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Saltie 18th Jan 2013 21:25

I found this even more interesting.

Of course, as Croozin says above, it'll never happen here.

Fubaar 19th Jan 2013 08:57

As predicted by others here, Michael Smith now seems to have softened somewhat on his hints of something big about to be revealed in regard to the AWU business.

7x7 19th Jan 2013 21:49

The ABC's John Doyle recently interviewed the Crime Minister, and, if the comments about that interview online are anything to go by, 'soft' would be an overstatement in the way he handled the interview. I haven't listened to it myself. (Like many, I can't endure the woman's voice), but if there is anyone out there with a masochistic streak, here it is.

PM Julia Gillard with John Doyle on RN Summer Breakfast - YouTube

There are some clever people out there in bl*gland. Following is one of the many comments on the Tim Blair site.

(from the transcriptÖ or notÖ there was a revving car engine during some of it and bits were a little tricky to transcribeÖ )

-Your negotiating skills could be very useful for President Obama. Is there any advice you could give him?

- Well John that is an excellent question and I am glad you asked. I think Obama needs to realise that deep down Tony Abbott is having a negative effect on the US economy and clearly hates everyone, and, if I can just add a girlish giggle here please John, it helps to think of the people that are close to you as not actually friends, but merely people who may be useful in the future to sacrifice for your own self protection. I have now fully answered that question thank you John and that matter is now closed.

MudCrab of Adelaide (Reply)

sisemen 20th Jan 2013 08:55

John Doyle? The man who is so far up Tim Flannery's arse that he can see Greg Combet's boots? Any surprise it was a 'soft' interview?

Croozin 21st Jan 2013 04:46

'Missing' asylum boat from Indonesia found near Christmas Island
BY: GEMMA JONES From: News Limited Network January 21, 2013 3:10PM
A BOAT carrying asylum seekers which was feared to be missing has been intercepted off Christmas Island this afternoon.

Afghan Hazaras in Australia had raised concerns a boat had vanished in poor weather between Indonesia and Australia.

The vessel was intercepted by Australian authorities near Christmas Island where passengers will be taken for initial health, security and identity checks.

Passengers on the vessel had endured rough monsoonal weather after leaving Indonesia days ago.
4th boat for the year, (in the middle of the monsoon season), almost taking the total for January to Wayne Swan's budgeted monthly total - and in clear contradiction of Jason Clare's assertion that there have been no illegal boat arrivals this year. Is the 'get out' word "illegal", as Labor doesn't consider the country shoppers to be illegal arrivals?

RJM 21st Jan 2013 05:00

Gillard trying to paint herself as a normal female with normal female skills as one might acquire in a normal upbringing:

- Christmas with the family

- cooking the Christmas feast

- knitting! What - bedsocks for Tim on his chilly couch?

And plugs for the environment, the NDIS and a whack for Abbott over the carbon tax...

I don't like Gillardspeak so I stopped listening when she said 'jobs have kept growing'.

I tried again and nearly gave up when Doyle started on 'why are you such a fantastic negotiator?'

Akin to 'Prime Minister. to what do you attribute your magnificence?'

What a suck job.

Soon enough, Gillard got into the Opposition: 'negative blitzkreig', negativity etc... blaming them for the drop in parliamentary standards.

The election will be run on family and education.... education is in the future, 'family' is warm and fuzzy, and both are hard to attack.

She's certainly not standing on her record.


MTOW 22nd Jan 2013 01:03

National Affairs
Julia Gillard 'picks' Nova Peris for Senate seat

by: Ben Packham
From:The Australian
January 22, 201312:16PM

INDIGENOUS Australian and Olympian Nova Peris will stand for Labor preselection for a Senate seat in the Northern Territory ahead of the next election.

Julia Gillard said Ms Peris would stand for preselection in the seat currently held by Senator Trish Crossin.
I don't know the good Ms Perris' sexual orientation, but if she was to favour the same sex persuasion, she'd tick all the boxes for modern day NuLabor political success, wouldn't she?

You'd think that Labor would have learned after the result of the Midnight Oil experiment.

Good luck to you Ms Perris, but I fear you're being sorely misused.

gupta 22nd Jan 2013 01:36

Trish Crossin isn't very amused

CoodaShooda 22nd Jan 2013 04:19

Just picked up on this and immediately wondered whether the CLP might not pick up both Senate seats.

But then thought about the popularity (or lack thereof) of the incumbent CLP government and realised it was unlikely.

Ms Peris is not as popular here as the media and the PM would have you think.

Buster Hyman 22nd Jan 2013 04:25

A bogan from the South telling the Territorians what's good for them, all for an obvious slice of tokenism...what could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

CoodaShooda 22nd Jan 2013 04:47

I didn't even realise she still lived here.

But I guess if not having party membership is not an issue, nor is residency.

Pity the CLP is so unpopular - otherwise labor would have been in real danger of losing a safe Senate seat.

Buster Hyman 22nd Jan 2013 07:54

Still, not being a Party member has its upside...no faction issues. :rolleyes:

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Jan 2013 08:14

I'd have thought that having the Gillard Stamp of Approval would be like selling a diet program that has the Matt Preston Stamp of Approval, but that's just me...:ooh:

Perris just appeared on The Project and I thought she seemed very unsure of herself. Having the incumbent publicly sledging the decision and crying foul all over the press can't be helpful; what happened to Labor solidarity? I guess Crossin is a Rudd supporter...:}

Andu 22nd Jan 2013 09:13

I guess Crossin is a Rudd supporter.
That's why she's been shafted, Worrals. Revenge is a cup best sipped cold is a phrase that comes to mind.

I'll be interested to see how (or more to the point, if) the MSM handles this. Andrew Bolt and Steve Price on 2GB tonight - not the MSM, I'll accept - were pretty outspoken about it.

Labor are going to have to appoint a miracle worker media coach for poor Ms Peris to get that rabbit caught in the spotlight look off her face and to teach her how to speak on camera. To date, she reminds myself uncomfortably of myself on camera, which is not a look any aspiring politician would ever want to show to the voting public.

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Jan 2013 09:46

Revenge is also best served subtly :suspect:.

This was not subtle. Even people living in small mine shafts near Sapphire could spot the shafting, particularly when the shaftee is shouting it from the rooftops. Both Ten and Seven were quick to point out that Crossin had backed Rudd, and both ran her speech. I don't think those two networks are throwing the government any favours with this one. The ABC will, but who cares? They're the ABC. :bored:

I thought Perris lacked passion on The Project interview. She seemed unsure of why she was standing for the Senate, except because 'she was asked.' Of course she may have a huge number of reasons why she wants to stand, but she didn't manage to articulate them.

It's like the standard job interview question 'why do you want to work here'?You expect the applicant to have two or three well rehearsed reasons that sound plausible. 'Why have you decided to run for the Senate' was hardly left-of-field, but she gave the impression that she hadn't really considered the question before.

I don't expect a new candidate to be the world's best press performer (and I think we're all sick of trite, practised soundbites) but while being raw and/or nervous is not a problem, I'd expect a new candidate for the Senate to be able to clearly say in a determined manner why they are standing, even if they stumble a bit and wear the Wrong Shoes :}. She didn't do that, and the government now have yet another wronged, disgruntled Labor pollie complaining at the top of her voice.

I don't think they need that.

CoodaShooda 22nd Jan 2013 11:27

Not just Crossin. Local labor (other than our Leader of the Opposition) seems to have gone ballistic.

One caller to ABC radio claimed to have been a 'labor activist' for 37 years and she was disgusted by the PM's action. Sounds tame when written down but visualise it said by a mature, well spoken lady who was literally in tears of anger, disappointment, rage. You name it, it was there.

I have little time for Ms Perris but I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up like Mal Maninga. Seems she will be getting little electioneering support from the local pardy, the way the commentary is going. But, as it's the Senate, she only needs her name on the ballot paper.

Clare Prop 22nd Jan 2013 12:04

Some great comments here Nova for politics - and Trish isn't happy | News | NT News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au

but this one

Who next jules????.....Warney could do with some work ........

has me spraying coffee all over the keyboard :D :D

Flying Binghi 22nd Jan 2013 12:15

.....Warney could do with some work ........
Haffta drag him away from the poker table first..:)


Clare Prop 22nd Jan 2013 12:27

With La Hurley by his side to handle the media what could possibly go wrong?

sisemen 22nd Jan 2013 12:39

Even allowing for "first night nerves" Peris looked less like a politician than a kindy teacher.

Gillard has surely opened up a nasty bag of tricks that she doesn't need. There will be some blood letting - and in public too. And just before an election :ooh:

I'll bet McTernan is beside himself right now.

In the West, just before the last State election in 2008 the then Labor leader, Alan Carpenter, did exactly the same thing. He got bounced big time in an election that he "couldn't lose". It was mainly put down to his arrogance - particularly with regard to parachuting in candidates of his own choosing.

Soooo.......it looks like, yet again, Gillard has thrown in the wild card and made yet another off the cuff decision that is going to blow up in her face. Luvverly :ok:

It remains to be seen whether the rest of the party rounds on her.

Croozin 22nd Jan 2013 21:01

Larry Pickering might be said to be "not happy, Jan"
Dear Ms Gillard,
Let me explain something to you, and I know you will read this. I have been studying politicians since before you were born. I knew great and poor Prime Ministers personally, from Menzies to Howard.

I knew their traits, their foibles, their strengths and hidden weaknesses. But each nurtured a common, unbroken thread; they all honoured their high Office.

Each was respected, if not liked. Each was Australian and decent in essence.

You, Ms Gillard, are different. You will never legitimately stand beside those who have gone before you. If you worked at my corner store, if you hadnít aspired to be something youíre so obviously not, I might quite like you.

I know you wonít believe this Ms Gillard, but I wanted nothing more than to be proud of Australiaís first woman Prime Minister. You have destroyed that.

You simply donít get it, do you Ms Gillard ? This is not about policy or Left or Right... itís not about sexism, misogyny or any other vile adjective you use. Itís about YOU !

You are emboldened by the fake infatuation of the minority who need you. You are deaf to the majority who donít want you.

When you were nine years old Ms Gillard we had another controversial Prime Minister called John Gorton. I recall like yesterday, a Party room meeting on March 10, 1971. A motion of no-confidence in Gorton's leadership was tied precariously at 33-all. Realising his Partyís predicament he immediately gave his casting vote against himself, effectively removing himself from Office.

He realised the marginal satisfaction with his role as Prime Minister was potentially caustic and effectively handed the Prime Ministership to my good friend at the time, Bill McMahon. He then voluntarily suffered the ignominy of accepting the position of Deputy PM to Bill.

That was the stuff of John Gorton. And thatís difference between a decent person and you, Ms Gillard. You would not have done that.

Donít try to pretend you possess that high tier of honour. You simply donít. I happen to know you donít because your selfish ideological agenda are far more important to you than the station of your Office.

Your barbs of misogyny completely miss me, Ms Gillard. I happen to love women and I always will. You see Ms Gillard, it is not at all about gender nor any other of your nasty labels and no, I donít give a damn if you are a crook.

But I do give a damn if you are a crook AND my Prime Minister.

- Larry Pickering. 9/12/12.

Croozin 22nd Jan 2013 21:03

How "Aboriginal" is Nova Peris?

She looks predominately Indian to me.

FullOppositeRudder 22nd Jan 2013 22:39

How to start the day on a positive note.
Theraputic advice offered by a friend this morning:

1. Open a new file in your computer.
2. Name it "Julia Gillard".
3.. Send it to the Recycle Bin.
4. Empty the Recycle Bin.
5. Your PC will ask you, "Do you really want to get rid of Julia Gillard?"
6. Firmly Click "Yes."
7. Feel better already? Good!

Tomorrow we'll do Wayne Swan.


owen meaney 22nd Jan 2013 22:55

She looks predominately Indian to me.
Filipino mixed.
Peris family shifted from Kahlin Camp at Stuart Park to the new suburb of Rapid creek in early sixties.

Croozin 22nd Jan 2013 23:08

I read elsewhere (after posting my comment above) that she has Sri Lankan forebears. Speaking as someone who has lived for 20 years in a country with an 80% Indian/Sri Lankan population, I can say she looks very much like any middle aged, middle class Sri Lankan or Indian lady you'd see on the streets, and NOT at all like an Australian Aborigine.

"Mixed race" might be a more accurate description of Ms Peris.

Andu 22nd Jan 2013 23:58

Indonesian boat crew youths to sue over prison

by: Peter Alford, Jakarta correspondent
From: The Australian
January 23, 2013 12:00AM

A GROUP of Australian lawyers is preparing to sue the federal government on behalf of as many as 48 Indonesian youths who were held in adult prisons after being arrested for crewing asylum boats.

The action has the support of Indonesia's human rights commission, Komnas HAM, the child protection commission and House of Representatives commission responsible for foreign affairs and defence. The planned civil action will seek compensation, so far unspecified, and a formal apology from the Australian government to the 48 youngsters. They were identified by an Australian Human Rights Commission report last July as having been aged under 18 yet charged and then held in adult prisons for an average of more than six months before being released without conviction.
"A GROUP of Australian lawyers". Translation: a group of Australian lawyers who will be representing these Indonesian "youngsters" and claiming hefty fees under legal aid provisions from the Australian Government - a.k.a. the taxpayer.

The very same taxpayer who will be forking out the compensation (should that be "compenshayshun"?) to these people who are transporting the country-shoppers to Australia?

We really are being taken for Grade One suckers by all and sundry, aren't we? And here's a prediction: I'll bet nothing much changes under an Abbott government if we ever see one.

Clare Prop 23rd Jan 2013 00:51

Any sympathy for Crossin evaporated when I read that she is a very high profile member and founder of the alleged slush fund, EMILY's list. :mad:

However it is a bold move on Gillard's part to boot someone who is co-convenor of an organisation that indulges in tokenism over competency for a non-member token. Talk about biting the hand that feeds!

Is booting a member of EMILY's list a step too far? Will the other EMILY tokens still be standing next to her doing the usual noddys, whilst sharpening knives of thier own?

It's a pity that Nova will now be remembered for this rather than her other achievements.

sisemen 23rd Jan 2013 02:07

The comments section in the NT News (Nova for politics - and Trish isn't happy | News | NT News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au) are very illuminating.

There appears to be one - yes, one - comment in support of the dullard's 'captain's choice'.

If Peris has any intelligence she ought to be saying, "Er, I've been having a think and I don't believe that I ought to......."

MTOW 23rd Jan 2013 02:24

Not politics for once. Here's the uncensored version of the Dick Smith ad. that the TV networks won't touch. I can't say I blame them. Boganseque, if there is such a word, would be a pretty good description.

Dick Smith Foods Australia Day Ad - UNCENSORED - YouTube

CoodaShooda 23rd Jan 2013 02:46

Our ABC Brekkie announcer expressed her view this morning shortly after taking a call from a Sydney-based friend of Nova's who "just happened" to ring in declare his support for her.

She told listeners that the PM's office had just contacted her, the PM was not available to talk to her but they wanted her to take calls from a number of 'friends of Nova'.

She then commented that "that's the way it's done" but, funnily enough, failed to broadcast any further calls. :E

MTOW 23rd Jan 2013 02:58

You'd have to hope, for her own sake, that Nova Peris does a Mal Maninga. Lunchtime news reports that Trish Crossin is not going quietly, as I suppose might be expected of a founding member of Emily's List.

Two things I find myself wondering about:

(1) Why wouldn't Gillard's handlers have done whatever it takes to close the deal with Crossin (ambassadorship etc) before the announcement? and

(2) Why in the world didn't they delay the announcement for the five minutes it would have taken to pay the $5.00 to make Nova Peris a paid up member of the ALP?

Especially point (2) makes me think that the East Timor (non)deal, the Malaysian (non)Solution, the Manus Island (non)Agreement, the Mining Resourses (collect no)Tax (and many, many more) show a rather disturbing 'fire from the hip without taking one moment to think about it' trend on the part of our PM.

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Jan 2013 04:42

I wondered the same thing, MTOW. Like many things this government have done, it seems really slipshod and poorly thought out. I reckon the average student union could do better...:hmm:

She then commented that "that's the way it's done" but, funnily enough, failed to broadcast any further calls.
I guess that answers Andu's question re the media; they're not buying it. If even the ABC are openly sceptical then it's a safe bet that practically every other journo in the country (barring a few sycophants and agents of influence) is laughing their arses off. :E

How many people in Sydney regularly listen to ABC Darwin anyway? Not to mention being keen enough to factor in the time difference so they can ring up and join in the discussion? :confused:

If that's the best they can do when it comes to media manipulation then it should be an hilarious election campaign.

CoodaShooda 23rd Jan 2013 05:45

There's already a campaign running to encourage Territorians to tick the CLP box above the line come the election.

Strangely enough it's being run by labor pardy members.

(I typed pardy and my phone tried to correct it to parody.
Definitely predictive text.)

sisemen 23rd Jan 2013 06:36

Pardy or parody - both work :ok:

Clare Prop 23rd Jan 2013 09:16

I had to turn the volume down on the video where Gillard was speaking. NP was cringeworthy, why the rush to get her on the telly before having any effective media training? (I ran really fast today pant pant doesn't count) Ah yes silly me, Australia Day.

But just as sickening as JG's mangling of the English language is the way she kind of pats and paws at people in such a patronising, clawing way. I would do her for assault if she ever laid a finger on me. :yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk:

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Jan 2013 10:12

Strangely enough it's being run by labor pardy members.
Like the blokes in CFMEU shirts who were handing out Katter's How To Vote cards in Central Queensland at the last state election. When the run's on the run's on, and we all know how Qld panned out...:uhoh:

The whole thing sucks. Referring to Peris as a 'politician' before she's even pre-selected (let alone elected) sucks. Parachuting in a Senate candidate who doesn't appear to live in the NT (is that correct) when there are a whole bunch of deserving residents sucks. The PM referring to a 'captain's choice' (is the Australian Senate a :mad:ng cricket team?) sucks. Last time I looked the ALP was supposed to be governed by consensus. Of course we all know that doesn't always happen, but the PM is not a frigging president. Of course the Caucus let her get away with this crap, so don't worry boys and girls; we'll remember that. One for all and all for one...:ooh::}

P.S. MTOW, just watched the Dick Smith ad and...wow :eek:. He's like Clive. When dudes have more money than they know what to do with, you get some interesting outcomes.

Andu 23rd Jan 2013 10:13

My long-suffering wife had to endure me yet again shouting at the television as Eileen warned us of the (as usual, totally unfunded) "securidee" measures she was taking on our behalf.

Message to John McTernan: your latest effort to make the unspeakable Eileen appear Presidental fell totally flat with this voter. You might get a tiny bit of traction with me if you could get the woman to pronounce the 't' as a 't' and not a bloody 'd' whenever it appears mid word. Grrrr!!!

Worrals in the wilds 23rd Jan 2013 10:33

McTernan's a Pom (okay a Scot, before I get flamed :eek:) and knows jackshit about what Aussies want to hear. They would have been better off falling back to the standard ALP think tank; the unions and Blokes/Ladies At The Pub. Of course the problem with both those think tanks is that they say stuff the current heirarchy don't want to hear. Bogan stuff that doesn't really fit in with the curent lefto trendo Party line. Also, then they'd have to actually attend a few union meetings and go to the pub, where people might have a crack at them. How Rude! Better off to stay cloistered, surrounded by the dwindling supply of true believers telling them how awesome they really are. :rolleyes:

Peter Beattie's last Courier Mail column summed it up; the electorate got it wrong. Really, the future Qld ALP leader should not be Anastacia P (who a lot of people like), but Dick, a bloke who got flogged by his electorate, ably backed up by the equally flogged Kate Jones.

The electoral bloodbath wasn't their fault, it was all to do with Factors Beyond Their Control. Instead of supporting the magnificent seven who made it through the last electoral bloodbath, he took the opportunity to slag and backstab them for all it was worth while touting Yesterday's Heroes. I didn't think anything could make the current Qld LNP government look good until I read that. All from a bloke who now lives in North Carolina and looks scarier than Warnie. :oh:

With friends like these...

Croozin 23rd Jan 2013 10:55

Michael Smith is upping the ante on his bl*g site.

In reply to Peter Fisher at 8.57PM - I am told that the bulk of the caucus discussion about Ms Gillard is along these lines - "we no longer doubt her guilt, nor that she will be charged in due course, the question now is this - is she a sufficiently accomplished charlatan to continue to stare down the media and the opposition until the election".

Ms Gillard knows that she can count on the uncritical support of her cheer leaders in the Press Gallery. She knows that complexity is her friend, and that far too many "journalists" simply don't read, research and comprehend. They seek out 'expert" views and repeat them. The truth in this matter lies in the source documents, the statements of witnesses and the inconsistencies in the admissions made by the offenders.

At some point the penny will drop for the caucus that the investigation could lead to charges.

Posted by: Michael Smith | Wednesday, 23 January 2013 at 09:20 PM

SOPS 23rd Jan 2013 13:14

I could be wrong, (I hope Im not), I get the feeling things are startng to "warm" up a bit for our PM and her pardy.

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