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500N 20th Aug 2012 07:15

Matt
Nothing in that first article is much different I have said.

2nd Article
"with the aid of Liberal preferences"

Funny that, I also used WITH THE AID OF except I put it in capitals in my previous posts.

And as the first article says, the Libs and Labour are going to be very cautious about who they allocate first preferences to in the future AND as per the 2nd article, they are going to try to get rid of Adam.


FYI, Australian voters are just lazy by voting above the line - or they don't understand !!!

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500N 20th Aug 2012 07:21

Anyone recall when this happened last ?

It says it in the article in the Age, John Howard was thrown out in 86.

MattGray 20th Aug 2012 07:24

HOW THE LIBERALS ELECTED A GREEN CANDIDATE - Part II


Secret poll says Bandt needs Lib support to survive

by Andrew Crook

The Greens would need to rely on the support of the Liberal Party to retain the crucial seat of Melbourne at the next federal election, according to secret internal polling seen by Crikey.

Greens MP and balance-of-power crossbencher Adam Bandt managed to wrench the seat from Labor last August, exploiting the now-dumped Victorian Liberal policy of supporting the Greens ahead of their traditional foes.

But a “seat monitor” poll of 400 voters, completed one-year on by ALP researchers UMR, shows that Labor’s candidate — rumoured to again be recently elected state party president Cath Bowtell — would emerge triumphant with 58% of the two-party preferred vote against Bandt’s 42%, assuming the Liberals’ stick to their policy of putting the Greens last on their how-to-vote cards.

If the Liberals unexpectedly decided to pull a 180 and favour the Greens for strategic reasons, Bandt would hold on in a squeaker — 54% to 46% based on the 2010 Liberal preference flow of 80%.

“Without the benefit of the 80% of Liberal preferences that went to Adam Bandt in 2010 (a strategic Liberal decision to put the Greens ahead of Labor), this survey suggests Bandt would struggle to hold the seat of Melbourne — despite the relatively strong personal numbers the federal MP enjoys,” an analysis of the numbers reads.

The UMR poll also brings much-needed relief for former Melbourne constituent Julia Gillard, with a majority of voters (57%) viewing the PM favourably compared to the 73% who rate Tony Abbott negatively. Sixty-four per cent of voters surveyed support a carbon tax.

It’s true that Liberal how-to-vote cards helped deliver Bandt victory in 2010. If the Liberal candidate had “preferenced” Labor’s Cath Bowtell ahead of Bandt, instead of vice versa, Bowtell would now be the Member for Melbourne.

But that was then. Putting the Labor candidate ahead of Bandt on the Liberal how-to-vote card next time is not likely to see him off.

Now he’s there, Bandt won’t be that easy to move.

The logic of the “Bandt is doomed” narrative seems to be that an expected increase in support for the Liberals in Victoria at the next federal election will give them many more preferences to direct.

The flaw in this logic is that nearly all of this increase will come from the ALP, and the Libs can only return a portion of them in preferences.

Bandt is quoted as saying he is “aiming to win the federal seat of Melbourne on primary votes”. If he means he aims to top the primary vote, it is close to certain he will do that. If he means he aims to get more than 50 per cent of the primary vote, it is close to certain he won’t.

But he won’t need to. Bandt is looking very safe in Melbourne.

At the 2010 federal election., Bowtell received 38.1 per cent of the primary vote, Bandt got 36.2 and the Liberal candidate 21.0.

Thanks to the Liberal HTV card, 80.0 per cent of the Libs’ 21.0 flowed to Bandt and 20.0 to Bowtell (from AEC data) and so Bandt won the two-candidate-preferred vote 56.0 to 44.0. Peter Brent, Australian
I stand by my original statement and repeat, the Liberal Party of Australia were DIRECTLY responsible (via 80% of the true blue believers mindlessly following their own How to Vote Cards) for electing the Green Candidate Adam Bandt!

Never mind that the final para above quotes official Electoral Commission data.

There's none so blind........:rolleyes:

CoodaShooda 20th Aug 2012 07:27


QUESTIONS PUT TO THE PRIME MINISTER
ON FRIDAY BY THE AUSTRALIAN
• What does the Prime Minister say to the assertion that her
actions were the subject of an internal investigation conducted
by Slater & Gordon’s then partners in 1995, culminating in a
tape-recorded interview with Ms Gillard in September 1995 and
her subsequent departure from the law firm the following month?
• What does the Prime Minister say to the assertion that in this
1995 interview she stated that a) she did the legal and related work
to establish the AWU Workplace Reform Association in Western
Australia; b) that she did not open a file to do this work, which
was unusual; c) that no other lawyer at the firm worked on the
matter; and d) that to her recollection no other lawyer
was consulted?
• What does the Prime Minister say to the assertion that in this
1995 interview she stated that a) Bruce Wilson assisted her in
the renovations of her own property at Abbotsford; and b) that
she could not categorically deny that funds from the AWU or
the AWU Workplace Reform Association had been used to
fund part of the renovations of her own property?
• What does the Prime Minister say to the assertion that in
this 1995 interview she understood that the purpose of the
association that she had established was to hold re-election
funds for union officials; and that it was described as a ‘slush
fund’ (contrary to the stated objects of the association)?
• What does the Prime Minister say to the assertion that in this
1995 interview she acknowledged that she attended the 1993
auction for the purchase of a house at 85 Kerr Street, Fitzroy
(which was purchased in the name of Ralph Blewitt with funds
including funds from the AWU Workplace Reform Association
that Ms Gillard had established)?
• What does the Prime Minister say to the assertion that as a
direct result of the ‘very serious view’ that the firm of Slater &
Gordon took of her actions, Ms Gillard was a) forced to leave
the firm; b) that she in fact left the firm suddenly in October
1995; and c) that she did not have another job to go to?
• What does the Prime Minister say to the assertion that she was
forced to leave the firm because the firm’s partners were very
concerned by her conduct, which they regarded, among other
things, as unprofessional and unethical; and conduct which had
put the firm and its partners in an invidious position?

The Answers
• The Prime Minister has made clear that she was not involved in
any wrongdoing, and has dealt with these allegations previously.
• The Prime Minister maintains good relations with
Slater & Gordon
Head in the sand ain't a workable policy anymore, Julia.
Fairfax and the ABC will continue to gloss over the allegations but people want to believe the worst. The longer you avoid answering, the more you are condemned in their eyes.

Latest poll is labor 43 to liberal 57 and the carbon tax is in and the compensation has been rolled out.

Shall we start a book on the next labor PM?

I'm thinking Crean.

500N 20th Aug 2012 07:47

Matt
You could say the same for a fair few of the pollies in Parliament then
as preferences gets them across the line.

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MattGray 20th Aug 2012 08:31

Craig Thomson cleared of misleading parliament


PARLIAMENT'S privileges committee has cleared former Labor MP Craig Thomson of misleading the House over his rejection of Fair Work Australia's findings that he rorted union funds.

Chairman Yvette D'Ath said the committee had concluded there were no grounds for further action against Mr Thomson, who was referred to the committee by the Coalition.
It made the same finding in relation to Liberal MP Craig Kelly, who was referred to the committee by Labor for allegedly failing to declare his role in a collapsed family business.
Ms D'Ath said the committee had also been unable to discover the identity of a leaker who disclosed committee deliberations.
She said all committee members and staff had signed statutory declarations stating they were not the source of a report by The Age's Michelle Grattan which revealed confidential discussions by committee members.


Andu 20th Aug 2012 09:03

Another boat, and despite all the agreement with the Houston report, the pax and crew are being taken to Darwin. Does "offshore" processing mean moored alongside Darwin wharf?

parabellum 20th Aug 2012 10:09



they shriek like pubescent public schoolchildren meting out dormitory
punishment
Just how many Australian government run, (public), schools have dormitories?

MG, your script witing team are really crap.

MattGray 20th Aug 2012 13:59

parabellum wrote


Quote:

they shriek like pubescent public schoolchildren meting out dormitory punishment
Just how many Australian government run, (public), schools have dormitories?

MG, your script witing team are really crap.

Ignoring for the moment parabellum the snide and completely false allegation that I somehow have a "script witing[sic] team" which is "crap" :=


2. Personal attacks on others are not allowed. To be mortally insulting without getting personal is a artform. Acquire the skill. If you can not counter an argument without attacking the person, then do not post here. If you are going to disagree with someone, please stick to the message rather than the messenger.
The public school description was chosen quite deliberately.

As any Australian of mature age would know, the term 'public school dormitory' has a specific connotation. A subtlety which perhaps eludes those who are not native born and/or not yet properly assimilated.

However I believe the term would have equal validity and be well understood by the members of the London Public Schools Club in St. James Square if that helps.

Could I refer you to the old Public Schools' Club on the corner of Spring Street and Flinders Street Melbourne, the Schools' Club in Sydney, the Public Schools Club on East Terrace in Adelaide and the Great Public Schools Old Boys And Brisbane Rowing Club. Most of which, in my experience have been convivial establishments in which to enjoy a game of billiards and a cold beer.

Things may well have changed but in the past if one tried rocking up to any one of them, and applied for membership on the basis that you had attended that great public school East Woop Woop Primary and you'd be laughed out the door.

Anthill 20th Aug 2012 14:08

This is how the Young Liberals at an Australian university operate. If this is an example of how the Libs (via their campus offshoot party, Fresh) conduct their business, then I would say that they have scant regard for the democratic process and should be shunned.

https://www.facebook.com/Democracy4Uqu

Also:

University of Queensland student elections: protests over changes | Crikey

Dark Knight 20th Aug 2012 14:14

With the increasingly shrill, incessant, desperate diatribe emanating from Sussex Street here and in other media the private polling figures must really be disastrous and will hopefully lead to an equally disastrous poll result.

The message which does not seemed to have seeped through is we, the Australian voter have stopped listening to Julia regardless how hard she tries and furthermore, we have stopped listening to the spin, deception. dishonest, untrustworthy untruthfulness of her minion ministers.

Minion Ministers who support her fully or, so they say. (but then Julia & the minions once said that about Kevin; who can one believe?)

Furthermore to the apparatchiks of Sussex Street who faithfully attempt to spread the daily directed message here and elsewhere; we ain't reading it! We just scroll past it to sensible posts


ps>>noted that someone or somehow, regardless of whether one agrees with him of not `they' have managed to shut-down the Pickering Post; Whatever happened to freedom of Speech?

Fortunately, to this point of time, our Mods are gallantly resisting the attempts to close this thread again.

RJM 20th Aug 2012 14:33

Young Libs at universities are as adolescent as Young Labs at universities. The point is that most Young LIbs grow up. Most Young Labs get preselected.

MattGray 20th Aug 2012 14:48

How unsurprising to note that the Pickering fan club is still alive and well here.:ugh:

Respected journalist Michael Pascoe could well have been referring to the many Pickering supporters here when he wrote in the SMH The stink of Pickering remains on the hands of those passing his material on.

As Pascoe wrote -


Aside from Slater and Gordon denying the allegation, there's a major problem with the latest instalment in the vitriolic anti-Gillard campaign being waged by Larry Pickering: it's being waged by Larry Pickering and therefore immediately lacks any credibility.

Pickering is commonly known as a cartoonist, but he's also an inveterate liar, a bankrupt conman with a seedy history of fleecing the gullible of millions of dollars while not paying his own bills.

A small mystery is why the serial bankrupt with the millionaire's lifestyle has been trying so hard to bring down a Prime Minister over her poor choice of men two decades ago.

With various failed business ventures and numerous personal relationships of equal standard, for decades he has plied a grubby trade behind sundry stooges and partners, assisted by the odd sharp lawyer and hapless corporate and consumer regulators.

The best that can be said about Pickering's pursuit of the dubious activities of a former AWU official is that it might be a case of being one to know one.

And the best that can be said of hacks who promote his tawdry campaign might be that they are poorly researched and ignorant – or perhaps not wanting to look a colourful yarn in its source.

By way of history, having lost a fortune or two trying to grow tomatoes and building a horse stud (among other things, stables built of arsenic-treated pine aren't a good idea), Pickering turned to scamming in the 1990s and found his true talent.

Cold-call racket
Hiding behind other people, Pickering ran a high-pressure cold-call racket that promised mug punters computer software that would pick winners on the race track for them. Yes, you would have to be a fool to fall for such a thing, but as shysters like Pickering know, there are actually a lot more than one born every minute.

Pascoe IMHO gave Pickering a very easy ride.

For example he never mentioned Larry's little problem with child maintenance payments.

Perfectly understandable I suppose. Hard to keep track when you've sired 11 kids from five (as he charmingly described them) "brood mares".

Nor did Pascoe mention Larry's banning from the Book of Faces for obscenity. Easily found in the public domain.

Then there was (WARNING AVIATION CONTENT!) the little matter of operating a helicopter with a few too many under the belt, as discussed previously on this forum.

Liberals - you can easily judge them by the company they keep.:yuk:

Anthill 20th Aug 2012 14:54

RJM I can't really glean any wisdom in your post. All I can say regarding the Young Liberals and growing up is that in 1983, I was invited to a New Years party by a friend of a friend. This party was at a house owned by a Young Liberal and most of the guests were 'Young Liberals'. It was the best party that I have been to by a long shot and by about 2am on New Years Day had degenerated into a full-on orgy. I woke up in bed with a girl who was a branch president. The irony was that I worked on building sites at the time and was a card-carrying member of the BLF :ok:

MattGray 20th Aug 2012 15:11


RJM I can't really glean any wisdom in your post. All I can say regarding the Young Liberals and growing up is that in 1983, I was invited to a New Years party by a friend of a friend. This party was at a house owned by a Young Liberal and most of the guests were 'Young Liberals'. It was the best party that I have been to by a long shot and by about 2am on New Years Day had degenerated into a full-on orgy. I woke up in bed with a girl who was a branch president. The irony was that I worked on building sites at the time and was a card-carrying member of the BLF
LOL. BTDT Anthill. :ok:

Except I was a card-carrying member of "them".

Best years of my life.:D

PS She wasn't a redhead by any chance?

Buster Hyman 20th Aug 2012 15:18


The message which does not seemed to have seeped through is we, the Australian voter have stopped listening to Julia regardless how hard she tries and furthermore, we have stopped listening to the spin, deception. dishonest, untrustworthy untruthfulness of her minion ministers.
All the more reason to laugh at the true believers that are still gullible enough to lap up her every word! Priceless.

allan907 20th Aug 2012 15:32


ir·rel·e·vant/iˈreləvənt/
Adjective:

Not connected with or relevant to something.


Fortunately, to this point of time, our Mods are gallantly resisting the attempts to close this thread again.
That's the aim of some. They've achieved it in the past and they continue to attempt it now. The efforts seem to become more frenzied as the performance and subsequent criticisms of this dysfunctional government and its corrupt leader are put under the spotlight.

By acknowledging their posts and answering the taunts so posed (whilst they, in turn, deliberately refuse to answer perfectly sensible questions which might have led to sensible debate) we fall into the trap that they set.

Best to ignore them completely.

The tsunami IS gathering pace. It WILL show up Gillard to be the lying, deceitful, power crazy, corrupt and incompetent politician that she is. Labor WILL be consigned to an embarrassing period in the wilderness.

That's good enough for me.

MattGray 20th Aug 2012 15:58


The tsunami IS gathering pace.

Sure is!


LABOR'S support has continued to rise after the introduction of the carbon tax in July and is now at its highest since the start of the year.

The improvement in ALP support has come as Labor continues to attack Tony Abbott over a carbon tax "scare campaign", blamed states for electricity price rises, released policies on disability insurance and education funding, and done a backflip on the treatment of asylum-seekers arriving illegally by boat.

For the second fortnightly Newspoll survey in a row, the ALP's primary vote has risen and is now at 35 per cent, up from 33 per cent two weeks ago and from 28 per cent in mid-July.

Tick, tick, tick.........:}

CoodaShooda 21st Aug 2012 00:15

Interesting disparity between Essential Media and Newspoll. Something for everyone. :E

I haven't seen the detail of the Newspoll result, only the summary.

Is it correct that Labor is up 2 points and Coalition unchanged?

If so, is Labor up at the expense of the Greens or the undecided?

Wondering also, who leaked Gordon's draft statement to the Australian?


the partnership was extremely unhappy with Ms Gillard considering that proper vigilance had not been observed and that (her) duties of utmost good faith to (her) partners especially as to timely disclosure had not been met.

Anthill 21st Aug 2012 02:54

Meanwhile on Amature Hour...
 
Opposition candidates withdraw from University of Queensland student union election after incumbent party changes rules | The Courier-Mail


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