue doomsayers - also just as predicted http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif

Quote:
The poll also suggested voters were not as concerned as they once were about the Government's climate change laws. More than half of those polled said the carbon tax had little or no impact on their household budget.

CoodaShooda 26th Aug 2012 05:45

Bugger. Just wrote a lengthy treatise on why labor lost the NT election and it vanished on me. Probably just as well.

Quick summary

The entitled classes in the public service belt and the urban welfare belt in Darwin swung slightly to labor. The cycnic would say this was through self interest. It did not translate to any new seats for labor.

Just about every other urban seat across the Territory moved to ther CLP but again this did not translate into any new seats for the CLP.

The exceptions were Nhulunbuy, which is rusted on labor and Tennant Creek where the bush vote for labor exceeds the town vote for the CLP.

The remote indigenous communities seem to have finally come to realise why none of the urban centres outside Darwin vote labor.

In essence they have been given lots of empty words, significant cuts in local control and a few programs poorly delivered, too late and incapable of achieving their objectives.

The intervention played a part. But so too did the cack-handed replacement of 70 odd disfunctional and costly community councils with 7 disfunctional and bankrupt super shires.

But, overall, there is a sense that the communities have finally tired of being given spin rather than substance by federal and NT labor.

Not sure what the CLP can deliver. They were a shambles when they lost power in 2001 and have not been in power since.

Will be interesting to see if they can walk the walk as well as talking the talk.

Othewrwise you may well see the First Nations Party take the balance of power in 2016.

hellsbrink 26th Aug 2012 07:42


Asylum seekers, potentially numbering in the hundreds, have gone on a hunger strike on Christmas Island
Is that going to be the same sort of "protest" as when a bunch of illegals started burying themselves? I even sent money to "support the cause", the "cause" being the purchase of a D9 Caterpillar for them.........

Andu 26th Aug 2012 08:34

Surely it’s come to the point where a very senior government minister, preferably Chris Bowen, should go to Christmas Island and address all the “guests” there who are on hunger strike and, with a half a dozen interpreters on hand to make sure the message gets through loud and clear to each and every one of them, make it very clear that they chose to come to this country uninvited and without going through any of the many administrative procedures this country has the right to demand of any potential immigrant. If they choose to starve themselves or harm themselves in any other way, the Australian Government sees it as regrettable, but it is their choice if they choose to harm themselves, and in no way the responsibility of the Australian Government or the Australian people.

If they are unhappy with the way they are being treated, they have the right to return to wherever they came from – or to any one of the half dozen countries all but the Tamils among them passed through on their way to Australia.

In short, stripped of the PC diplospeak: you want to go on hunger strike? Fill yer boots.

As for those among the hunger strikers who threatened the crew of the car transporter (after making a FALSE distress call in Indonesian waters) unless they were taken to Christmas Island, now that they've showed they are AGAIN unwilling to abide by any rules, they should be separated from the others and deported immediately and if that is not possible, locked away after being informed that, having proven twice in a very short time that they are not suitable immigrants to this country, they will NEVER be processed for residency in Australia.

500N 26th Aug 2012 08:40

Andu
I think most would like to see such Non PC speak but it is far too up front
and the lefty socialists would not like it as it may hurt the feelings of the
A/S. Not fluffy enough for any Poly to deliver.

So it will never happen.

MattGray 26th Aug 2012 08:50


As for those among the hunger strikers who threatened the crew of the car transporter (after making a FALSE distress call in Indonesian waters) unless they were taken to Christmas Island, now that they've showed they are AGAIN unwilling to abide by any rules, they should be separated from the others and deported immediately and if that is not possible, locked away after being informed that, having proven twice in a very short time that they are not suitable immigrants to this country, they will NEVER be processed for residency in Australia.
If this refers to the MV Parsifal Andu once again, the facts do not agree with your claim.

The Wallenius Marine shipping line said that the 67 asylum seekers had not physically threatened the ship's crew.

"While the survivors' demeanour was agitated there was no physical aggression," the shipping line said in a statement.
:rolleyes:

prospector 26th Aug 2012 09:27


after making a FALSE distress call in Indonesian waters)
MattGray
And what would be your assessment of the above statement??

hellsbrink 26th Aug 2012 09:36


The Wallenius Marine shipping line said that the 67 asylum seekers had not physically threatened the ship's crew.

"While the survivors' demeanour was agitated there was no physical aggression," the shipping line said in a statement.
But the Captain did fear that the situation could escalate to the point where the safety of the vessel and it's crew were at risk, an obvious conclusion to reach when people are threatening to "harm themselves" as a way to coerce the Captain into doing what THEY want, and don't forget that any action like the threats these economic migrants took is illegal due to them "intimidating" the ship's Captain whilst he is carrying out his legitimate duties.

Just because they didn't threaten direct and physical acts on the Captain and crew at that moment does not mean they did not "threaten and intimidate" either, so I suggest you start looking at things more carefully before opening your mouth and sticking both feet in it.

allan907 26th Aug 2012 09:38


So it will never happen.
There is absolute no one in the ALP who has the balls to actually front the "uninvited guest" problem.

Once they cave in to the current hunger strike mob you might as well tear up the legislation that was passed the other week.

And people wonder why this government is on the nose. :ugh:

Yours,
Misogynist Nut Job

MattGray 26th Aug 2012 09:39


Quote:
after making a FALSE distress call in Indonesian waters)
MattGray
And what would be your assessment of the above statement??
I've no idea prospector. Zero, zip, zilch nada. Should I?

The bolding in my post makes crystal clear the false allegation I was responding to.

It has no relevance whatsoever to the quite separate issue of the distress call.

What is your own point?:confused:

hellsbrink 26th Aug 2012 09:40

And the small matter of them threatening to "harm themselves" whilst on the vessel means they did actually "threaten" the Captain and crew.

prospector 26th Aug 2012 10:02


I've no idea prospector. Zero, zip, zilch nada. Should I?
One would have thought so, you seem to have a very one eye4d biased idea's on just about every other question that has been raised on this and other forums.

RJM 26th Aug 2012 10:26

MattGray, what are the limits of your 'compassion' towards anyone who decides that Australia offers them better opportunities than their present digs, and, not bothering with the official channels for refugees, decides to simply arrive here in the expectation of being offered a new start?

What I'm asking is that since you make no distinction between genuine refugees and economic opportunists, what sort of border controls against irregular arrivals do you think we shouild have? None at all? Accept 20,000 boat arrivals in addition to our UNHCR quota? Accept 1,000,000 per month?

Please put a figure on it, if you wouldn't mind.

500N 26th Aug 2012 11:29

False distress call.

You know what, it pisses me off that these guys can do this yet if anyone
here makes one, let's off a flare, puts a false MayDay out, the book gets thrown
at them and they have sometimes had to pay the costs.

Yet these guys get a free ticket to a warm, safe environment at Gov't expense
- or Navy expense.

That report above, plane sent to find them, Navy ship sent to pick them up.
How much does that cost.


"Indonesia told Australian officials it had a search and rescue vessel available but it could not be despatched due to bad weather. They asked Australia to send in air surveillance."

mmm, does that mean that if you plan to invade Indonesia, if you do it in bad weather you would get to the shore ? I reckon a Fast Patrol Boat, a few Zodiacs with soldiers on board and a couple of nice silver foil / metal flags so Radar picks them up, a bit of slack radio communication with choice words like "Raid, Free Aceh Movement (GAM)" would get the Indonesian's attention and then all of a sudden, that boat that couldn't be dispatched because of bad weather would be there in a flash as would half the Indonesian Navy and Air Force.

This agreement we have with Indonesia is just a load of crap and let's them off the hook and Australia is being made to look like a dick.
.
.

MattGray 26th Aug 2012 11:52



Quote:
I've no idea prospector. Zero, zip, zilch nada. Should I?
One would have thought so, you seem to have a very one eye4d biased idea's on just about every other question that has been raised on this and other forums.
I believe a closer reading of my posts will reveal an aversion to crass hypocrisy and myths, especially right wing myths, and especially Liberal hypocrisy being promoted as facts.

If presenting facts, rather than myths and fantasy is your perception of one-eyed bias prospector then so be it.

In this case, despite the crew clearly not being threatened, we had the genesis of yet another great Liberal myth like Children Overboard being propagated.

Like the ancient Greeks the Liberals actually believe and cling to their myths such as interest rates will always be lower under Liberal than Labor, or the Carbon Tax will wreck the economy, or that Work Choices was good for workers, or that the public voted for Little "Never Ever" Johnny Howard's GST at an election.
:rolleyes:

500N 26th Aug 2012 12:00

Matt

I'm not a one eyed Labor or Liberal supporter, but I think their is a bigger load of
"hypocrisy and myths" perpetuated by Labor (only since they are in Gov't)
and that is that we do NOT have a major crises on our hands that needs sorting out with some hard decisions, harder than they have just made based on the Houston report.

Either party will spin hypocrisy and myths, not just the Liberals.


Matt
You name me one Sovereign country (apart from Indonesia) that would sign away rights to a foreign Navy to enter it's waters at will.

I reckon most wouldn't want to suffer the embarrassment.

.

Andu 26th Aug 2012 12:03

I hope Sussex St pays at least time and a half for staff who have to work Sunday evenings, Matt. I heard only today that they had a demo today declaring the weekend sacrosanct. Fair suck of the sauce, if it's good for the everyday workers, it should apply to the Party employees as well.


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