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SOPS 2nd Feb 2013 02:29

Some in the Libs are suggesting there are more resignations to come. Am I to assume that there are some unhappy bunnies around?

parabellum 2nd Feb 2013 02:40

Or maybe Buster, just maybe, she knee jerked again, didn't talk to most olf
her ministers to get advice, didn't think it through properly, and has not
considered all possible outcomes.
I expect it was all Tim's idea - ;)

Takan Inchovit 2nd Feb 2013 02:49

Is there anyone seriously running this country? I get the feeling party politics is being performed using taxpayers monies.
Waste of bloody space and oxygen.

MTOW 2nd Feb 2013 03:12

The first boat for February arrived today, with 60 "New Australians" on board.

A bit like looking to the bookies to see how things are really going rather than looking to the polls, it will be interesting to see if there'll be a rush of boats over the next few weeks. My guess is that the people smugglers and their clients will have a far better idea than the Canberra press gallery and the pundits on whether the Gillard "government" will last until Sept 14th or whether the gravy train will come to a crashing halt somewhat sooner than that.

So, will they wait for the better weather, or come now? My guess would be now.

MTOW 2nd Feb 2013 03:17

Some in the Libs are suggesting there are more resignations to come.
SOPS, I read elsewhere this morning that there are rumours of four more in the immediate future. I reckon that will prove to be an understatement. What are the odds we'll be into double figures before the end of March?

That's if this "government" lasts until March. If Thomson can't make it to work on Tuesday because he's attending court in Melbourne and Abbott calls a vote of no confidence in Gillard, JEG might be forced to make that journey to Bill Shorten's Mum in Law's place that same afternoon.

Squeaks 2nd Feb 2013 03:47

In the words of Sir Humphrey:

to lose one cabinet minister may be considered misfortune, to lose both looks like carelessness
Yes, Prime Minister.... ;)

CoodaShooda 2nd Feb 2013 04:17

I think I heard somewhere that the courts agree that a defendant's duty to parliament takes precedence over his appearance before the court.

If so, he gets an automatic deferral if the hearing is scheduled within a week before or during sittings.

sisemen 2nd Feb 2013 05:03

I'm probably wrong but recent events seem to me to have all the hallmarks of McTernan's grubby hands over them.

#1 Slipper to bow out early to preserve his pension - call an election and thwart a by-election says the Jock spinmeister.

#2 Roxon grossly underperforming and becoming an electoral liability - "Get rid of her - NOW!" yells McTurd-one to a reluctant Gillard.

#3 Crossin underperforming and Jooliar's best mate wants a go at the gold plated pension - OK, we can turn this to our advantage says the puppeteer. Chuck out the old one - she'll cause a bit of a fuss but not too much - and don't go anywhere near the branches 'cos they'll not do what we say.

You do really wonder who exactly it is that is supposed to be governing at the moment.

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Feb 2013 05:29

The last thing Thomson or Slipper need is a pair; that's what got them both into such a mess in the first place. :}:E

If I were Gillard I'd be taking their existing pairs away...:uhoh:

Andu 2nd Feb 2013 06:39

I think it would be safe to say there's one person who will be utterly ecstatic over the events of today, and that would Chris Evans, who was able to rid himself of the poison chalice of the Immigration portfolio.

I can't believe that Eileen cleared her comment with her media handlers that both Evans and Roxon has told her 12 months ago that they wanted out. That would have been all of six weeks after Roxon had taken over as AG. Even for Gillard, who has set the bar very, very high in the barefaced lies department, that particular porky was a major, major, industrial scale piggery.

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 07:59

The strange case of Julia Gillard.

Even allowing for conservative dislike of a Labor PM, Gillard really stirs people up. It's as if she's a cuckoo in the nest.

I wonder if she's always stirred up and polarised people like this? It seems to me that she leaves a trail of angry people wherever she goes, yet she managed to get herself to the top of the tree in an at least notionally sane country.

It's a mystery to me. Once this is all over, I wonder what she'll do, provided she's not in gaol.

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 08:06

I don't think she can help lying, Andu. She seems not to have any sort of ethical barrier about lying. It's as if lying were just another style of promoting your argument, or yourself. She seems among us but not of us. I don't mean she's Welsh, but she seems different. What Roxoff calls Gillard's 'titanium' toughness could just be a lack of feeling in some area. I'd love to see an accurate psychological profile of this unusual woman.

parabellum 2nd Feb 2013 08:11

she managed to get herself to the top of the tree in an at least
notionally sane country.

She slept with a lot of the helpful ones!

SOPS 2nd Feb 2013 08:16

And appears to have left a lot of wreckage along the way.

sisemen 2nd Feb 2013 08:51

The evidence would seem to indicate that, at least since she started uni, she has developed an underhanded persona where lying, conniving, serial shagging with other women's husbands and goodness knows what else seem to be the norm.

While she seems happy enough doing all that stuff deep down she has a conscience. She knows that she has done wrong and has done a lot of things which are quite shameful.

While her parents and relatives were/are quite proud of her for making PM, under the glare of public examination all this stuff which she had probably kept from her family has been coming out.

Alan Jones was probably right on the money when he said that her father had "died of shame". This obviously triggered a violent conscience reaction because she probably knew that her parents were getting some very uncomfortable messages about their daughter which they obviously quizzed her on and probably passed unfavourable comment.

So, Jonesy touched on a very raw nerve indeed.

Everything in life eventually catches up with you and Eileen is no exception - and it's coming in spades.

7x7 2nd Feb 2013 09:01

For political junkies, there are going to be some REALLY interesting books written over the next few years about these days, some by the main and not so main players. Not to say they'll be accurate. Some will be self-serving in the extreme, but some will reveal some really unpalatable truths about some of the main players, I suspect about Julia Gillard (and Kevin Rudd) in particular.

If Rudd writes a book, I can only hope he makes it an electronic edition, for I don't believe one single tree should fall to publish the absolute self-serving crap it will contain. Gillard? Would she dare - or deign to do so?

What will become of her after September? Hopefully, something a long way from Australia, and hopefully, apart from her undeserved fully-indexed pension, something that does not involve the long-suffering taxpayer subsidising her sorry existence. Christopher Skase's old pad in Spain is probably available. That would be apt in the extreme, in oh, so may ways.

Here's a pretty safe prediction: a by-election in the seat of Lalor about six weeks after the general election. Oh, and the Labor candidate? An ex-union official or a former Labor staffer.

Fliegenmong 2nd Feb 2013 09:43

I don't think she can help lying, Andu. She seems not to have any sort of ethical barrier about lying. It's as if lying were just another style of promoting your argument, or yourself. She seems among us but not of us.

And of Tony RJM? A confessed 'Non Gospel truth', and former member of a 'Non Core' promise party????

I think you'll find they're called politicians......they exist in both camps......and the level of trustworthiness is the same....nil.

Take just this week for example here in Queensland, all we hear is about how broke the state is, how awful the state of the states balance sheet is (We never see figures mind you, just get told)...and in the next breathe propose to spend billions in flood proofing a state!!! So what is it this week broke or not?

Flood proof a state!! FFS How be that for a lie!!

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Feb 2013 09:50

I reckon the Caucus has bounced Roxon.

Fliegenmong 2nd Feb 2013 10:08

Your neighbours demanded she leave, after having to listen to you screech at her!! :}

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Feb 2013 10:27

Lol. :cool:Too true, I'm not sorry.
I still think the proposed anti free speech laws had gotten too embarrassing. Realistically they can't dump Gillard (apart from anything else no-one in their right mind would take the job) but they can cut her allies.

A good AG was sidelined to make way for Roxon, and for what? A proposed law that even the Singaporeans would think is a bit hard core? A law that would impact on their own people as much (or more) than The Australian Tory Daily? The whole thing has been desperately embarrassing. Crossin's not the only member who doesn't 'own' her seat. :hmm:

I don't think there's any coincidence in the various Rudd supporters being promoted. It's not that Rudd's back (far from it, despite the toy chainsaw :rolleyes:) but more that Gillard's gone. They might be stuck with her, but her friends are now very expendable.

SOPS 2nd Feb 2013 10:54

So the question has to be asked, which faction is actually in charge? Or is ther some sort of silent war under way?

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Feb 2013 11:21

Who knows? :confused:
The problem with being 'in charge' is that it conveys a level of responsibility. That includes the responsibility of accepting blame when it all goes horribly wrong :uhoh:.

Far easier to sit out the debacle on the sidelines, wring your hands and say sagely 'oh well, we didn't agree with it.'

That leaves you in a position to pick up the pieces and claim the Nurenburg Defence after the dust has settled.

IMO there has been too much Nurenburg and too little responsibility. The party have been happy to see Gillard take the knocks when in truth whatever she's done must have been endorsed by the Caucus. Otherwise she wouldn't have done it, right? :hmm
If she has, then the Caucus has no power and the 'Captain's Choice' gag isn't really a gag. If that's the case then every last thing the Labor Party stood for is now moot, and we may as well pack up our banners and go home. :(

If there is one true thing the Labor Party is supposed to do, it is to make decisions by consensus.

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 11:51

As Martin Sheen replies in Apocalypse Now (how apt...) after failing to find his contact at the futile bridge-building effort far up the Mekong:

'Did ya find him? Did ya find the guy in charge?'

'There's no-one in charge here.'

Gillard's 'administration' appears to be a shambles. For example, she knifed Senator Crossin (they say it gets easier) to install Nova Peris as a Senate candidate.

If, as Gillard says, Senator Evans advised her a year ago that he wanted out in a year's time, why not wait for that casual vacancy to insert her token Aboriginal senator? Why knife Crossin?

'Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.'

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 11:54

Fliegs, however dodgy Abbott has been, you have to admit that Gillard beats him by a mile in that area.

Fliegenmong 2nd Feb 2013 11:56

Good Point RJM!.....Have been lolling around with Mrs Fliegs all day so not up on the latest...good point

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 12:13

Mmm. I reckon what will do Julia in is not her policies, most of which on paper are pretty good Labor fare and supported by most regular Labor supporters, but lack of trust and respect for her, which now seems to be spreading through the Labor constituency as well.

For that reason, I think she may not last to the election. Some young hopeful could take the job, losing the election but hoping to hang on for even a couple of terms in opposition in order to lead the party to victory as a seasoned helmsman in 2020. A career politician like Mark Butler (or someone similar) is the sort of youngish relative cleanskin who could take the gamble. I don't think Labor would contemplate another female leader just now, but perhaps a deputy...

Just for the record - I assume Flieg's 'good point' refers to Gillard and the Senate vacancy, not to my equally valid point about Gillard out-lying Abbott.

I hope you were 'lolling about' somewhere dry, Fliegenmong!

sisemen 2nd Feb 2013 12:37

I reckon the Caucus has bounced Roxon.
Roxon clearly upset at the presser and is leaving to "spend more time with her family" - the oldest excuse in the book.

Gillard also upset as one of her friends is leaving.

See post 4282 - this was an imposed decision and my bet is McTurd-one, not the caucus (although they may have something to do with it).

The whole edifice is imploding as we watch.

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 12:43

'edifice' sounds a bit dignified... :}

Clare Prop 2nd Feb 2013 12:51

Crocodile tears.

Toxin showed how evil she was with her proposed "badly drafted" laws. Pure, pure evil. She can't now suddenly pretend she has a soul. She's probably just really pi$$ed off she can't brag to her fabian friends how she finally made 1984 come true in Australia. Though, she hasn't gone yet and could still do a hell of a lot of damage.

Maybe she can go and work for CASA drafting laws badly, she'd fit right in there.

Gillard? Maybe there is some kind of onion extract in those glasses she can spray in her eyes to get the crocodile tears flowing. :{

And for Mr Thomson, the being allowed to avoid a court date because you have to do your "duty" in parliament only applies to civil cases, apparently. If he had a criminal lawyer instead of the one he has perhaps he might know that.

Fliegenmong 2nd Feb 2013 13:01

If, as Gillard says, Senator Evans advised her a year ago that he wanted out in a year's time, why not wait for that casual vacancy to insert her token Aboriginal senator? Why knife Crossin?

Was my good point reference RJM :)

I/we were lolling about, without external reference to anything at all! no 'puter, phones TV anything...and yes thanks it was dry....well, it was to start with anyway :E Thereafter was one of the most fun Saturday mornings in a long time ;)

sisemen 2nd Feb 2013 13:03

I blame it all on that foam blowing in from Burleigh Heads :E

Fliegenmong 2nd Feb 2013 13:17

Well it was something blowing from a head sisey.....but we'll leave it at that shall we

RJM 2nd Feb 2013 20:19

Now there's a puzzle...

500N 2nd Feb 2013 20:47

This has to be the weirdest start to an election campaign ever.

- Election date announced.
- Pollie arrested and charged
- 2 senior pollies resign

All within a week !!!

What else is going to happen ?

Andu 2nd Feb 2013 21:43

Watch this space, 500N. Some out there in the blogosphere are predicting four more Labor parliamentarians will soon follow.

The Libs have apparently offered Craig Thomson, a so-called independent, a pairing. How can that work? Are the Libs tacitly telling the electorate that Thomson is, in fact, still a member of the governing party?

sisemen 3rd Feb 2013 02:58

Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne says the federal government is unravelling like Hitler's government in the movie Downfall.
Pyne compares Labor to Hitler's Downfall - The West Australian

C'mon....somebody must have something appropriate :E

Andu 3rd Feb 2013 05:00

Yes, I've seen elsewhere a comment that we may see Adolf (Eileen) marry Eva (Tim) in the Fuehrer Bunker (Boganville a.k.a. The Lodge) just as the Russians (an angry electorate) close in and storm the bunker (vote).

It would save us taxpayers all an awful lot of money in both pensions and legal fees should our very own Adolf decide to follow their very own Adolph's lead in what he did immediately after he married Eva. For those who think that last comment is in bad taste, I really don't think, judging by her actions before and since entering public life, that the lady involved would be able to define bad taste if it slapped in her face, new glasses and all.

Fliegenmong 3rd Feb 2013 07:31

Nope...same as referring to howard as Kim-Il-howard....regrettably unlike Kim Il, howard is still alive.....:(

RJM 3rd Feb 2013 07:34

Andu, comments like that could get you bumped off the list for Julia's 'after party'. :rolleyes:

sisemen 3rd Feb 2013 08:16

What amuses me is the confected outrage by the new AG (can't remember his name and don't want to - he's not going to be there long). The self same man that referred to Abbott's campaign against the carbon tax as "Nazi propaganda".

Hypocrites and shysters.

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